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Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: BeastyBurdeny ()
Date: January 7, 2022 21:19

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Well, to defend Hairball: Some of Keith's intros were a bit tentative during that tour. And during the last gig Keith sat down on a couple of songs in order to get things right.
And on the last, super expensive ticket wise, gig they were down to 17 songs. 90 percent warhorses. It's not a crime to be critical thinking. Even on a fanboard.

Steve Jordan said they were super focused up until the L.A. shows due to the critics and reviews, and after that they didn't worry as much, ie they became sloppier and lazier.
Many of us watched and followed and read all the reviews, and have friends who were at some of those latter tour shows who felt they were clearly in a decline.
A few who were in attendance at the final "special" show were upset and practically felt betrayed at the short/standard/safe setlist, and the fact they spent good money, traveled from afar, etc.
But of course there are those who love every second of every minute of everything the Stones do on (and off) the stage, but not sure what type of reality they're living in.
That said, there should be room for all types of opinions including the good, the bad, and the ugly...imo.

From Dean Goodman, Hard Rock live, Fl. show:

"The good news: Fans now know they can safely ignore any home video release of Tuesday's depressingly truncated tour finale at the Hard Rock Casino.
They’ve heard it all a thousand times. The bad news: it was an expensive lesson for the 7,000 folks who forked out big bucks to act as extras in the Stones' latest heist.
But it's more than the cost. It's the sinking feeling that sets in after about five songs when you realize the Stones just don't care."


Thank you for your post and for referencing Dean Goodman's comments. Two of my dearest friends saw The Stones three times during the latter stages of the tour, including the final, hugely expensive, performance at The Hard Rock. Their verdict? They were better than expected given the circumstances but were 'nothing special'. And all talk about The Stones being better than ever was, in their opinion, not entirely accurate.

My own view is that Stones fans divide into two broad groups. Those who love everything the band does live. They relish the performance, the spectacle, and the familiarity of those big hits. Then there are those - and I am one - who would like to see some form of evolution. Some new music. Even cover versions. And an opportunity to, once again, enjoy The Stones as CREATORS rather than as greatest hits performers. One of my friends, who has been a fan all his life, dating back over 55 years, said 'Seeing them was too like listening to a Gold Station on the radio'

I am not dismissing or criticising anyone in this comment, just summarising what, for me, seems to be the main dividing line between the different types of fandom. And I am certainly NOT disrespecting anyone whose view differ from my own. But this is a fans forum. All kinds of views, comments, and counter-comments should be welcome.

With all due respect, isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to say you want to see them as 'creators' but to also be willing to accept another 'covers' album?

It's a fair point to want to see them creating new work, and I understand that putting out a covers album would be better than nothing, but I think the Stone's years as creators are long behind them. We were lucky to get Ghost Town and will be very lucky to get 1-3 more tracks before they call it quits (or are forced to do so by circumstance).

Going into the 2021 tour, I wanted to hear a deep cuts and wanted them to drop tracks like Miss You. Most people don't want this though. I met a group of rich folk from Detroit at the Vegas show. They go to about 4 shows each tour, always in the pit, and I asked them what songs they hope the band might play. The riffled off a list of greatest hits/warhorse songs. I was a little surprised. They asked which song I hoped they played from the vote songs, I said Moonlight Mile. They were stunned. Why not Ruby Tuesday? That's the obvious choice...

I still had fun and will have fun again if it's a meat and potatoes setlist next year. I'm just thankful they shuffle 3-4 songs each night. Most bands of their generation don't do that. They play 15 shows with the same songs every single night and no variation.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: January 7, 2022 21:42

There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: January 7, 2022 23:24

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24FPS
There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

playing Miss You is their service for fans who suffer from Weakness of the bladder…

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: GerardHennessy ()
Date: January 7, 2022 23:34

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GerardHennessy
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Hairball
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Stoneage
Well, to defend Hairball: Some of Keith's intros were a bit tentative during that tour. And during the last gig Keith sat down on a couple of songs in order to get things right.
And on the last, super expensive ticket wise, gig they were down to 17 songs. 90 percent warhorses. It's not a crime to be critical thinking. Even on a fanboard.

Steve Jordan said they were super focused up until the L.A. shows due to the critics and reviews, and after that they didn't worry as much, ie they became sloppier and lazier.
Many of us watched and followed and read all the reviews, and have friends who were at some of those latter tour shows who felt they were clearly in a decline.
A few who were in attendance at the final "special" show were upset and practically felt betrayed at the short/standard/safe setlist, and the fact they spent good money, traveled from afar, etc.
But of course there are those who love every second of every minute of everything the Stones do on (and off) the stage, but not sure what type of reality they're living in.
That said, there should be room for all types of opinions including the good, the bad, and the ugly...imo.

