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MileHigh
Nobody is saying that they have to stop touring. But in life there are times when you turn a page. If they turned the page on touring then people should not get upset and respect their choice.
You can imagine that there would be a lot of soul searching on this board if they did a new-style major tour of 15 to 25 stadium shows and there was some kind of disaster. Whitney Houston tried a comeback tour towards the end and she was all screwed up and she couldn't sing and people were upset and walking out of her shows. She got scathing reviews. I would hate to see something like that happen to our boys. Apparently Steven Tyler has fallen off the stage multiple times. Ten feet down onto a concrete floor would not be good.
If Charlie says no, then so be it. And when you think about it, he is the one that is probably the most prone to having a heart attack. An 81-year-old man doing a two-hour outdoor show on a hot and humid summer day? Come on. Yes, the air conditioning can break down 15 minutes before the start of the show. Imagine the soul searching if he didn't make it through a concert.
There are real issues to contemplate. You know the old cliche of the audience's desire for more and more and pushing the performer over the edge. It's the phenomenon of mob mentality and abandoning individual responsibility and then suffering the consequences. Don't forget that was part of Elvis Presley's demise. He had to tour to keep the whole operation going and to keep paying his posse because he had no real money and without touring the whole thing was going to collapse.
What I am really saying is try to take a look at both sides of the equation.
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MileHigh
Nobody is saying that they have to stop touring. But in life there are times when you turn a page. If they turned the page on touring then people should not get upset and respect their choice.
You can imagine that there would be a lot of soul searching on this board if they did a new-style major tour of 15 to 25 stadium shows and there was some kind of disaster. Whitney Houston tried a comeback tour towards the end and she was all screwed up and she couldn't sing and people were upset and walking out of her shows. She got scathing reviews. I would hate to see something like that happen to our boys. Apparently Steven Tyler has fallen off the stage multiple times. Ten feet down onto a concrete floor would not be good.
If Charlie says no, then so be it. And when you think about it, he is the one that is probably the most prone to having a heart attack. An 81-year-old man doing a two-hour outdoor show on a hot and humid summer day? Come on. Yes, the air conditioning can break down 15 minutes before the start of the show. Imagine the soul searching if he didn't make it through a concert.
There are real issues to contemplate. You know the old cliche of the audience's desire for more and more and pushing the performer over the edge. It's the phenomenon of mob mentality and abandoning individual responsibility and then suffering the consequences. Don't forget that was part of Elvis Presley's demise. He had to tour to keep the whole operation going and to keep paying his posse because he had no real money and without touring the whole thing was going to collapse.
What I am really saying is try to take a look at both sides of the equation.
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and dont forget that Keef
slipped on frankfurter lobbed on stage while playing a concert in Frankfurt, ..
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The Rolling Stones will never pull the plug on performing live or recording. They just have to wait out the pandemic. It will take a year or so, then they will be back.
Why? What's the point? They have played the same setlist with 50 year old hits now for decades. Why carry on with that when you're 80? Isn't it getting a bit stale by now? Even for you, BV?
Because they love what they do. Unlike some others, I love them for what they do. Every single live Gimme Shelter, Street Fighting Man, Midnight Rambler and so is like the first one for me. Just like I don't get bored of my wife and my family, I don't get bored of the Stones.
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Stoneage
Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment then. There is an irony in this. The same man who couldn't imagine himself playing Satisfaction over and over again when he turned 40 is not doing exactly that reaching 80. The same man who broke up the band in the early 80's because he thought they were too old is now touring with the same band playing exactly the same songs over and over again. The same man who constantly wanted to be in the frontline, following trends is now stuck in a 1972 time capsule. The same man who insisted it was essential to have a new album out before touring once again has now toured for decades on the same 1968 to 1972 albums. Do you follow me? Do you see the irony?
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Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment then. There is an irony in this. The same man who couldn't imagine himself playing Satisfaction over and over again when he turned 40 is not doing exactly that reaching 80. The same man who broke up the band in the early 80's because he thought they were too old is now touring with the same band playing exactly the same songs over and over again. The same man who constantly wanted to be in the frontline, following trends is now stuck in a 1972 time capsule. The same man who insisted it was essential to have a new album out before touring once again has now toured for decades on the same 1968 to 1972 albums. Do you follow me? Do you see the irony?
