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Whale
One more question.
I wanted to buy the japanese CD to have the two extra songs.
There was a german webshop I believe where you can do that.
Can somebody point me to the right item?
Same question for the San Jose CD.
Thanks!
[www.jpc.de]
as above + t-shirt
[www.jpc.de]
San Jose Bluray+2CD
[www.jpc.de]
They do not have Japanese version of Goats Head Soup with bonus tracks. For that you should go to cdjapan or amazon Japan
[www.amazon.co.jp]
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
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I wanted to buy the japanese CD to have the two extra songs.
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I like it. But the video? Now, I’m a red blooded male. But that’s crass from a band pushing into their 80s. Do they really think in 2020, that’s appropriate?
I remember many of us squirmed with Keith’s “Bare your breasts And let me feel at home” line, at his age, from This Place is Empty in 2005. 15 years later we get this tawdry video...
After the refreshing Living in a ghost Town video, this one is dreadful.
But I like the song.
For me, it is not that I'm a prude, I just think that the video is pointless. Here you are the Rolling Stones who are showcasing (arguably) one of their better outtake/rarities for the world to hear for the first time, and you match it up with a T & A video coming from guys in their 70's...C'mon!
i went back all the way to page whatever of this thread just looking for opinions on that video. I guess it's not for everyone, just like the Stones themselves. Going out on a limb I assume there was A LOT of thought put into this one especially compared to the Ghost Town video. Not much appreciation from the superfans makes me appreciate it just that much more.
and btw we're calling them 80somethings now, just like that?
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I like it. But the video? Now, I’m a red blooded male. But that’s crass from a band pushing into their 80s. Do they really think in 2020, that’s appropriate?
I remember many of us squirmed with Keith’s “Bare your breasts And let me feel at home” line, at his age, from This Place is Empty in 2005. 15 years later we get this tawdry video...
After the refreshing Living in a ghost Town video, this one is dreadful.
But I like the song.
For me, it is not that I'm a prude, I just think that the video is pointless. Here you are the Rolling Stones who are showcasing (arguably) one of their better outtake/rarities for the world to hear for the first time, and you match it up with a T & A video coming from guys in their 70's...C'mon!
i went back all the way to page whatever of this thread just looking for opinions on that video. I guess it's not for everyone, just like the Stones themselves. Going out on a limb I assume there was A LOT of thought put into this one especially compared to the Ghost Town video. Not much appreciation from the superfans makes me appreciate it just that much more.
and btw we're calling them 80somethings now, just like that?
I see some have forgotten who the Stones are.
They never said they'd grow old gracefully.
Why does anyone give a shit if a skinny goofy hot young chick is in a video? Don't watch it then. Is there some rule that when one gets to a certain age they can't like sex anymore? Appropriate?
When have The Rolling Stones ever been "appropriate"? They may be old men but it seems they still "are not worried about petty morals".
There is no shocking anymore. The only people that have complained about the Stones video having some young hot chick in it are right here at iorr. Apparently everywhere else no one else gives a shit.
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I like it. But the video? Now, I’m a red blooded male. But that’s crass from a band pushing into their 80s. Do they really think in 2020, that’s appropriate?
I remember many of us squirmed with Keith’s “Bare your breasts And let me feel at home” line, at his age, from This Place is Empty in 2005. 15 years later we get this tawdry video...
After the refreshing Living in a ghost Town video, this one is dreadful.
But I like the song.
For me, it is not that I'm a prude, I just think that the video is pointless. Here you are the Rolling Stones who are showcasing (arguably) one of their better outtake/rarities for the world to hear for the first time, and you match it up with a T & A video coming from guys in their 70's...C'mon!
i went back all the way to page whatever of this thread just looking for opinions on that video. I guess it's not for everyone, just like the Stones themselves. Going out on a limb I assume there was A LOT of thought put into this one especially compared to the Ghost Town video. Not much appreciation from the superfans makes me appreciate it just that much more.
and btw we're calling them 80somethings now, just like that?
I see some have forgotten who the Stones are.
They never said they'd grow old gracefully.
Why does anyone give a shit if a skinny goofy hot young chick is in a video? Don't watch it then. Is there some rule that when one gets to a certain age they can't like sex anymore? Appropriate?
When have The Rolling Stones ever been "appropriate"? They may be old men but it seems they still "are not worried about petty morals".
There is no shocking anymore. The only people that have complained about the Stones video having some young hot chick in it are right here at iorr. Apparently everywhere else no one else gives a shit.
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24FPS
Ordered the GHS new stereo mix on SHM CD. I was going to wait until I could get a hold of the Blu Ray, but I've since heard it's not worth it.
