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That was the 80’s for ya!
They had to update themselves, the music, the live performance, the image etc. to catch up with the trend of the era — and that was not only the Stones, many other musicians who had been around since the 60’s and the 70’s did the same.
That’s how they have been going active, well more or less, to this day, a way of survival. Purists may not like it, but I don’t think it is all bad.
I think Mick's point was from within the context of The Rolling Stones, so for that matter, anything he did that didn't sound like the Stones was potentially experimental - he was up against his own legacy, so songs like Half A Loaf, Running Out Of Luck, Turn The Girl Loose and the ridiculously hilarious title track certainly achieved that, where as Lonely At The Top is a bit of a strange choice to kick off his album but he has some hints of Stones elements with Just Another Night, Lucky In Love and Secrets.
If you listen to that album with an open mind, as in, the gist of what he's doing versus the decade it's in and the production that indeed dates a good bit of it, it's way off the wall in overall in his context of who he is. Keith went off about how it wasn't different enough, possibly based on what Mick said about doing anything etc and for Keith it wasn't far enough in "anything", which was just the pissed off kid in the sandbox. Keith's barbs, regardless of the emotional aspect of the Stones, was just a tiny bit grumpy and unnecessary.
It can only go so long until something becomes flat out stupid and ignorant and that idiot knows nothing of what he speaks. At least HMS had some passion behind his statements and took it in stride.
Perhaps the most brilliant ridiculous thing I've read in 2020. EXCELLENT! Completely ignorant, wrong and fake but very very very entertaining.
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Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
wonderboy
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Date: November 20, 2020 18:28
I watched some of the show and it makes me sad.
You can see Mick putting together the model for the Vegas Stones, which they have largely followed for many years.
They could have chosen different paths that would have resulted in more interesting music, but probably less popular and less lucrative.
You can see Mick putting together the model for the Vegas Stones, which they have largely followed for many years.
They could have chosen different paths that would have resulted in more interesting music, but probably less popular and less lucrative.
Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
RisingStone
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Date: November 20, 2020 20:54
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wonderboy
I watched some of the show and it makes me sad.
You can see Mick putting together the model for the Vegas Stones, which they have largely followed for many years.
They could have chosen different paths that would have resulted in more interesting music, but probably less popular and less lucrative.
That was the 80’s for ya!
They had to update themselves, the music, the live performance, the image etc. to catch up with the trend of the era — and that was not only the Stones, many other musicians who had been around since the 60’s and the 70’s did the same.
That’s how they have been going active, well more or less, to this day, a way of survival. Purists may not like it, but I don’t think it is all bad.
Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: November 20, 2020 22:08
Mick got it right on the show he did to promote Wandering Spirit. Only three Stone's songs at the end that were deep album cuts. The Webster Hall show has a loose, fun and creative energy. If he toured behind it playing theatres like the Winos, I think he would have given them a run for their money.
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Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: November 20, 2020 22:18
The 1993 show was much better though. Even though it was a one-off (I think). It's actually enjoyable. And the band is very well rehearsed.
Webster Hall, NYC, Feb 1993: [www.youtube.com]
Webster Hall, NYC, Feb 1993: [www.youtube.com]
Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: November 21, 2020 01:59
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HairballQuote
GasLightStreet
I could do all kinds of things. I could go very commercial - very, VERY commercial American pop. Or I could go for just ordinary, straight rock and roll, in an English way. Or I could mix it up: some very... you know, some HITS, and some things that are a bit more experimental. Outside of this kind of mainstream rock. More like the stuff Material does. Slightly left of the mainstream, you know what I mean? You could do some interesting things in that area. I have a lot of stuff. I think I'm gonna do it relatively soon.
- Mick Jagger, September 1983
[timeisonourside.com]
I'd like to explore as many areas as I can, and at the moment I thought I should do more solo work. In a band, everyone is supposed to contribute, which is a wonderful way of making records, but there are other ways of making music. And I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to do and should sound like. The other musicians are very talented and they had ideas, but most of the things came out as I planned them on demos.
