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georgie48
Here you go, Doxa. Indeed, it's the audience that matters any and every time. Newspaper reporters are among the most subjective people one can think of. What matters to them is that as many people as possible read their story/opinion. Sometimes it results in a good article, but much too often not. Newspapers were originally created to report about news, not opinions. But just like many DJs/VJs etc., too many are no longer entertaining the audience but are merely promoting themselves, making themselves in to "stars".
Living In A Ghost Town is liked, loved, adored by a fast majority of Stones fans and even non-Stones fans. And that's what really matters.
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CaptainCorella
Right at the start of this thread, mention was made of comparisons (none really, other than a word or two in the title) with The Specials single of a similar name.
That single has now been listed in the UK Guardian as the second best No1 single ever.
For more... [www.theguardian.com]
The Guardian has taken a classical English attitude in making charts... the great good old tradition of NME, Melody Maker, etc. to emphasize not so obvious British acts by the cost of the acts making it too big internationally. The Specials song is a great one indeed, but c'mon... it is no "Satisfaction"... (I wonder how much the new single by the Stones helped to remember the significance of that old Specials hit.)
However, making it a bit more poshy English, they should have picked up "The Last Time" from The Stones - it actually sold more copies in UK than "Satisfaction" did, and it having such a breakthrough appeal there domestically as "Satisfaction" did internationally (read: in America)...
- Doxa
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CaptainCorella
Right at the start of this thread, mention was made of comparisons (none really, other than a word or two in the title) with The Specials single of a similar name.
That single has now been listed in the UK Guardian as the second best No1 single ever.
For more... [www.theguardian.com]
The Guardian has taken a classical English attitude in making charts... the great good old tradition of NME, Melody Maker, etc. to emphasize not so obvious British acts by the cost of the acts making it too big internationally. The Specials song is a great one indeed, but c'mon... it is no "Satisfaction"... (I wonder how much the new single by the Stones helped to remember the significance of that old Specials hit.)
However, making it a bit more poshy English, they should have picked up "The Last Time" from The Stones - it actually sold more copies in UK than "Satisfaction" did, and it having such a breakthrough appeal there domestically as "Satisfaction" did internationally (read: in America)...
- Doxa
Take the time to read the introduction to the list. See [www.theguardian.com]
You'll learn that it does not represent itself as anything other than the SUBJECTIVE view of a group of Guardian writers. That's upfront and fair enough in my view.
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Rockman
Awwwww yeah can remember the old greatest
albums of all time lists from say 20 years ago .....
UK would always be Sgt Pepper ...
While the USA would always be Thriller
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Doxa
But hell, I ask more from journalism!grinning smiley The Guardian should know better
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Rockman
Awwwww yeah can remember the old greatest
albums of all time lists from say 20 years ago .....
UK would always be Sgt Pepper ...
While the USA would always be Thriller
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Rockman
Awwwww yeah can remember the old greatest
albums of all time lists from say 20 years ago .....
UK would always be Sgt Pepper ...
While the USA would always be Thriller
There was a time when any UK greatest albums list would inevitably be won by Radiohead's OK Computer.
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Doxa
But hell, I ask more from journalism!grinning smiley The Guardian should know better
What did you expect? 25 Rolling Stones songs on the list? Did you read the introduction? Only once can an artist be represented on the list. And it's only number one positions on the list. The Rolling stones is represented on position 26 on their, subjective, list. One has to bear in mind that artists like Westlife, Take That, Calvin Harris, Spice Girls, Frankie Lane and Ed Sheeran were always more successful on the UK Top Hundred than The Rolling Stones. At least when we are talking number one hits. Which this list is about. The Rolling Stones had 8 number one hits on the UK Top Hundred. And they spent 18 weeks altogether on the list. Their last number one hit was in 1969 (HTW) by the way. More than 50 years ago. So the Guardian list isn't that hard on "our" group as we might think. In fact they are very close to the official statistics.
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Stoneage
Okay, Doxa. I guess those three journalists who put this list together aren't Stones fan boys (girls) to begin with. Those people exist. I accept that. It's their personal picks.
Whether they put Satisfaction on spot 13, 26 or 42 is not that important to me. It only reflects their personal tastes. My point was that there is a pop world outside
The Rolling Stones and that The Stones doesn't make it to the Top Ten of chart success on the UK Top Hundred.
