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NilsHolgersson
This year we had No Filter Tour (unfortunately it had to be cancelled ofcourse), One World: Together at Home performance, Living in a Ghost Town, Goats Head Soup reissue with Criss Cross, Scarlet & All the Rage, Steel Wheels Live album, Mick's film The Burnt Orange Heresy, there's now a Stones shop on Carnaby Street, the Stones brand is still very active, I'm sure there's room for a new album next year
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This year we had No Filter Tour (unfortunately it had to be cancelled ofcourse), One World: Together at Home performance, Living in a Ghost Town, Goats Head Soup reissue with Criss Cross, Scarlet & All the Rage, Steel Wheels Live album, Mick's film The Burnt Orange Heresy, there's now a Stones shop on Carnaby Street, the Stones brand is still very active, I'm sure there's room for a new album next year
There's been room for a new album for years now, yet the question is whether they can come up with the goods. Most people (including Charlie) would answer "of course, whats the big deal?",
yet somehow they've come up empty-handed as far as a brand new album. Seems there's been disagreements over the direction of material between Keith and Mick (Getta Grip, etc.), hitting the wall,
and the logistics of meeting at the studio which has only become much more difficult with the pandemic restrictions. Ghost Town and a variety of snippets released from Mick via twitter have been promising,
yet some of those ideas might already be forgotten and/or obsolete. Looking forward to a new single (or two) some day...maybe the 60th anniversary.........
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This year we had No Filter Tour (unfortunately it had to be cancelled ofcourse), One World: Together at Home performance, Living in a Ghost Town, Goats Head Soup reissue with Criss Cross, Scarlet & All the Rage, Steel Wheels Live album, Mick's film The Burnt Orange Heresy, there's now a Stones shop on Carnaby Street, the Stones brand is still very active, I'm sure there's room for a new album next year
There's been room for a new album for years now, yet the question is whether they can come up with the goods. Most people (including Charlie) would answer "of course, whats the big deal?",
yet somehow they've come up empty-handed as far as a brand new album. Seems there's been disagreements over the direction of material between Keith and Mick (Getta Grip, etc.), hitting the wall,
and the logistics of meeting at the studio which has only become much more difficult with the pandemic restrictions. Ghost Town and a variety of snippets released from Mick via twitter have been promising,
yet some of those ideas might already be forgotten and/or obsolete. Looking forward to a new single (or two) some day...maybe the 60th anniversary.........
most likely it will result in something like Grrr…, i.e. another greatest hits collection featuring two or maybe three newer songs… grrrrrrrrrrr
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Yes, the Band has turned into a Brand. And that's where it went wrong.
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MileHigh
No more greatest hits compilations, please. The first handful were legitimate, and then what followed after that was just milking the market for all it's worth. Capitalism and all that, I get it. But at the same time I find it embarrassing.
Like one day you are going to switch on the TV at 2:00 AM and there is going to be an hour-long infomercial on Rolling Stones hits compilations for the retirement home set. Remember those golden years? Call in the next 15 minutes and you can get Made in the Shade at 20% off...
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No more greatest hits compilations, please. The first handful were legitimate, and then what followed after that was just milking the market for all it's worth. Capitalism and all that, I get it. But at the same time I find it embarrassing.
Like one day you are going to switch on the TV at 2:00 AM and there is going to be an hour-long infomercial on Rolling Stones hits compilations for the retirement home set. Remember those golden years? Call in the next 15 minutes and you can get Made in the Shade at 20% off...
I agree with you, but hee, all established artists/bands do the same, so why make a fuzz. It's the record companies that milk the contracts, that's all. I simply don't buy all that extra-extra compilation stuff and focus on the really interesting stuff. The Rolling Stones made a big time record contract with Universal and part of it is the delivery of a number of new albums. The new one is still to come and will come, so it's all a matter of patience
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MileHigh
No more greatest hits compilations, please. The first handful were legitimate, and then what followed after that was just milking the market for all it's worth. Capitalism and all that, I get it. But at the same time I find it embarrassing.
Like one day you are going to switch on the TV at 2:00 AM and there is going to be an hour-long infomercial on Rolling Stones hits compilations for the retirement home set. Remember those golden years? Call in the next 15 minutes and you can get Made in the Shade at 20% off...
