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Topi
But the point here is that Mick and Keith still met 60 years ago, right?[/quote
Not really. They reunited, after knowing each other since they were like 5 years old. They just hadn't seen each other in a while.
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Lady Jayne
... Frankly, I have always thought Andrew Loog Oldham was more important to the development of the Stones than Brian. (running for shelter...)
I don't think you're wrong.
Brian, of course, brought exquisite musicianship to the band ...
...but exquisite musicianship was not what brought success to aspiring young "beat groups" in those early 1960s.
Good fortune and a knack for selling an image were far more important
[With hard graft and dedication taken as givens ]
But at the same time, Brian was very important to them image-wise in the early days.
But I guess in Mick and Keith's book Brian and Andrew pretty much belong to the same category in their early history: they first needed them but once they any longer did not, they got rid of them. Both played a big role in helping Mick and Keith becoming themselves. And with that, the Stones to become what ever they are.
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CaptainCorella
It's shocking that here, of all places, the myth of Jagger/Richards setting up the Rolling Stones is allowed to carry on.
Brian Jones founded the group.
For non-native-english speakers the word "foundation" means "the action of establishing an institution or organization"... and that's what Brian did.
That is utterly and unequivocally the case.
Equally, had Mick & Keith not joined the band, then I'm equally sure that their success, domination and longevity would not have happened, and they can rightly be credited with how GREAT the band has become.
But the foundation was Brian's.
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CaptainCorella
It's shocking that here, of all places, the myth of Jagger/Richards setting up the Rolling Stones is allowed to carry on.
Brian Jones founded the group.
For non-native-english speakers the word "foundation" means "the action of establishing an institution or organization"... and that's what Brian did.
That is utterly and unequivocally the case.
Equally, had Mick & Keith not joined the band, then I'm equally sure that their success, domination and longevity would not have happened, and they can rightly be credited with how GREAT the band has become.
But the foundation was Brian's.
No, Brian did not form the group.
He hired Ian Stewart.
Then he met Keith & Mick, who had their own group going, through Alexis Korner and together they formed the group which Brian rightly named The Rollin’ Stones.
A little investigation on the history would be nice, instead of rolling along with that old myth spun by Bill Wyman, who wasn’t even there when it happend.
Here it is, black on white, in Brian’s own words from April 1963:
“ The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R & B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the “Stones.”
Link to the letter:
[www.bonhams.com]
So there. Could we now close the book on that old myth?
Brian did NOT form the group.
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CaptainCorella
It's shocking that here, of all places, the myth of Jagger/Richards setting up the Rolling Stones is allowed to carry on.
Brian Jones founded the group.
For non-native-english speakers the word "foundation" means "the action of establishing an institution or organization"... and that's what Brian did.
That is utterly and unequivocally the case.
Equally, had Mick & Keith not joined the band, then I'm equally sure that their success, domination and longevity would not have happened, and they can rightly be credited with how GREAT the band has become.
But the foundation was Brian's.
No, Brian did not form the group.
He hired Ian Stewart.
Then he met Keith & Mick, who had their own group going, through Alexis Korner and together they formed the group which Brian rightly named The Rollin’ Stones.
A little investigation on the history would be nice, instead of rolling along with that old myth spun by Bill Wyman, who wasn’t even there when it happend.
Here it is, black on white, in Brian’s own words from April 1963:
“ The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R & B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the “Stones.”
Link to the letter:
[www.bonhams.com]
So there. Could we now close the book on that old myth?
Brian did NOT form the group.
Thanks for posting this and the link to the letter. I have never seen it before. Fascinating.
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CaptainCorella
It's shocking that here, of all places, the myth of Jagger/Richards setting up the Rolling Stones is allowed to carry on.
Brian Jones founded the group.
For non-native-english speakers the word "foundation" means "the action of establishing an institution or organization"... and that's what Brian did.
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That is utterly and unequivocally the case.
Equally, had Mick & Keith not joined the band, then I'm equally sure that their success, domination and longevity would not have happened, and they can rightly be credited with how GREAT the band has become.
But the foundation was Brian's.
No, Brian did not form the group.
He hired Ian Stewart.
Then he met Keith & Mick, who had their own group going, through Alexis Korner and together they formed the group which Brian rightly named The Rollin’ Stones.
A little investigation on the history would be nice, instead of rolling along with that old myth spun by Bill Wyman, who wasn’t even there when it happend.
Here it is, black on white, in Brian’s own words from April 1963:
“ The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R & B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the “Stones.”
Link to the letter:
[www.bonhams.com]
So there. Could we now close the book on that old myth?
Brian did NOT form the group.
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DandelionPowderman
Keywords here are forming and founding.
Brian founded what became the Stones. However, Mick and Keith were essential in forming the Stones.
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SomeTorontoGirl
Damn. I was hoping this thread would celebrate the Stones, what they have done and have meant to us, rather than rehashing the wording of the plaque.
I first heard Around And Around and was dancing in my little sock feet before I was 5, and it felt so wild and joyful, but music wasn’t a big part of my life. Then I was dragged to see At The Max and had that same feeling of joy. Next came the SARS concert, where I was sitting so far back that the curvature of the earth made them impossible to see but that joy was there. Then came travelling to gigs. Then I found myself at the Shine A Light press conference in New York and ended up stuck with all 4 of them in a hallway for 5 minutes. Then I started meeting some of the most gloriously demented fans and seeing them again and again, sharing drinks and stories and a few drinks. My first Pit experience in Paris ruined me for any other seats. And 2 massive IORR Band gigs before shows in Amsterdam and London were excellent preludes to 2 Stones shows. Now … 2021 and 60 years later they are tight, joyful and still putting on some of their best shows (and yes, amid losses and illnesses, and both the best and worst of times). We are so lucky to still have this. And bless Brian, Bill, Charlie, Stu, Ronnie and Mick T, the chance meeting on that platform 60 years ago was the start for Mick and Keith and, eventually, they merged and morphed and grew into the Stones we love. To borrow shamelessly from with sssoul, there should be thanks and praises and confetti all over the damn place!
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Lady Jayne
I don't think the wording of the plaque has been changed. I've got a photo from 2018 when it remained the same. What do Dartford care about Brian Jones?
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CaptainCorella
What's the date of that sound clip? My recollection is that it's the old stuff. But the plaque is unchanged.
I guess I'm the person Mr Kite talks about who wrote to him!
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treaclefingers
I didn't know they had drone cameras in those days
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Cooltoplady
It’s probably been written but where were Mick and Keith going? And when was the next time they met? Weeks? Days?
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Cooltoplady
It’s probably been written but where were Mick and Keith going? And when was the next time they met? Weeks? Days?