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Stoneage
Okay, Doxa. I guess those three journalists who put this list together aren't Stones fan boys (girls) to begin with. Those people exist. I accept that. It's their personal picks.
Whether they put Satisfaction on spot 13, 26 or 42 is not that important to me. It only reflects their personal tastes. My point was that there is a pop world outside
The Rolling Stones and that The Stones doesn't make it to the Top Ten of chart success on the UK Top Hundred.
Ps. I have always loved the sake of argument. Not a fan of PC. On political sites to the right I always try the left argument. And vice versa. Not very smart, I know.
But, hopefully, I won't be accused of being opportunistic or doing lip service at least... Ds.
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Tiffanyblu: [en.wikipedia.org]
[www.officialcharts.com]
I'm sure there are other good links as well.
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tiffanyblu
So if they are going to do just an "greatest hits" concert based on Spotify streams the 19 songs would be:
Paint It, Black 434 100 601
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 317 164 387
Sympathy For The Devil 279 050 854
Gimme Shelter 277 145 861
Start Me Up 258 022 686
Beast Of Burden 193 939 737
Angie 151 580 169
Wild Horses 137 776 131
Brown Sugar 130 265 540
You Can't Always Get What You Want 99 849 995
Miss You 86 613 941
Honky Tonk Women 85 974 582
Under My Thumb 66 577 354
Jumpin' Jack Flash 66 549 764
Can't You Hear Me Knocking 49 051 137
Ruby Tuesday 44 784 562
She's A Rainbow 39 738 108
Tumbling Dice 36 413 751
Street Fighting Man 30 193 930
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tiffanyblu
So if they are going to do just an "greatest hits" concert based on Spotify streams the 19 songs would be:
Paint It, Black 434 100 601
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 317 164 387
Sympathy For The Devil 279 050 854
Gimme Shelter 277 145 861
Start Me Up 258 022 686
Beast Of Burden 193 939 737
Angie 151 580 169
Wild Horses 137 776 131
Brown Sugar 130 265 540
You Can't Always Get What You Want 99 849 995
Miss You 86 613 941
Honky Tonk Women 85 974 582
Under My Thumb 66 577 354
Jumpin' Jack Flash 66 549 764
Can't You Hear Me Knocking 49 051 137
Ruby Tuesday 44 784 562
She's A Rainbow 39 738 108
Tumbling Dice 36 413 751
Street Fighting Man 30 193 930
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For whatever reason I can not see any play figures for any artist on Spotify.
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Doxa
"Living In A Ghost Town" is nicely bubbling under. Surely it never - naturally and realistically - turned out to be any hit song to top the charts in today's streaming market, but it has gotten a some kind of peculiar recognition. It is funny, for example, to look at youtube how many different versions, and anything associated to it, is there. But to realize the nature of the distribution and media of hit songs of today, I got a nice reminder a week or so ago when I happened to have a meeting with a group of very young people - well, that were they to me, from 14 to 28.. - and we had this funny habit of each suggesting one favourite song to play from Spotify. I picked up "Living In A Ghost Town" and none of the youngsters ever had heard it. Well, they all liked it, even dance to it, but what was nice to my ears, they were surprised that it was a brandnew Stones song. It sounded really fresh and current to them, not anything quaint to them. But it is a sad state of affairs that there is no any way a song by some ancient act like the Stones have any chance to enter the Spotify song lists or suitable radio stations to achieve the ears of today's pop listeners. Someone needs to play it for them....
- Doxa
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tiffanyblu
So if they are going to do just an "greatest hits" concert based on Spotify streams the 19 songs would be:
Paint It, Black 434 100 601
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 317 164 387
Sympathy For The Devil 279 050 854
Gimme Shelter 277 145 861
Start Me Up 258 022 686
Beast Of Burden 193 939 737
Angie 151 580 169
Wild Horses 137 776 131
Brown Sugar 130 265 540
You Can't Always Get What You Want 99 849 995
Miss You 86 613 941
Honky Tonk Women 85 974 582
Under My Thumb 66 577 354
Jumpin' Jack Flash 66 549 764
Can't You Hear Me Knocking 49 051 137
Ruby Tuesday 44 784 562
She's A Rainbow 39 738 108
Tumbling Dice 36 413 751
Street Fighting Man 30 193 930