I agree with you, but hee, all established artists/bands do the same, so why make a fuzz. It's the record companies that milk the contracts, that's all. I simply don't buy all that extra-extra compilation stuff and focus on the really interesting stuff. The Rolling Stones made a big time record contract with Universal and part of it is the delivery of a number of new albums. The new one is still to come and will come, so it's all a matter of patience
AC/DC has never issued a greatest hits comp. Metallica doesn't have one. NIN, Beck and QOTSA don't have one either.
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paulspendel
Yes, the Band has turned into a Brand. And that's where it went wrong.
I guess it is not as easy as that. For when did the band not turn from band to brand, but rather double from band into band AND brand? Probably at the height of their career after the artistic turn in their development!
And where something went wrong, it was many years later, and it was not through somebody's unprovoked fault, but instead when the aging audiences, despite several renewals of their fanbase, were not longer capable of following the Stones. To me that was much related to the reception of UNDERCOVER. As a consequence the band almost disbanded during the complicated run of the following years.
Somehow, I wonder if it even was the brand that eventually saved the band from break up. Not as it often presented, out of the band's socalled greed as quite many will have it, but because their brand made it possible for them to go on living as rock musicians, even if they have had their long breaks of private life away from the limelight.
But the return, involving the professional turn of their career, especially live, had its cost and did not recover the thread of the musical development that they formerly had been in, and also was not without conflicts as to musical development.In addition, the band were given few incentives from outside to work hard in the studios with albums of new music.
The question now, however, is whether the band at the moment would be able AND willing to fulfill an album, say on the quality level of "Living in A Ghost Town". I belong to those that have that dream surpassing all wishes of experiencing further concerts. Well, setlists thoroughly inspired by such an album could completely change my attitude to attend more live concerts with the Stones than one.
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Yes, the Band has turned into a Brand. And that's where it went wrong.
I guess it is not as easy as that. For when did the band not turn from band to brand, but rather double from band into band AND brand? Probably at the height of their career after the artistic turn in their development!
And where something went wrong, it was many years later, and it was not through somebody's unprovoked fault, but instead when the aging audiences, despite several renewals of their fanbase, were not longer capable of following the Stones. To me that was much related to the reception of UNDERCOVER. As a consequence the band almost disbanded during the complicated run of the following years.
Somehow, I wonder if it even was the brand that eventually saved the band from break up. Not as it often presented, out of the band's socalled greed as quite many will have it, but because their brand made it possible for them to go on living as rock musicians, even if they have had their long breaks of private life away from the limelight.
But the return, involving the professional turn of their career, especially live, had its cost and did not recover the thread of the musical development that they formerly had been in, and also was not without conflicts as to musical development.In addition, the band were given few incentives from outside to work hard in the studios with albums of new music.
The question now, however, is whether the band at the moment would be able AND willing to fulfill an album, say on the quality level of "Living in A Ghost Town". I belong to those that have that dream surpassing all wishes of experiencing further concerts. Well, setlists thoroughly inspired by such an album could completely change my attitude to attend more live concerts with the Stones than one.
The only difference between us and the Beatles is that we're still going. So, unlike the Beatles' greatest-hits set [1] we felt we had to put on two or three new tracks in a "to be continued" kind of spirit. I didn't want it to be all just nostalgia.
- Keith Richards, July 2002
That seems like something Mick would say.
Mick: I think what's important to me is that I'm personally writing new songs and the band is cutting new songs...
(There's an) old- fashioned idea that you can only be good while you're unknown, and hopefully not having any money, and even better, slightly mentally ill. AND a drug addict - always helpful. That makes you interesting. It doesn't necessarily make your WORK more interesting. It tends to drop off if you're older and a drug addict and don't work hard. So if you become too bourgeois and only want to live a comfortable life, can you be bothered to get up in the morning and write a song? That's a valid criticism. I don't think it applies to me. Because I love writing songs - whether they're good or not is another matter - and I love working really, really hard. In the last five years, I've been working like a dog.
Certainly other artists love writing. Maybe Billy Joel has 300 hundred songs written. Etc. The criticism of older artists releasing new albums and that the material is whatever, well, it's no different from any other album - just a snapshot of the moment.
And... at least they released something new.
