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edkeef
Yes I was fortunate enough to have seen The Who, ELO, Little Feat and Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers at Winterland, and have seen a lot of footage released on Wolfgang's vault over the years. I always thought Bill Graham might have had footage of the Stone's performances there, but always figured the Stones had tighter control or it was a gentlemen's agreement maybe to never make it public. The curious thing to me is almost all of any concert footage I have seen from Winterland has always been in Black & White.
So now, out of nowhere and with no anticipation or leaks this Winterland footage might be showing up, it just DOES! And in color, no less!
The only explanations for it would be that the footage is common among private collectors and someone released it because of (?)
Or what other explanation could there be for it?
Was it yours bleedingman, or do you know the origin of why and how it has just appeared with no leak or announcement/teaser from someone it might be showing up?
Seems pretty odd.... I know it is only bits of 3 or 4 songs.... surely it was edited from a longer roll of film....
Anyone?
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automaticchanger
It's definitely not something done by Bill Graham, as my understanding is that he stuck to videotape when recording shows.
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automaticchanger
It's definitely not something done by Bill Graham, as my understanding is that he stuck to videotape when recording shows.
Yeah this footage is obviously privately-shot 8mm film.
But at the end of the show there is a clip of them playing All Down the Line, not just the aforementioned songs.It was shown at the end of the original show , and has Monkey Man music overdubbed it .But its All Down the Line because Taylor is playing slide and Jagger is dancing frantically so its not Love in Vain.So why would they film Brown Sugar, then nothing else before jumping toAll Down then shutting it down again until Street Fighting Man.At the very least, it should mean they also had a film of All Down the Line as wellQuote
yearsinthemaking
I agree with dcba. This is likely someone's personal 8mm film and obviously stored in great condition with the colors being just perfect.
It's sad that today you could store more video on your phone than exists of the Stones prior to 1981 combined.
I don't think the Dick Cavett crew would've been allowed to film the whole show. More likely than not they were invited to film Brown Sugar then shut it down until Street Fighting Man.
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Taylor1
why would they film Brown Sugar, then nothing else before jumping to All Down then shutting it down again until Street Fighting Man.
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yearsinthemaking
The Stones limited what could be recorded at the time. Like now they were very controlling. Unfortunately we are the losers in the end because they felt if Dick Cavett or anyone else recorded them the people doing the recording would have possession of the tapes. It goes back to their mindless refusal to allow the BBC to record them at the 1966 NME show. The Beatles did the same thing. There's just not much out there from 1970-73. Robert Frank may have made some more live video but it seems fairly crappy.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if in some vault somewhere in London there are some multi-angled tapes from MSG in '72 as well as London or Brussels in '73. Or maybe that's just some insane wishful thinking!!!!
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jbwelda
After watching this a couple more times I think it was filmed from one of the VIP rooms under the balcony, built into the balcony actually, and that would lead me to think even more it is BG footage. I don't think one could actually sneak an 8mm or larger camera into the place, or even a video camera of the day and then film surreptitiously, they checked you at the door pretty closely especially for these shows as I recall. So if it is BG footage, there might well be more where that came from, just not released to the public as of yet.
Of course, I could be dead wrong about all that, but like I said the more I see it, the more I think it was in house filming and probably without the Stones knowledge or permission.
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edkeef
Hi Plexi
I saw the Who first show at Winterland in 76 and also the Day on the Green with the Dead later in October. They were great both times, with the Winterland show obviously better just because the intensity of being with only 5000, which would be considered almost a club show today! ha
Unfortunately, we were way off to the left side of the stage in the balcony, so the sound was not the best. Still a great great show with one of the first ever laser shows that was fantastic; giant spider webs in green and blue.
You remember I am sure there were 100,000 requests for the two shows only holding 5000 each. When I got the notice of a certified letter, I almost fainted! I was the most popular kid for a couple weeks in school!
Winterland was THE best place for a show and I'M very fortunate to have been able to see a few shows there before it closed. I was too young for 1972, and my mom was going to let me go to the 1975 shows at the Cow Palace, but I could not get a ticket. Tried winning them on the radio but didn't happen!
First Rolling Stones show was Anaheim first show in 78 and then a couple days later in Oakland for the fantastic ping pong ball and blow up doll show on Mick's Birthday. My all time favorite concert ever!!! No one will ever top that entrance!!!