It is not an irony on Mick Jagger's behalf though. Instead it represents his resignation to the conservatism of the large audiences of Rolling Stones concerts.
But somehow it is an irony on the behalf of those passionate fans, who earlier experienced a developing Rolling Stones, and who so much would have wished for continued development of the Rolling Stones, but who are outnumbered by the large audiences.
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Stoneage
Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment then. There is an irony in this. The same man who couldn't imagine himself playing Satisfaction over and over again when he turned 40 is not doing exactly that reaching 80. The same man who broke up the band in the early 80's because he thought they were too old is now touring with the same band playing exactly the same songs over and over again. The same man who constantly wanted to be in the frontline, following trends is now stuck in a 1972 time capsule. The same man who insisted it was essential to have a new album out before touring once again has now toured for decades on the same 1968 to 1972 albums. Do you follow me? Do you see the irony?
It is not an irony on Mick Jagger's behalf though. Instead it represents his resignation to the conservatism of the large audiences of Rolling Stones concerts.
But somehow it is an irony on the behalf of those passionate fans, who earlier experienced a developing Rolling Stones, and who so much would have wished for continued development of the Rolling Stones, but who are outnumbered by the large audiences.
I like your "outnumbering" quote, because that's what it is. I spoke to Pierre de Beauport in 1999 in Maastricht (before the Landgraaf concert). He was wondering what motivated diehard fans to go to Stones concerts to listen to the mostly "old songs". He also said that the Stones basically had no choice but to focus with their setlist on the outnumbering number of visitors who would only "know" the Stones from their greatest hits.
But the Stones "came back" on this with this great Licks Tour including club shows! Great set lists!
By the way, Mick never dismantled or broke up the Stones in the early 80s, Stoneage. Rubbish. It was merely a household clash that solved itself in the end
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bv
A very simple question:
If, after three years years with no touring, if The Rolling Stones arranged for a new show in 2022, in your own home city, would you go, or would you rather stay at home, doing something else?
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bv
A very simple question: If, after three years years with no touring, if The Rolling Stones arranged for a new show in 2022, in your own home city, would you go, or would you rather stay at home, doing something else?
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bv
A very simple question:
If, after three years years with no touring, if The Rolling Stones arranged for a new show in 2022, in your own home city, would you go, or would you rather stay at home, doing something else?
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bv
A very simple question:
If, after three years years with no touring, if The Rolling Stones arranged for a new show in 2022, in your own home city, would you go, or would you rather stay at home, doing something else?
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Stoneage
Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment then. There is an irony in this. The same man who couldn't imagine himself playing Satisfaction over and over again when he turned 40 is not doing exactly that reaching 80. The same man who broke up the band in the early 80's because he thought they were too old is now touring with the same band playing exactly the same songs over and over again. The same man who constantly wanted to be in the frontline, following trends is now stuck in a 1972 time capsule. The same man who insisted it was essential to have a new album out before touring once again has now toured for decades on the same 1968 to 1972 albums. Do you follow me? Do you see the irony?
It is not an irony on Mick Jagger's behalf though. Instead it represents his resignation to the conservatism of the large audiences of Rolling Stones concerts.
But somehow it is an irony on the behalf of those passionate fans, who earlier experienced a developing Rolling Stones, and who so much would have wished for continued development of the Rolling Stones, but who are outnumbered by the large audiences.
I like your "outnumbering" quote, because that's what it is. I spoke to Pierre de Beauport in 1999 in Maastricht (before the Landgraaf concert). He was wondering what motivated diehard fans to go to Stones concerts to listen to the mostly "old songs". He also said that the Stones basically had no choice but to focus with their setlist on the outnumbering number of visitors who would only "know" the Stones from their greatest hits.
But the Stones "came back" on this with this great Licks Tour including club shows! Great set lists!
By the way, Mick never dismantled or broke up the Stones in the early 80s, Stoneage. Rubbish. It was merely a household clash that solved itself in the end
Interesting, Georgie! Because they 'came back' that very same year on the NS arena tour with lots of deep cuts in the setlist
And that tour must have inspired them to do the Licks tour concept, surely?
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Rockman
if The Rolling Stones arranged for a new show in 2022, in your own home city, would you go, or would you rather stay at home, doing something else?
They can stay at my home for free ....
I'd even help build the stage ..........