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jbwelda
Yelling at Bill Graham, yeah man that does a lot of good. You are lucky he just retaliated with words instead of booting yer ass out of the park like he did with a lot of others in similar situations.
jb
. So the Cavett show filmed Brown Sugar, then stopped filming the concert for nine songs then started filming again All Down the Line, then stopped again for 2songs before continuing to film Street Fighting Man all at the directive of someone in the Stones camp?Quote
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yearsinthemaking
The Stones limited what could be recorded at the time. Like now they were very controlling. Unfortunately we are the losers in the end because they felt if Dick Cavett or anyone else recorded them the people doing the recording would have possession of the tapes. It goes back to their mindless refusal to allow the BBC to record them at the 1966 NME show. The Beatles did the same thing. There's just not much out there from 1970-73. Robert Frank may have made some more live video but it seems fairly crappy.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if in some vault somewhere in London there are some multi-angled tapes from MSG in '72 as well as London or Brussels in '73. Or maybe that's just some insane wishful thinking!!!!
The Maysles bros recorded entire shows of all three MSG shows in '69.
Yes, but the Maysles were hired by the Stones as was Robert Frank and whomever is credited with recording L&G. Cavett and the the BBC were not.
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jbwelda
Yelling at Bill Graham, yeah man that does a lot of good. You are lucky he just retaliated with words instead of booting yer ass out of the park like he did with a lot of others in similar situations.
jb
ahhh, but you don't know the conclusion of the story -- he had those damned planters moved which to me was what Bill Graham was all about -- call him autocratic or whatever, he took care of the fans. I remember also seeing him outside the Cow Palace for the Stones making sure everything was going well when they first opened the doors.
So not so fast Mr. JB Welda.
plexi
You have to view the original tv show .This can be found in various bootlegs.After a commercial break at the end of the Cavett show there is film of Jagger dancing frantically with Taylor playing slide.Monkey Man is dubbed in over the film for some reason.TheCavett show didn’t broadcast the concert live, but 2weeks later.So they edited the Stones concert.How much they filmed is anyone’s guessQuote
yearsinthemaking
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: May 27, 2021 16:48
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yearsinthemaking
The Stones limited what could be recorded at the time. Like now they were very controlling. Unfortunately we are the losers in the end because they felt if Dick Cavett or anyone else recorded them the people doing the recording would have possession of the tapes. It goes back to their mindless refusal to allow the BBC to record them at the 1966 NME show. The Beatles did the same thing. There's just not much out there from 1970-73. Robert Frank may have made some more live video but it seems fairly crappy.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if in some vault somewhere in London there are some multi-angled tapes from MSG in '72 as well as London or Brussels in '73. Or maybe that's just some insane wishful thinking!!!!
The Maysles bros recorded entire shows of all three MSG shows in '69.
Yes, but the Maysles were hired by the Stones as was Robert Frank and whomever is credited with recording L&G. Cavett and the the BBC were not.
. So the Cavett show filmed Brown Sugar, then stopped filming the concert for nine songs then started filming again All Down the Line, then stopped again for 2songs before continuing to film Street Fighting Man all at the directive of someone in the Stones camp?
I'm actually not familiar with a video of all down the line from MSG!!!
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Taylor1You have to view the original tv show .This can be found in various bootlegs.After a commercial break at the end of the Cavett show there is film of Jagger dancing frantically with Taylor playing slide.Monkey Man is dubbed in over the film for some reason.TheCavett show didn’t broadcast the concert live, but 2weeks later.So they edited the Stones concert.How much they filmed is anyone’s guessQuote
yearsinthemaking
I'm actually not familiar with a video of all down the line from MSG!!!
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jbwelda
Yelling at Bill Graham, yeah man that does a lot of good. You are lucky he just retaliated with words instead of booting yer ass out of the park like he did with a lot of others in similar situations.
jb
ahhh, but you don't know the conclusion of the story -- he had those damned planters moved which to me was what Bill Graham was all about -- call him autocratic or whatever, he took care of the fans. I remember also seeing him outside the Cow Palace for the Stones making sure everything was going well when they first opened the doors.
So not so fast Mr. JB Welda.
plexi
Yes well that is very true, however much of an ass one might think BG was, he did take care of his patrons, it was his trademark all the way back to giving out apples and breakfast after his FW shows. So I am glad he moved the planters for you, surprised, but glad. Then I bet you felt a real fool having yelled at him like that and received the response you did. I know I would have.
He also kicked people off his guest list just because, more than once, and then resold the tickets to people waiting outside. Happened to a couple listeners of my then radio show and believe me, I heard about it.
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jbwelda
>Tell me about your radio show.
I would but it would be off topic. Have had several radio shows, mostly community radio, over the years, all reggae music or heavily reggae influenced.
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jbwelda
>one of the many people who were cussed out by Bill Graham
It is a badge of pride, kind of like having Keef slug you one.
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jbwelda
>Tell me about your radio show.
I would but it would be off topic. Have had several radio shows, mostly community radio, over the years, all reggae music or heavily reggae influenced.
jb
were you ever on KZAP?
plexi
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Taylor1You have to view the original tv show .This can be found in various bootlegs.After a commercial break at the end of the Cavett show there is film of Jagger dancing frantically with Taylor playing slide.Monkey Man is dubbed in over the film for some reason.TheCavett show didn’t broadcast the concert live, but 2weeks later.So they edited the Stones concert.How much they filmed is anyone’s guessQuote
yearsinthemaking
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: May 27, 2021 16:48
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yearsinthemaking
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yearsinthemaking
The Stones limited what could be recorded at the time. Like now they were very controlling. Unfortunately we are the losers in the end because they felt if Dick Cavett or anyone else recorded them the people doing the recording would have possession of the tapes. It goes back to their mindless refusal to allow the BBC to record them at the 1966 NME show. The Beatles did the same thing. There's just not much out there from 1970-73. Robert Frank may have made some more live video but it seems fairly crappy.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if in some vault somewhere in London there are some multi-angled tapes from MSG in '72 as well as London or Brussels in '73. Or maybe that's just some insane wishful thinking!!!!
The Maysles bros recorded entire shows of all three MSG shows in '69.
Yes, but the Maysles were hired by the Stones as was Robert Frank and whomever is credited with recording L&G. Cavett and the the BBC were not.
. So the Cavett show filmed Brown Sugar, then stopped filming the concert for nine songs then started filming again All Down the Line, then stopped again for 2songs before continuing to film Street Fighting Man all at the directive of someone in the Stones camp?
I'm actually not familiar with a video of all down the line from MSG!!!
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timbernardis
Dennis Newhall, of course.
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Taylor1
But at the end of the show there is a clip of them playing All Down the Line, not just the aforementioned songs.It was shown at the end of the original show , and has Monkey Man music overdubbed it .But its All Down the Line because Taylor is playing slide and Jagger is dancing frantically so its not Love in Vain.So why would they film Brown Sugar, then nothing else before jumping toAll Down then shutting it down again until Street Fighting Man.At the very least, it should mean they also had a film of All Down the Line as well
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yearsinthemaking
There's just not much out there from 1970-73. Robert Frank may have made some more live video but it seems fairly crappy.
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JMARKO
I believe this is @#$%& Blues footage with dubbed in audio of All Down The Line
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automaticchanger
If you can remember the name of the online archive you're referring to in your last post, I'd appreciate it - curious to check out the clips you mention.