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Well, to defend Hairball: Some of Keith's intros were a bit tentative during that tour. And during the last gig Keith sat down on a couple of songs in order to get things right.
And on the last, super expensive ticket wise, gig they were down to 17 songs. 90 percent warhorses. It's not a crime to be critical thinking. Even on a fanboard.

Steve Jordan said they were super focused up until the L.A. shows due to the critics and reviews, and after that they didn't worry as much, ie they became sloppier and lazier.
Many of us watched and followed and read all the reviews, and have friends who were at some of those latter tour shows who felt they were clearly in a decline.
A few who were in attendance at the final "special" show were upset and practically felt betrayed at the short/standard/safe setlist, and the fact they spent good money, traveled from afar, etc.
But of course there are those who love every second of every minute of everything the Stones do on (and off) the stage, but not sure what type of reality they're living in.
That said, there should be room for all types of opinions including the good, the bad, and the ugly...imo.

From Dean Goodman, Hard Rock live, Fl. show:

"The good news: Fans now know they can safely ignore any home video release of Tuesday's depressingly truncated tour finale at the Hard Rock Casino.
They’ve heard it all a thousand times. The bad news: it was an expensive lesson for the 7,000 folks who forked out big bucks to act as extras in the Stones' latest heist.
But it's more than the cost. It's the sinking feeling that sets in after about five songs when you realize the Stones just don't care."

Thank you for your post and for referencing Dean Goodman's comments. Two of my dearest friends saw The Stones three times during the latter stages of the tour, including the final, hugely expensive, performance at The Hard Rock. Their verdict? They were better than expected given the circumstances but were 'nothing special'. And all talk about The Stones being better than ever was, in their opinion, not entirely accurate.

My own view is that Stones fans divide into two broad groups. Those who love everything the band does live. They relish the performance, the spectacle, and the familiarity of those big hits. Then there are those - and I am one - who would like to see some form of evolution. Some new music. Even cover versions. And an opportunity to, once again, enjoy The Stones as CREATORS rather than as greatest hits performers. One of my friends, who has been a fan all his life, dating back over 55 years, said 'Seeing them was too like listening to a Gold Station on the radio'

I am not dismissing or criticising anyone in this comment, just summarising what, for me, seems to be the main dividing line between the different types of fandom. And I am certainly NOT disrespecting anyone whose view differ from my own. But this is a fans forum. All kinds of views, comments, and counter-comments should be welcome.

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There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

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Well, to defend Hairball: Some of Keith's intros were a bit tentative during that tour. And during the last gig Keith sat down on a couple of songs in order to get things right.
And on the last, super expensive ticket wise, gig they were down to 17 songs. 90 percent warhorses. It's not a crime to be critical thinking. Even on a fanboard.

Steve Jordan said they were super focused up until the L.A. shows due to the critics and reviews, and after that they didn't worry as much, ie they became sloppier and lazier.
Many of us watched and followed and read all the reviews, and have friends who were at some of those latter tour shows who felt they were clearly in a decline.
A few who were in attendance at the final "special" show were upset and practically felt betrayed at the short/standard/safe setlist, and the fact they spent good money, traveled from afar, etc.
But of course there are those who love every second of every minute of everything the Stones do on (and off) the stage, but not sure what type of reality they're living in.
That said, there should be room for all types of opinions including the good, the bad, and the ugly...imo.

From Dean Goodman, Hard Rock live, Fl. show:

"The good news: Fans now know they can safely ignore any home video release of Tuesday's depressingly truncated tour finale at the Hard Rock Casino.
They’ve heard it all a thousand times. The bad news: it was an expensive lesson for the 7,000 folks who forked out big bucks to act as extras in the Stones' latest heist.
But it's more than the cost. It's the sinking feeling that sets in after about five songs when you realize the Stones just don't care."

Thank you for your post and for referencing Dean Goodman's comments. Two of my dearest friends saw The Stones three times during the latter stages of the tour, including the final, hugely expensive, performance at The Hard Rock. Their verdict? They were better than expected given the circumstances but were 'nothing special'. And all talk about The Stones being better than ever was, in their opinion, not entirely accurate.

My own view is that Stones fans divide into two broad groups. Those who love everything the band does live. They relish the performance, the spectacle, and the familiarity of those big hits. Then there are those - and I am one - who would like to see some form of evolution. Some new music. Even cover versions. And an opportunity to, once again, enjoy The Stones as CREATORS rather than as greatest hits performers. One of my friends, who has been a fan all his life, dating back over 55 years, said 'Seeing them was too like listening to a Gold Station on the radio'

I am not dismissing or criticising anyone in this comment, just summarising what, for me, seems to be the main dividing line between the different types of fandom. And I am certainly NOT disrespecting anyone whose view differ from my own. But this is a fans forum. All kinds of views, comments, and counter-comments should be welcome.