From Dean Goodman, Hard Rock live, Fl. show:

"The good news: Fans now know they can safely ignore any home video release of Tuesday's depressingly truncated tour finale at the Hard Rock Casino.
They’ve heard it all a thousand times. The bad news: it was an expensive lesson for the 7,000 folks who forked out big bucks to act as extras in the Stones' latest heist.
But it's more than the cost. It's the sinking feeling that sets in after about five songs when you realize the Stones just don't care."


Thank you for your post and for referencing Dean Goodman's comments. Two of my dearest friends saw The Stones three times during the latter stages of the tour, including the final, hugely expensive, performance at The Hard Rock. Their verdict? They were better than expected given the circumstances but were 'nothing special'. And all talk about The Stones being better than ever was, in their opinion, not entirely accurate.

My own view is that Stones fans divide into two broad groups. Those who love everything the band does live. They relish the performance, the spectacle, and the familiarity of those big hits. Then there are those - and I am one - who would like to see some form of evolution. Some new music. Even cover versions. And an opportunity to, once again, enjoy The Stones as CREATORS rather than as greatest hits performers. One of my friends, who has been a fan all his life, dating back over 55 years, said 'Seeing them was too like listening to a Gold Station on the radio'

I am not dismissing or criticising anyone in this comment, just summarising what, for me, seems to be the main dividing line between the different types of fandom. And I am certainly NOT disrespecting anyone whose view differ from my own. But this is a fans forum. All kinds of views, comments, and counter-comments should be welcome.

With all due respect, isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to say you want to see them as 'creators' but to also be willing to accept another 'covers' album?

It's a fair point to want to see them creating new work, and I understand that putting out a covers album would be better than nothing, but I think the Stone's years as creators are long behind them. We were lucky to get Ghost Town and will be very lucky to get 1-3 more tracks before they call it quits (or are forced to do so by circumstance).

Going into the 2021 tour, I wanted to hear a deep cuts and wanted them to drop tracks like Miss You. Most people don't want this though. I met a group of rich folk from Detroit at the Vegas show. They go to about 4 shows each tour, always in the pit, and I asked them what songs they hope the band might play. The riffled off a list of greatest hits/warhorse songs. I was a little surprised. They asked which song I hoped they played from the vote songs, I said Moonlight Mile. They were stunned. Why not Ruby Tuesday? That's the obvious choice...

I still had fun and will have fun again if it's a meat and potatoes setlist next year. I'm just thankful they shuffle 3-4 songs each night. Most bands of their generation don't do that. They play 15 shows with the same songs every single night and no variation.

Get your point entirely. I would just say that doing cover versions would not necessarily impede creativity. Especially if they were to do something new and different with the arrangements. Of course something totally original would be perfect, but if these juices have dried up, maybe a cover version or two might get things moving, creatively. Then again, Lonesome and Blue did not exactly accomplish that.

Love your wish for Moonlight Mile one of the tracks I'd seriously love to hear them play. There are 10-15 others but this is not the place for another of my notorious lists.

Final point - you are quite correct in saying that many bands NEVER change their setlists. The shining exceptions - for me - are Hawkwind and John Mayall. Both produce an average of an album a year and their setlists reflect that. But that is another topic for another time.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: January 8, 2022 07:32

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There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

playing Miss You is their service for fans who suffer from Weakness of the bladder…

And a salute to the 6 Million who bought the Some Girls album. And for Miss You being the last Stones single to hit number one in the States.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: January 9, 2022 00:53

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There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

playing Miss You is their service for fans who suffer from Weakness of the bladder…

And a salute to the 6 Million who bought the Some Girls album. And for Miss You being the last Stones single to hit number one in the States.
I get the feeling that there are people who despise Miss You just for being so enormously popular.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 9, 2022 15:41

Regarding Miss You: I suspect the track has a huge meaning to those who were there and fan’s in 1978; especially in the U.S.A. For a younger fan, in retrospect, I would imagine the majority would be more familiar with their more monumental works from the 1960’s; especially if, like me, you had parents who didn’t expose you to the 70’s Stones. As someone born in 1983, I would rather they delve into their 60’s catalogue and dig out a gem like Time is on My Side, or Heart of Stone. Of course, if they were to ever replace Miss You, it’d have to be for a number that could rightly fill it’s role in the set-list. The two recordings I mentioned wouldn’t do that.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Date: January 10, 2022 04:36

The thread has been hijacked to a Miss you thread.
MICK loves doing Miss You. End of story.
Back on topic - the 2022 tour. June in London?