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Whale
One more question.
I wanted to buy the japanese CD to have the two extra songs.
There was a german webshop I believe where you can do that.
Can somebody point me to the right item?
Same question for the San Jose CD.
Thanks!
[www.jpc.de]
as above + t-shirt
[www.jpc.de]
San Jose Bluray+2CD
[www.jpc.de]
They do not have Japanese version of Goats Head Soup with bonus tracks. For that you should go to cdjapan or amazon Japan
[www.amazon.co.jp]
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Thanks!
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Is the only way to get the Japanese bonus tracks on the expensive version?
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VoodooLounge13
Are they not available on a cheaper version?
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VoodooLounge13
Do any of the other Vault releases have bonus tracks in Japan? Not the separate Ward releases - those are a whole other animal!!!
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24FPS
Wow! Last night I listened to the 2020 Stereo remix on a Japanese SHM CD. This is NOT the Goats Head Soup I remember from 1973. Back then I was disappointed at how uneven the sound was. How the songs weren't quite up to snuff. Hearing it 'improved' makes it a whole new album.
The SHM new stereo mix version creates a sonic aura that simply wasn't there before. You can hear all the instruments cleanly, and not muddied up like before. The biggest revelation from hearing it this way? This is Mick Taylor's finest album with the Stones. For the most part his bass on Dancing With Mr. D. is fantastic, as is just about everything else he plays on almost every song.
Another thing I've never heard gone into in much detail is the absence of Bill Wyman. Three cuts? That's it. He's an absolute artist on Angie, but there's precious little of him on the album. I thought he was there when they recorded the album. Did they wipe most of his stuff and replace it with Keith or Mick Taylor?
I used to find Silver Train annoying. It just didn't seem to go anywhere. In this version it's almost funky. The album has always been a bit controversial, but now I get it. The Stones created a soul album. They knew they had to move away from the harder rock sound, to be viable artistically. (Which they followed up with tongue in cheek, almost comical album in It's Only Rock and Roll).
Some songs just can be spruced up. 'Can You Hear The Music' still doesn't cut it, for me. And there's not a lot you do to 'Star Star'. But overall this is a great album. Much better than IORR, Black and Blue, or Emotional Rescue.
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I like it. But the video? Now, I’m a red blooded male. But that’s crass from a band pushing into their 80s. Do they really think in 2020, that’s appropriate?
I remember many of us squirmed with Keith’s “Bare your breasts And let me feel at home” line, at his age, from This Place is Empty in 2005. 15 years later we get this tawdry video...
After the refreshing Living in a ghost Town video, this one is dreadful.
But I like the song.
For me, it is not that I'm a prude, I just think that the video is pointless. Here you are the Rolling Stones who are showcasing (arguably) one of their better outtake/rarities for the world to hear for the first time, and you match it up with a T & A video coming from guys in their 70's...C'mon!
i went back all the way to page whatever of this thread just looking for opinions on that video. I guess it's not for everyone, just like the Stones themselves. Going out on a limb I assume there was A LOT of thought put into this one especially compared to the Ghost Town video. Not much appreciation from the superfans makes me appreciate it just that much more.
and btw we're calling them 80somethings now, just like that?
I see some have forgotten who the Stones are.
They never said they'd grow old gracefully.
Why does anyone give a shit if a skinny goofy hot young chick is in a video? Don't watch it then. Is there some rule that when one gets to a certain age they can't like sex anymore? Appropriate?
When have The Rolling Stones ever been "appropriate"? They may be old men but it seems they still "are not worried about petty morals".
There is no shocking anymore. The only people that have complained about the Stones video having some young hot chick in it are right here at iorr. Apparently everywhere else no one else gives a shit.
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.... I hope Martin would do IORR album
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Doxa
GOATS HEAD SOUP Deluxe edition has been now out three weeks. Let's have a look how it is doing in Spotify. Thankfully, chartmasters - by the example of Spotify I guess - is treating the reissue as an individual relaese, so its streams are still seperated from the streams of the old release.
The whole brandnew GHS box has now gained 10,0 million streams (9,988,524 to be precise). Add there about 0,5m from a separate "Scarlet" Single Mix release.
The 'new' tracks are clearly the biggest 'hits'; here we are talking streams in millions.
"Scarlet": 3,9m (2,2 + 1,1 (WOD mix) + 0,1 (Killers mix) + 0,5 (single mix))
"Criss Cross": 1,9m
"All The Rage": 1,5m
Then - long, long way behind - comes the original remixed tracks. We better talk in thousands now. They rank from 121,1k ("Can You Hear The Music"?) to 231,4k streams ("Dancing With Mr. D").