With all due respect, isn't it a bit of an oxymoron to say you want to see them as 'creators' but to also be willing to accept another 'covers' album?

It's a fair point to want to see them creating new work, and I understand that putting out a covers album would be better than nothing, but I think the Stone's years as creators are long behind them. We were lucky to get Ghost Town and will be very lucky to get 1-3 more tracks before they call it quits (or are forced to do so by circumstance).

Going into the 2021 tour, I wanted to hear a deep cuts and wanted them to drop tracks like Miss You. Most people don't want this though. I met a group of rich folk from Detroit at the Vegas show. They go to about 4 shows each tour, always in the pit, and I asked them what songs they hope the band might play. The riffled off a list of greatest hits/warhorse songs. I was a little surprised. They asked which song I hoped they played from the vote songs, I said Moonlight Mile. They were stunned. Why not Ruby Tuesday? That's the obvious choice...

I still had fun and will have fun again if it's a meat and potatoes setlist next year. I'm just thankful they shuffle 3-4 songs each night. Most bands of their generation don't do that. They play 15 shows with the same songs every single night and no variation.

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There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

playing Miss You is their service for fans who suffer from Weakness of the bladder…

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There's always a contingent that wants to drop Miss You. It's one of their biggest, latter day songs. Much bigger than Sympathy For The Devil, which was played out decades ago. Miss You is a nice change in tempo. I'm done with Stones concerts. After 2013 I realized it was all flat. The only hint of the Golden Age Stones is when Keith hits the opening chords of Jumping Jack Flash. It's over. No surprises, but maybe a song of two they've also played fairly regularly. It is fascinating that long after they've ceased being a creative band (except for the odd single, and blues album) they still generate enormous interest. Hats off to the band's charisma.

playing Miss You is their service for fans who suffer from Weakness of the bladder…

And a salute to the 6 Million who bought the Some Girls album. And for Miss You being the last Stones single to hit number one in the States.

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The thread has been hijacked to a Miss you thread.
MICK loves doing Miss You. End of story.
Back on topic - the 2022 tour. June in London?

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Karl Denson's Tiny Universe was just announced as part of Beach Life in Redondo Beach May 13-15 and I am pretty sure he has some sort of expectation that he will not be needed at that time.

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Back on topic - the 2022 tour. June in London?

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I just don’t see any way the stones will tour mainland Europe. Springsteen just NOPED out of his 2022 European tour. MAYBE a handful of shows in the UK. But places like Germany, Italy, Netherlands etc? I just can’t see that happening at all. I’d say do a leg in North America and then some in the UK, as that’s probably their only option. But I doubt Canada will be open for business either, and they’ve pretty well milked the US dry between 2019 and 2021. I guess we’ll see, but don’t hold your breath.

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I could see the US being plan B, just like it was for 2020, when BV and others had been hearing it was Asia and Australia, then it suddenly changed to the return to the US. They could reschedule Buffalo, Cleveland and Louisville, and I think a lot of the cities played in 2019, and some not played since 2015, would be ready again. They shouldn’t have a lot of difficulty getting NFL stadiums in June and July.

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I guess there would be 2 options for the US. It could be like MisterDDDD proposes and run in April-May, allowing for later UK dates and possibly some or all of the Europe dates that have been rumored, or it could be a longer US tour that could completely replace Europe and run in the summer months.

The rumors Keefy posted is interesting, as it includes Jazzfest in the spring. Could the West Coast dates be a return to the proposed Desert Trip concerts in October, to where they would be in the US on 2 different occasions this year? If so, it could be with Europe in the middle and a small amount of US dates either before or on both sides of it.

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I guess there would be 2 options for the US. It could be like MisterDDDD proposes and run in April-May, allowing for later UK dates and possibly some or all of the Europe dates that have been rumored, or it could be a longer US tour that could completely replace Europe and run in the summer months.

The rumors Keefy posted is interesting, as it includes Jazzfest in the spring. Could the West Coast dates be a return to the proposed Desert Trip concerts in October, to where they would be in the US on 2 different occasions this year? If so, it could be with Europe in the middle and a small amount of US dates either before or on both sides of it.

Hadn't heard DT rumors.. but seems doubtful. With Denson's recently added date for NO May 5th, gotta lean toward the spring option with it wrapping (Vancouver?) late May. Maybe even just a handful of dates, getting them properly warmed up for anniversary gig(s) in London etc.

One can hope..

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Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

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If Canada is in play by summertime, then you could easily work out a tour leg using Canada and the US shows that were cancelled last year.

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Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

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Vancouver has all events capped at 50% capacity. Stones won’t be playing there.

Perhaps they could place a hold for Seattle as a backup to Vancouver, if they don’t feel confident on it going back to 100% by the cutoff date. Seattle was well attended in 2019 and would likely sell well.