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 10, 2022 04:44

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The thread has been hijacked to a Miss you thread.
MICK loves doing Miss You. End of story.
Back on topic - the 2022 tour. June in London?

I wouldn’t say it’s been ‘hijacked’; it’s just evolved. Unsurprising, considering there’s no real grounds for discussion. In regards to the tour: well, we’ll just have to see, won’t we? Predictions? It’ll be very expensive, with a predictable set-list.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: bv ()
Date: January 10, 2022 08:26

Please stay ON TOPIC. Off topic posts will be deleted.

PS. If you want to discuss set lists and songs, then feel free to use the set list thread - see that thread as well as others in the (link on IORR main page)"IORR Forum links of interest".

Bjornulf



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Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: glimmertwinz ()
Date: January 10, 2022 19:01

Hey BV
Any thoughts on dates yet? Have you heard if they will only be playing festivals or traditional stadiums?

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Dan ()
Date: January 10, 2022 20:49

Karl Denson's Tiny Universe was just announced as part of Beach Life in Redondo Beach May 13-15 and I am pretty sure he has some sort of expectation that he will not be needed at that time.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: January 10, 2022 21:03

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Dan
Karl Denson's Tiny Universe was just announced as part of Beach Life in Redondo Beach May 13-15 and I am pretty sure he has some sort of expectation that he will not be needed at that time.

Or... the very remote possibility, that he will be needed in southern California at about that time smileys with beer

Interestingly, he is scheduled for New Orleans just prior on May 5th.
Jazz Fest runs through May 8th.

Believe last tour he scheduled himself similarly around Jazz Fest/LA before it was cancelled.

Just sayin..



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Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: noughties ()
Date: January 10, 2022 21:37

-Hmm...., -any? -yet?

I suppose it ain`t that easy.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: schwonek ()
Date: January 10, 2022 22:25

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Back on topic - the 2022 tour. June in London?

I am in.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: podiumboy ()
Date: January 10, 2022 22:52

I just don’t see any way the stones will tour mainland Europe. Springsteen just NOPED out of his 2022 European tour. MAYBE a handful of shows in the UK. But places like Germany, Italy, Netherlands etc? I just can’t see that happening at all. I’d say do a leg in North America and then some in the UK, as that’s probably their only option. But I doubt Canada will be open for business either, and they’ve pretty well milked the US dry between 2019 and 2021. I guess we’ll see, but don’t hold your breath.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Halup ()
Date: January 10, 2022 23:47

I could see the US being plan B, just like it was for 2020, when BV and others had been hearing it was Asia and Australia, then it suddenly changed to the return to the US. They could reschedule Buffalo, Cleveland and Louisville, and I think a lot of the cities played in 2019, and some not played since 2015, would be ready again. They shouldn’t have a lot of difficulty getting NFL stadiums in June and July.



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Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: BeastyBurdeny ()
Date: January 11, 2022 00:08

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podiumboy
I just don’t see any way the stones will tour mainland Europe. Springsteen just NOPED out of his 2022 European tour. MAYBE a handful of shows in the UK. But places like Germany, Italy, Netherlands etc? I just can’t see that happening at all. I’d say do a leg in North America and then some in the UK, as that’s probably their only option. But I doubt Canada will be open for business either, and they’ve pretty well milked the US dry between 2019 and 2021. I guess we’ll see, but don’t hold your breath.

There was a very short window when they could have played Vancouver in November, after all restrictions were lifted. They've been temporarily imposed again, but I don't see how they couldn't be lifted again by the summer. Feds seem reluctant to completely close the border again and BC seems reluctant to completely shut everything down again (schools are staying open here and sporting events continue at a limited capacity)

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: podiumboy ()
Date: January 11, 2022 00:10

If Canada is in play by summertime, then you could easily work out a tour leg using Canada and the US shows that were cancelled last year.

1. Vancouver
2. Edmonton
3. Regina
4. Winnipeg
5. Toronto
6. Ottawa
7. Montreal
8. Moncton

9. Buffalo
10. Cleveland
11. Louisville
12. San Diego

Throw in a couple others, and there ya go.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: January 11, 2022 00:13

Karl Denson scheduling a date during Jazz Fest (followed by one in the LA area) has me convinced they may very well give JF another shot.
[karldenson.com]

Scheduled nearly exactly as he has done during the most recent attempts at The Stones playing Jazz Fest the last two US legs.
Both cancelled, one due to Mick's heart issue, the other May '20 due to Covid. But- the band seems pretty intent on playing the festival .. and have consistently tried to do make up shows for cancelled gigs/tours/cities, which also adds Vancouver and San Diego back into the mix.