The next 'category' in popularity is the alternative versions. The most popular is Piano Demo version of "100 Years Ago" with its 110,7k streams, followed by intrumental versions of "Mr. D" (89,4k) and "Heartbreaker" (88,9k). And then "Hide Your Love" (83,7k). Of the Johns mixes, "Mr. D" (119,5k) is the most popular, followed by "Silver Train" (88,5k) and "Heartbreaker" (86,4k).
The last category is clearly BRUSSELS AFFAIR. The live cuts are streamed between 83,1k ("Brown Sugar") and 40,5k ("Rip This Joint"). It could be that this legendary live gem is hidden in the GHS release. If it be an seperate, more profilic relaese, it would be discovered more easily. But I wouldn't be surprised that in the long run this category will be do much better in future.
So what we could say of its streaming popularity?
Surely we cannot with its 10,5m streams in three weeks talk about any big hit album if compared to contemporary acts, but still I would say it is doing rather okay. If we compare to what some other 'old farts' are doing in Spotify, The Who's brandnew studio album WHO from last year has been streamed by about equal amount (10,2m), its biggest 'hit' "Ball And Chain" having 2.2m streams, and only two other tracks over 1 million. Dylan's new ROUGH AND ROWDY WAYS has been streamed about twice as much by now (20,7m), each track over 1 million streams, biggest being "I Contain Multitudes" (3,6m).
Of course, The Stones themselves are a hard act to 'beat'. With its two versions "Living In A Ghost Town" has 19,7 million streams alone. Their last studio album BLUE & LONESOME has as huge as 72,2 million streams (tracks varying from 3,2m of "Just Like I Treat You" to 12,6m of "Hate To See You Go"). Even its little brother, the archives release ON AIR, with not much chart history, has now nice 22,5 million streams, with several tracks over 1 million.
Lastly an observation: as the streaming popularity of any 'new' track - "Ghost Town", "Scarlet", "Criss Cross", "All The Rage", all the B&L tracks - show, there is a clear interest, if not even demand, for brandnew Stones music, and not so much on re-mixes or alternative versions of old tracks... knock knock... (however, there is one big exception to a rule: Acoustic Version of "Wild Horses" from STICKY FINGERS Deluxe version has incredible 20,6 million streams!)
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GOATS HEAD SOUP Deluxe edition has been now out three weeks. Let's have a look how it is doing in Spotify. Thankfully, chartmasters - by the example of Spotify I guess - is treating the reissue as an individual relaese, so its streams are still seperated from the streams of the old release.
The whole brandnew GHS box has now gained 10,0 million streams (9,988,524 to be precise). Add there about 0,5m from a separate "Scarlet" Single Mix release.
The 'new' tracks are clearly the biggest 'hits'; here we are talking streams in millions.
"Scarlet": 3,9m (2,2 + 1,1 (WOD mix) + 0,1 (Killers mix) + 0,5 (single mix))
"Criss Cross": 1,9m
"All The Rage": 1,5m
Then - long, long way behind - comes the original remixed tracks. We better talk in thousands now. They rank from 121,1k ("Can You Hear The Music"?) to 231,4k streams ("Dancing With Mr. D").
The next 'category' in popularity is the alternative versions. The most popular is Piano Demo version of "100 Years Ago" with its 110,7k streams, followed by intrumental versions of "Mr. D" (89,4k) and "Heartbreaker" (88,9k). And then "Hide Your Love" (83,7k). Of the Johns mixes, "Mr. D" (119,5k) is the most popular, followed by "Silver Train" (88,5k) and "Heartbreaker" (86,4k).
The last category is clearly BRUSSELS AFFAIR. The live cuts are streamed between 83,1k ("Brown Sugar") and 40,5k ("Rip This Joint"). It could be that this legendary live gem is hidden in the GHS release. If it be an seperate, more profilic relaese, it would be discovered more easily. But I wouldn't be surprised that in the long run this category will be do much better in future.
So what we could say of its streaming popularity?
Surely we cannot with its 10,5m streams in three weeks talk about any big hit album if compared to contemporary acts, but still I would say it is doing rather okay. If we compare to what some other 'old farts' are doing in Spotify, The Who's brandnew studio album WHO from last year has been streamed by about equal amount (10,2m), its biggest 'hit' "Ball And Chain" having 2.2m streams, and only two other tracks over 1 million. Dylan's new ROUGH AND ROWDY WAYS has been streamed about twice as much by now (20,7m), each track over 1 million streams, biggest being "I Contain Multitudes" (3,6m).
