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Re: Ghost Town, there're 28 live versions of it by the Stones, but maybe the one by Starf*cker in Berlin is even longer! You never know. [www.setlist.fm]
Too bad they didn't play it at Re:mise.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-11-09 11:31 by Topi.
Of course. It is similar. But it's way off at the same time. Keith was on edge about Start Me Up sounding like someone - if this crap song was presented to him in any way he either did a fantastic job if lifting it or he never heard it.
How many times can one write in A minor? All of them. Angie, Miss You... on and on.
It's bland. The singer is horrendous. The structure is a bit wonky. There's some obvious posing going on. It's like they took Sister Morphine (same key), crossed it with Fingerprint File, and sped it up while not speeding up.
The singer should be embarrassed.
i personally think it was just a coincidence
patick's song is pretty good though
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-20 07:25 by ProfessorWolf.
All About You - Keith was a little curious as to if he wrote it within himself.
That song was hanging around for 3 years. After researching to make sure it wasn't somebody else who wrote it, I finally decided that it must have been me. But... I am proud of it.
- Keith Richards, 1980-81
[timeisonourside.com]
His quip about Start Me Up was all in his head.
Anybody Seen My Baby... oddly there's nothing about the K.D. Lang moment on timeisonourside. Unless it's hiding somewhere not obvious.
Keith Richards shed light on the situation in his 2010 autobiography, Life:
“The writers’ credits under ‘Anybody Seen My Baby?’ include k.d. lang and a co-writer (Ben Mink). My daughter Angela and her friend were at Redlands, and I was playing the record, and they start singing this totally different song over it. They were hearing k.d. lang’s “Constant Craving.” It was Angela and her friend that copped it. And the record was about to come out in a week. Oh s–t, he’s lifted another one. I don’t think he’s ever done it deliberately; he’s just a sponge. So I had to call up … all of the heavy-duty lawyers, and I said, ‘Have this checked out right now. Otherwise, we’re going to be sued.’ And within 24 hours, I got a phone call: ‘You’re right.’ We had to include k.d. lang in the writing credits.”
[americansongwriter.com]
That's very interesting. Because that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, right?
I'm going to figure Keith is exaggerating a bit there, like he does at times, because I find it unlikely no one else figured it out it's so obvious. Once they finished the song someone must've noticed, which is months before the release of the single and LP.
Highly doubtful that Keith figured it out. It's something for him to admit such a thing, his position about Mick hearing A and saying "Hey listen to what I came up with" kind of thing like he's talked about, which is totally believable but... the timing is way off.
To Keith, a week or two weeks is probably two or three months. There's a lot of time between finishing the sessions and post-production. At least in 1997. Since then that time has shrunk.
As Treacle loves, if you live by the sword...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-22 21:54 by GasLightStreet.
The CDs itself were probably not destroyed since they don't have songwriter credits on them. I've bought the B2B album in 1997 on release day as CD (made in the Netherlands by EMI Uden). The only mention of k.d. lang is in the booklet (above the lyrics and in the general credits). Maybe just the booklet was re-printed and it could be the same for the inlay of the CD single.
here come old flat top...
speaking of chuck berry
you know what keith says about stealing every lick he ever played from chuck?
well so did everyone else
Well, even Chuck stole every lick he played!
Mathijs
yep i've heard t-bone walker and johnnie johnson play
It's a matter of duration, a number of bars or measures, with a combination of notes and melody being interchangeable. The first part of the chorus is exactly the same as Constant Craving.
If your player supports the CD-Text feature, the text data could be faulty. But there's nothing to find on the internet about such an error.
If your player is connected via network to the internet, it could mistakenly use an incorrect entry from an online CD database.
Other than at Hyde Park in 2022, I don’t think I’ve listened to the single since 2020, after downloading it. I didn’t particularly like the song then, and I certainly wouldn’t purposely listen to it, today.
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Re: Ghost town question
Posted by:
Topi
()
Date: November 9, 2023 10:31
Quote
Irix
Longer than the 4m:07s studio version? Never heard of. But there're longer live versions - [dbboots.com] .
Re: Ghost Town, there're 28 live versions of it by the Stones, but maybe the one by Starf*cker in Berlin is even longer! You never know. [www.setlist.fm]
Too bad they didn't play it at Re:mise.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-11-09 11:31 by Topi.
Re: Ghost town question
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: November 9, 2023 15:30
Great song! Wish Hackney Diamonds was more in this vein and Sweet Sounds of Heaven. Great groove, menacing, and tinged with low key ska.
Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
Shott
()
Date: October 19, 2024 01:08
Hi did that ever get resolved/settled perhaps? It was good live but they stopped playing it.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
()
Date: October 19, 2024 01:55
That was dismissed over a year ago.