Like last tour, no one could predict tour possibilities based on current covid numbers etc (although they did a hell of job nailing it), but an April/May/ short NA tour that included several Canadian gigs, along with a few US as well as a proper NYC sendoff before hitting the UK for the anniversary date and other shows seems very feasible..



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Halup
I could see the US being plan B, just like it was for 2020, when BV and others had been hearing it was Asia and Australia, then it suddenly changed to the return to the US. They could reschedule Buffalo, Cleveland and Louisville, and I think a lot of the cities played in 2019, and some not played since 2015, would be ready again. They shouldn’t have a lot of difficulty getting NFL stadiums in June and July.



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Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Keefy ()
Date: January 11, 2022 00:16

Strictly rumor, but heard talk of West Coast, NYC and New Orleans dates possible sometime this year....

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: jcstone47 ()
Date: January 11, 2022 00:55

There are huge ax lined up for the Queen’s Jubilee the first week of June in London.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Halup ()
Date: January 11, 2022 01:12

I guess there would be 2 options for the US. It could be like MisterDDDD proposes and run in April-May, allowing for later UK dates and possibly some or all of the Europe dates that have been rumored, or it could be a longer US tour that could completely replace Europe and run in the summer months.

The rumors Keefy posted is interesting, as it includes Jazzfest in the spring. Could the West Coast dates be a return to the proposed Desert Trip concerts in October, to where they would be in the US on 2 different occasions this year? If so, it could be with Europe in the middle and a small amount of US dates either before or on both sides of it.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: January 11, 2022 01:57

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Halup
I guess there would be 2 options for the US. It could be like MisterDDDD proposes and run in April-May, allowing for later UK dates and possibly some or all of the Europe dates that have been rumored, or it could be a longer US tour that could completely replace Europe and run in the summer months.

The rumors Keefy posted is interesting, as it includes Jazzfest in the spring. Could the West Coast dates be a return to the proposed Desert Trip concerts in October, to where they would be in the US on 2 different occasions this year? If so, it could be with Europe in the middle and a small amount of US dates either before or on both sides of it.

Hadn't heard DT rumors.. but seems doubtful. With Denson's recently added date for NO May 5th, gotta lean toward the spring option with it wrapping (Vancouver?) late May. Maybe even just a handful of dates, getting them properly warmed up for anniversary gig(s) in London etc.

One can hope.. cool smiley

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: BeastyBurdeny ()
Date: January 11, 2022 02:05

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MisterDDDD
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Halup
I guess there would be 2 options for the US. It could be like MisterDDDD proposes and run in April-May, allowing for later UK dates and possibly some or all of the Europe dates that have been rumored, or it could be a longer US tour that could completely replace Europe and run in the summer months.

The rumors Keefy posted is interesting, as it includes Jazzfest in the spring. Could the West Coast dates be a return to the proposed Desert Trip concerts in October, to where they would be in the US on 2 different occasions this year? If so, it could be with Europe in the middle and a small amount of US dates either before or on both sides of it.

Hadn't heard DT rumors.. but seems doubtful. With Denson's recently added date for NO May 5th, gotta lean toward the spring option with it wrapping (Vancouver?) late May. Maybe even just a handful of dates, getting them properly warmed up for anniversary gig(s) in London etc.

One can hope.. cool smiley

One can hope indeed. Maybe if we talk about this Vancouver date enough it'll happen.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: podiumboy ()
Date: January 11, 2022 03:00

Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: January 11, 2022 03:16

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podiumboy
Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

Basing future tour plans on mandates etc in place today proved pretty futile for the last tour.
Next to meaningless at this point, but not completely I suppose.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: SomeTorontoGirl ()
Date: January 11, 2022 03:32

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podiumboy
If Canada is in play by summertime, then you could easily work out a tour leg using Canada and the US shows that were cancelled last year.


8. Moncton
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I look forward to the pictures of Mick (and Matt) watching the bore tide. Which is aptly named.


Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Halup ()
Date: January 11, 2022 03:50

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podiumboy
Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

Perhaps they could place a hold for Seattle as a backup to Vancouver, if they don’t feel confident on it going back to 100% by the cutoff date. Seattle was well attended in 2019 and would likely sell well.

Re: Tour 2022 rumors - The Rolling Stones
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: January 11, 2022 04:54

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Halup
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podiumboy
Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

Perhaps they could place a hold for Seattle as a backup to Vancouver, if they don’t feel confident on it going back to 100% by the cutoff date. Seattle was well attended in 2019 and would likely sell well.

Hopefully the Omicron variant will die down in a couple months! Vancouver will be a guaranteed sell out and would be my last chance to see them.

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