- Mick Jagger, 1987
[timeisonourside.com]
Interesting quotes, but not sure that much of Micks solo material is very experimental or adventurous at all, but I guess my definition of experimental/adventurous is a bit more extreme than Mick's.
My first impressions of his solo material was a softer and more generic version of Mick than what he had done with the Stones - more commercial even with the then state-of-the-art '80's production, etc.
There might be some his stuff that could be considered a bit "off the wall" and slightly outside of the mainstream, but generally speaking it's all rather tame, and dare I say boring to my ears
As for Keith solo - yes it's closer to the familiar turf of typical Stonesiness, but it really isn't that simply defined. I'm not even sure what "typical Stonesiness" means as they've covered so much territory as a band throughout their history, but maybe it has to do with some of the typical guitar heavy/riff driven rock and roll tunes they've recorded. But it went much deeper than that, and at times strayed in to a more personal rootsier vibe imo.
But we all have our personal opinions on what we like, and for me just so happens that Mick is a WAY better when he's with the Stones - clearly one of the all time greatest frontmen, and easily one of my favorites.
As for Keith, I think he's great with or without the Stones, but he'll always be a Rolling Stone first and foremost. If only they could get it together and release some more new Stones material...
It would be the best of both worlds, and pretty sure most here would agree with that. That said, it would also be nice to get some more Keith solo material some day....
I think Mick's point was from within the context of The Rolling Stones, so for that matter, anything he did that didn't sound like the Stones was potentially experimental - he was up against his own legacy, so songs like Half A Loaf, Running Out Of Luck, Turn The Girl Loose and the ridiculously hilarious title track certainly achieved that, where as Lonely At The Top is a bit of a strange choice to kick off his album but he has some hints of Stones elements with Just Another Night, Lucky In Love and Secrets.
If you listen to that album with an open mind, as in, the gist of what he's doing versus the decade it's in and the production that indeed dates a good bit of it, it's way off the wall in overall in his context of who he is. Keith went off about how it wasn't different enough, possibly based on what Mick said about doing anything etc and for Keith it wasn't far enough in "anything", which was just the pissed off kid in the sandbox. Keith's barbs, regardless of the emotional aspect of the Stones, was just a tiny bit grumpy and unnecessary.
Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: November 21, 2020 02:02
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Stoneage
This rudeness towards each other, which is notable sometimes, - is it really necessary?
It can only go so long until something becomes flat out stupid and ignorant and that idiot knows nothing of what he speaks. At least HMS had some passion behind his statements and took it in stride.
Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: November 21, 2020 02:34
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harlem shuffle
Learn to read before you speak Gas Light,my comments Are on you and you,re alter ego Hairball.It,s a lot of music i don,t like so much,soloalbums from both Mick Jagger and Keith Richards,especially She,s the boss and Talk is cheap,these albums are in my opinion not very good.And lots of other stuff from Mick and Keith,i almost never play.I have never been a Keith Richards hater as you and you,re hangarounds try to tell everybody.But you and you,re muppet friend Hairball has this antiJagger campaign for 10-15 years now.But of course Keith is a god for you and the rest of the muppetgang.Last concert i saw with the Stones,was in Stockholm october 2017,and to tell the truth,it was terrible to Watch what state Keith was in.First songs was terrible playing by Keith,a bit better later in the concert.Biggest dissapointments in my history of the Stones.So you,re antijagger comments and the godpraising of Richards are very comical and stupid.So take you,re muppet friends out for some time,and hopefully even you can see the daylight maybee
Perhaps the most brilliant ridiculous thing I've read in 2020. EXCELLENT! Completely ignorant, wrong and fake but very very very entertaining.
Re: Mick Jagger - Live in Australia 1988/03/15-19
Posted by:
NoPanic
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Date: November 21, 2020 22:32
During that time I read in a french musicpaper that he was to play in Paris,Bercy. By that time I have never seen a Stone so I got very nervous and how to get tickets...But at the it did not happen.
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