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: October 19, 2024 02:15
Copyright lawsuit in March 2023 by Spanish musician Sergio Garcia Fernandez (stage name Angelslang) over ‘Living in a Ghost Town’ - [iorr.org] - but it was the wrong court: [iorr.org] , [Billboard.com] .
"Spanish musician cannot sue Mick Jagger and Keith Richards in Louisiana, (Aug 9, 2024)" - [VitalLaw.com] , [DigitalMusicNews.com] . Court document filed on 8-Aug-2024: [www.ca5.USCourts.gov] - (PDF).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-19 02:30 by Irix.
"Spanish musician cannot sue Mick Jagger and Keith Richards in Louisiana, (Aug 9, 2024)" - [VitalLaw.com] , [DigitalMusicNews.com] . Court document filed on 8-Aug-2024: [www.ca5.USCourts.gov] - (PDF).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-19 02:30 by Irix.
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 19, 2024 05:30
Ehhh... they were really reaching.
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
doitywoik
()
Date: October 19, 2024 08:17
Sounds nothing like Ghost Town to me. I guess they would have lost the law suit even if it had been admissible.
Rather sounds like a band who are trying to sound Stones-style (which is not in itself bad).
Rather sounds like a band who are trying to sound Stones-style (which is not in itself bad).
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
daniel t
()
Date: October 19, 2024 15:44
The only grounds for a law suit is that each song is as bad as the other...
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
LeonidP
()
Date: October 20, 2024 05:08
I hear the similarities!
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 20, 2024 05:39
Quote
LeonidP
I hear the similarities!
Of course. It is similar. But it's way off at the same time. Keith was on edge about Start Me Up sounding like someone - if this crap song was presented to him in any way he either did a fantastic job if lifting it or he never heard it.
How many times can one write in A minor? All of them. Angie, Miss You... on and on.
It's bland. The singer is horrendous. The structure is a bit wonky. There's some obvious posing going on. It's like they took Sister Morphine (same key), crossed it with Fingerprint File, and sped it up while not speeding up.
The singer should be embarrassed.
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: October 20, 2024 05:44
Start Me Up .... wasnt it All About You and then
later on they panicked about Anybody Seen My Babeee/Constant Cravings
ROCKMAN
later on they panicked about Anybody Seen My Babeee/Constant Cravings
ROCKMAN
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 20, 2024 07:13
i personally think it was just a coincidence
patick's song is pretty good though
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-20 07:25 by ProfessorWolf.
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 20, 2024 22:30
Apparently Patrick Alley didn't know who Mick Jagger was.
Lawsuit aside, there's zero similarities in the songs with the exception of, as Mick pointed out, seven words.
Lawsuit aside, there's zero similarities in the songs with the exception of, as Mick pointed out, seven words.
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 20, 2024 22:45
exactly
Re: Ghost Town Copywrite lawsuit
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 20, 2024 23:11
Quote
Rockman
Start Me Up .... wasnt it All About You and then
later on they panicked about Anybody Seen My Babeee/Constant Cravings
All About You - Keith was a little curious as to if he wrote it within himself.
That song was hanging around for 3 years. After researching to make sure it wasn't somebody else who wrote it, I finally decided that it must have been me. But... I am proud of it.
- Keith Richards, 1980-81
[timeisonourside.com]
His quip about Start Me Up was all in his head.
Anybody Seen My Baby... oddly there's nothing about the K.D. Lang moment on timeisonourside. Unless it's hiding somewhere not obvious.
Keith Richards shed light on the situation in his 2010 autobiography, Life:
“The writers’ credits under ‘Anybody Seen My Baby?’ include k.d. lang and a co-writer (Ben Mink). My daughter Angela and her friend were at Redlands, and I was playing the record, and they start singing this totally different song over it. They were hearing k.d. lang’s “Constant Craving.” It was Angela and her friend that copped it. And the record was about to come out in a week. Oh s–t, he’s lifted another one. I don’t think he’s ever done it deliberately; he’s just a sponge. So I had to call up … all of the heavy-duty lawyers, and I said, ‘Have this checked out right now. Otherwise, we’re going to be sued.’ And within 24 hours, I got a phone call: ‘You’re right.’ We had to include k.d. lang in the writing credits.”
[americansongwriter.com]
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 21, 2024 00:32
reading the quote about asmb from life
if babylon was a week from release then it would figure that they already had a ton of the cds already maufactured and ready to sell with the jagger/richards composer credit on them
what happened to those cds did some of them make it out or were they all destroyed?
if babylon was a week from release then it would figure that they already had a ton of the cds already maufactured and ready to sell with the jagger/richards composer credit on them
what happened to those cds did some of them make it out or were they all destroyed?
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 21, 2024 05:28
Quote
ProfessorWolf
reading the quote about asmb from life
if babylon was a week from release then it would figure that they already had a ton of the cds already maufactured and ready to sell with the jagger/richards composer credit on them
what happened to those cds did some of them make it out or were they all destroyed?