Clearly things have changed, though, in regard to them wanting to do new material. This might sum it up, the post-BABYLON Stones:
(W)e've got (new tracks) in the can, and in a way I'm going to try to work on them and see if there's an album in there or the beginnings of an album or what. It seems like there's a lot there and it was a very profitable and prolific month in Paris, so I'm not going to just let them sit in the can and forget about them. But at the moment I can't do anything but this. But once this tour gets going, maybe I'll find some time to start working on them.
- Keith Richards, August 2002
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Priorities. The 2002 LICKS sessions aside, since they apparently didn't seem to get back to those sessions, they went from 1997 to 2004 in regard to working on a new album. That's quite a gap and now it's into the longest gap ever, 16 years in September. As much as a Stones fan might grumble about that, for the Stones, it's been going on for so long they probably don't even notice, especially since they have 300 albums out and they've been doing their own Beach Boys tours the last 20 years or whatever.
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Beach Boys tours, GLS? Which Beach Boys? There have been a couple of Beach Boys going around, right? As an old Stones fan I understand your feelings toward the Rolling Stones. Patience is a damn difficult thing to deal with, for anybody. But it's all a matter of trust and confidence for us fans when it comes to what the Stones have in mind. There was, is, and always will be one (rock 'n roll) band called the Rolling Stones (not like Mike Love and his Sandy Boys calling themselves the Beach Boys, my goodness).
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No more greatest hits compilations, please. The first handful were legitimate, and then what followed after that was just milking the market for all it's worth. Capitalism and all that, I get it. But at the same time I find it embarrassing.
Like one day you are going to switch on the TV at 2:00 AM and there is going to be an hour-long infomercial on Rolling Stones hits compilations for the retirement home set. Remember those golden years? Call in the next 15 minutes and you can get Made in the Shade at 20% off...
I agree with you, but hee, all established artists/bands do the same, so why make a fuzz. It's the record companies that milk the contracts, that's all. I simply don't buy all that extra-extra compilation stuff and focus on the really interesting stuff. The Rolling Stones made a big time record contract with Universal and part of it is the delivery of a number of new albums. The new one is still to come and will come, so it's all a matter of patience
AC/DC has never issued a greatest hits comp. Metallica doesn't have one. NIN, Beck and QOTSA don't have one either.
These aren't acts with many hits, though. I point this out, as there can be a distinct difference between a ‘Greatest Hits’ and a ‘Best-Of’ If they had the latter, I may be more inclined to investigate their music.
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MileHigh
No more greatest hits compilations, please. The first handful were legitimate, and then what followed after that was just milking the market for all it's worth. Capitalism and all that, I get it. But at the same time I find it embarrassing.
Like one day you are going to switch on the TV at 2:00 AM and there is going to be an hour-long infomercial on Rolling Stones hits compilations for the retirement home set. Remember those golden years? Call in the next 15 minutes and you can get Made in the Shade at 20% off...
I agree with you, but hee, all established artists/bands do the same, so why make a fuzz. It's the record companies that milk the contracts, that's all. I simply don't buy all that extra-extra compilation stuff and focus on the really interesting stuff. The Rolling Stones made a big time record contract with Universal and part of it is the delivery of a number of new albums. The new one is still to come and will come, so it's all a matter of patience
AC/DC has never issued a greatest hits comp. Metallica doesn't have one. NIN, Beck and QOTSA don't have one either.
These aren't acts with many hits, though. I point this out, as there can be a distinct difference between a ‘Greatest Hits’ and a ‘Best-Of’ If they had the latter, I may be more inclined to investigate their music.
AC/DC put out a box-set + live album(s)...
the box set is probably way too much AC/DC for a lot of people (and not cheap)
however, AC/DC Live is basically the same thing as a "Greatest Hits" (or "Best Of")....try that one! (there's BonFire for those more inclined to the Bon Scott Era)
As per Stones: I'm fine w/ another GRR or Licks w/ 2-3 new tunes....as long as I don't have to buy the entire album to get them.
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There are a fair number of artists who seem to find writing and recording rewarding enough to keep doing it without regard to commercial or cultural impact (Paul Simon, Neil Young) and others, like the Stones, who seem to need the culture and the marketplace to be interested for them to continue.
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There are a fair number of artists who seem to find writing and recording rewarding enough to keep doing it without regard to commercial or cultural impact (Paul Simon, Neil Young) and others, like the Stones, who seem to need the culture and the marketplace to be interested for them to continue.