Of course, The Stones themselves are a hard act to 'beat'. With its two versions "Living In A Ghost Town" has 19,7 million streams alone. Their last studio album BLUE & LONESOME has as huge as 72,2 million streams (tracks varying from 3,2m of "Just Like I Treat You" to 12,6m of "Hate To See You Go"). Even its little brother, the archives release ON AIR, with not much chart history, has now nice 22,5 million streams, with several tracks over 1 million.
Lastly an observation: as the streaming popularity of any 'new' track - "Ghost Town", "Scarlet", "Criss Cross", "All The Rage", all the B&L tracks - show, there is a clear interest, if not even demand, for brandnew Stones music, and not so much on re-mixes or alternative versions of old tracks... knock knock... (however, there is one big exception to a rule: Acoustic Version of "Wild Horses" from STICKY FINGERS Deluxe version has incredible 20,6 million streams!)
- Doxa
It's been roughly two months since I wrote the above. So it's time to reflect more what kind of success GOATS HEAD SOUP Reissue has been in Spotify world.
A quick answer: not much any kind of. Its point seemingly is, like generally is with catalogue artists, its physical sales (in all different kinds of packages die hard fans and completists seeking for). The money is there.
A long answer: two months ago, after three weeks its relaese, the album had 10,5 million streams, now 13,8 million streams (I include there 0,5 million of extra version of "Scarlet" not officially/technically included in the album).
Here are the numbers reflecting the categories I made above:
1. Scarlet: 4,8m (2,8 + 0,2 + 1,3 + 0,5)
2. Criss Cross: 2,2m
3. All The Rage: 2,1m
Normal tracks: from 400k (Angie) to 197k (Star Star)
Alternative versions: from 167k (100 Years Ago) to 130k (Heartbreaker)
Brussels Affair: from 119k (Brown Sugar) to 59k (Rip This Joint)
The new tracks gather some interest, but the rest - well, not even countable in streaming business really. Doesn't look like the album gather much interest outside Rolling Stones diehard fan circles (and occasional Zeppelin fans I guess in regard to "Scarlet"). And for them the only interest lies in new tracks - probably the 'old' album and BRUSSELS AFFAIR are just way too obvious and familiar stuff to get excited again.
Now, let us compare these numbers to their other reissues, of which STICKY FINGERS is the most comparable, since it was released during a proper streaming era (EXILE and SOME GIRLS quite not yet). The extra material of STICKY FINGERS didn't offer any new songs, but the alternative versions have done very well:
1. Wild Horses (Acoustic version): 20,9m
2. Brown Sugar (Clapton version): 4,6m
3. Can't You Hear Me Knocking (Alt. version): 2,5m
4. Dead Flowers (Alt. version): 1,7m
5. Bitch (Extended version): 1,6m
The Roundhouse live tracks: from 1,0m (Midnight Rambler) to 740k (Live With Me)
The Leeds live tracks: from 441k (Jumpin' Jack Flash) to 233k (Live With Me)
With Leeds stuff we can see the similar phenomenon as with Brussels material: probably way too familiar for diehards. But with Roundhouse it is different.
What goes for the other two releases, we have to remember that both EXILE and SOME GIRLS didn't gain much from the hype over a new product. But here are the rough numbers for them:
EXILE
1. Plundered My Soul: 1,9m
2. Pass the Wine: 1,1m
3. Following The River: 1,0m
The rest: from 915k (Dancing In The Light) to 650k (Soul Survivor - Alt. Take)
SOME GIRLS
1. No Spare Parts: 732k
2. Do You Think I Really Care: 506k
3. Claudine: 426k
The rest: from 390k (We Had It All) to 255k (Petrol Blues)
Although EXILE stuff clearly is more popular, both bonus albums are pretty forgotten deals in Spotify world.
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interesting. Still there's at least one problem in comparing streaming numbers: GHS has been released just two month ago, the other re-issues a couple of years ago. Plus the numbers of people who use streaming has explodes ever since. Any meaningful comparison has to relate to these facts in one way or the other. For example: what were the numbers for streaming SF during the first two month of its release in relation to the people using spotify in those days…?
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Obviously having a band on Spotify (etc) that's been around a long time versus a new band that hasn't (I can personally attest to that) is going to generate interest no matter what.
Led Zeppelin and U2 each have a song with just under 500 million streams. AC/DC has 3 over 600 million.
If something is considered at hit is it generally Spotify that's looked at? That seems to be the one that most people wonder about. I haven't heard anyone say Apple Music outloud, yet alone Tidal or Amazon, it's always Spotify.