That's very interesting. Because that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, right?
I'm going to figure Keith is exaggerating a bit there, like he does at times, because I find it unlikely no one else figured it out it's so obvious. Once they finished the song someone must've noticed, which is months before the release of the single and LP.
Highly doubtful that Keith figured it out. It's something for him to admit such a thing, his position about Mick hearing A and saying "Hey listen to what I came up with" kind of thing like he's talked about, which is totally believable but... the timing is way off.
To Keith, a week or two weeks is probably two or three months. There's a lot of time between finishing the sessions and post-production. At least in 1997. Since then that time has shrunk.
As Treacle loves, if you live by the sword...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-22 21:54 by GasLightStreet.
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
georgie48
()
Date: October 21, 2024 13:26
Wasn't it Keith Richards who said that "the best song writers are those with the largest record collection" ?
The other day someone showed a part of Chuck Berry's song "You can't catch me" and compared it with a part of "Come together", written by John Lennon (okay, L/M). Interesting
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
The other day someone showed a part of Chuck Berry's song "You can't catch me" and compared it with a part of "Come together", written by John Lennon (okay, L/M). Interesting
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: October 21, 2024 13:50
Quote
ProfessorWolf
what happened to those cds did some of them make it out or were they all destroyed?
The CDs itself were probably not destroyed since they don't have songwriter credits on them. I've bought the B2B album in 1997 on release day as CD (made in the Netherlands by EMI Uden). The only mention of k.d. lang is in the booklet (above the lyrics and in the general credits). Maybe just the booklet was re-printed and it could be the same for the inlay of the CD single.
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: October 21, 2024 21:32
I don’t hear how those two songs sound similar enough to give her a writers credit.There are thousands of songs that sound similar Heartbreak Hotel and Yer Blues is one. It’s Only Rock n’ Roll sounds more like Bang the Gong than Anybody sounds like Constant Craving.Maybe they ought to retroactively give Marc Bolans estate a writer’s credit
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 22, 2024 03:37
Quote
georgie48
Wasn't it Keith Richards who said that "the best song writers are those with the largest record collection" ?
The other day someone showed a part of Chuck Berry's song "You can't catch me" and compared it with a part of "Come together", written by John Lennon (okay, L/M). Interesting
here come old flat top...
speaking of chuck berry
you know what keith says about stealing every lick he ever played from chuck?
well so did everyone else
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: October 22, 2024 11:04
Quote
ProfessorWolf
you know what keith says about stealing every lick he ever played from chuck?
well so did everyone else
Well, even Chuck stole every lick he played!
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 22, 2024 11:12
Quote
MathijsQuote
ProfessorWolf
you know what keith says about stealing every lick he ever played from chuck?
well so did everyone else
Well, even Chuck stole every lick he played!
Mathijs
yep i've heard t-bone walker and johnnie johnson play
Re: Track Talk: Living In A Ghost Town
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 23, 2024 19:03
Quote
Taylor1
I don’t hear how those two songs sound similar enough to give her a writers credit.There are thousands of songs that sound similar Heartbreak Hotel and Yer Blues is one. It’s Only Rock n’ Roll sounds more like Bang the Gong than Anybody sounds like Constant Craving.Maybe they ought to retroactively give Marc Bolans estate a writer’s credit
It's a matter of duration, a number of bars or measures, with a combination of notes and melody being interchangeable. The first part of the chorus is exactly the same as Constant Craving.
Question on Living in a Ghost Town
Posted by:
monkeymantoo
()
Date: May 5, 2025 12:47
When I play my CD single, it plays "Living in a Ghost Town" but displays the title as "Jar of Hearts" and the artist as "Christina Perri". Has anyone encountered the same issue? Any explanations welcome
Re: Question on Living in a Ghost Town
Posted by:
daniel t
()
Date: May 5, 2025 13:44
Can't believe someone still listening to Ghost Town...
Re: Question on Living in a Ghost Town
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: May 5, 2025 13:50
Quote
monkeymantoo
Any explanations welcome
If your player supports the CD-Text feature, the text data could be faulty. But there's nothing to find on the internet about such an error.
If your player is connected via network to the internet, it could mistakenly use an incorrect entry from an online CD database.
Re: Question on Living in a Ghost Town
Posted by:
monkeymantoo
()
Date: May 5, 2025 14:21
This is a local connection with 2 different CD players. I don't see this with any other CDs
Re: Question on Living in a Ghost Town
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: May 5, 2025 14:40
Quote
daniel t
Can't believe someone still listening to Ghost Town...
Other than at Hyde Park in 2022, I don’t think I’ve listened to the single since 2020, after downloading it. I didn’t particularly like the song then, and I certainly wouldn’t purposely listen to it, today.
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