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Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: March 23, 2021 19:49

Captain, you're not alone. To be honest I don't notice any differences. Even if it's there I guess I'm not caring much.confused smiley

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: March 23, 2021 20:37

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Captain Teague
Am I the only one on this board who thinks that the three Glyn Johns remixes are a waste of disc space? Given the recent FFSO leak, there were more interesting recordings available for real fans which the expanded release was aimed at.

Maybe. The Glyn Johns mixes (they're not remixes) are within the context of the album and what they were going through at the time. It's not superfluous. One of them is even edited oddly. And there's still plenty of room on disc 2 for other tracks, almost 40 minutes of room.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: March 24, 2021 01:33

It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?

Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.

Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Date: March 24, 2021 10:15

Remixing Exile must be a pain in the butt for an engineer.

It's too big a task, I guess. Even though it's a bit "muddy", it's a fine-tuned machinery and a puzzle you don't wanna do again.

GHS was more up for grabs, with its "lifeless" sound (there are individual exceptions, though).

Perhaps the music on Exile "needs" that "muddy" quality to it, to be what it is?

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: March 24, 2021 15:40

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DandelionPowderman
Remixing Exile must be a pain in the butt for an engineer.

It's too big a task, I guess. Even though it's a bit "muddy", it's a fine-tuned machinery and a puzzle you don't wanna do again.

GHS was more up for grabs, with its "lifeless" sound (there are individual exceptions, though).

Perhaps the music on Exile "needs" that "muddy" quality to it, to be what it is?

Exactly so Dandy !.

I must have about ten different vinyl pressings and/or masterings of Exile and I can't honestly say which is the best overall.
With a good turntable you can really hear into the mix with some versions [a late 70s Electrola pressing being a good example] ...but the clean and clear ones don't tend to kick quite enough ass when in the mood for dancin'winking smiley
Little comes close the original Artisan pressing in that respect.
Of the recent releases, the Miles Showell master from flat digital files for the boxed set is pretty good ...with bass lines being more clearly resolved than with most versions.

GHS on the other hand has always sounded like bit you're listening through about ten of those shrouds the band are hiding behind on the cover !

The new remaster isn't faultless ...but it does provide a refreshing new angle

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: DiamondDog7 ()
Date: March 25, 2021 11:13

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GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?

Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.

Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.

EVERY 'special reissue' of a Rolling Stones record is a lost oppurtunity!!! ;-)

The only good one IMO was Exile on Main Street! With exception of some tracks (new vocals by Jagger).
There are so many unreleased tracks/demos that haven't been used or mastered for these boxsets. Some of them are being destroyed by new vocals and lyrics by Jagger, like All That Rage, So Divine! Awful. Just awful!

And how about the Half Speed masters? Here's a critic who shares his thoughts about these releases. He has some good points:

video: [www.youtube.com]


And he summerize it good; "There is no love for these (vinyl) releases!" The same goes for all those boxsets unfortunately.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-03-25 11:48 by DiamondDog7.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Date: March 25, 2021 11:50

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DiamondDog7
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GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?

Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.

Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.

EVERY 'special reissue' of a Rolling Stones record is a lost oppurtunity!!! ;-)

The only good one IMO was Exile on Main Street! With exception of some tracks (new vocals by Jagger).
There are so many unreleased tracks/demos that haven't been used or mastered for these boxsets. Some of them are being destroyed by new vocals and lyrics by Jagger, like All That Rage, So Divine! Awful. Just awful!

And how about the Half Speed masters? Here's a critic who shares his thoughts about these releases. He has some good points:

video: [www.youtube.com]


And he summerize it good; "There is no love for these (vinyl) releases!" The same goes for all those boxsets unfortunately.

I strongly disagree. And I wouldn't call the Sticky Fingers Super Deluxe-set a "lost opportunity". It was fantastic!

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4
Posted by: DiamondDog7 ()
Date: March 25, 2021 11:53

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DandelionPowderman
Quote
DiamondDog7
Quote
GasLightStreet
It's interesting to me that GOATS HEAD SOUP got a second life because of Giles Martin remixing it plus the extra material. What might be more interesting is that nothing else got that treatment. Sure, EXILE has the crumbs of extras and SOME GIRLS a little more and the same with STICKY FINGERS. But new life into an album?

Four Beatles albums have had that (the last four important ones). It's fascinating. Lost opportunity? I suppose no one will ever know why BEGGARS, BLEED, FINGERS, EXILE or SOME GIRLS didn't get new mixes (remixed). Didn't Mick say he didn't like the mix of EXILE? Maybe he actually doesn't mind it. Of course, it's really a matter of if he could be bothered.

Time is going by faster and faster for anything else to happen. Hopefully they do it sooner rather than never.

EVERY 'special reissue' of a Rolling Stones record is a lost oppurtunity!!! ;-)

The only good one IMO was Exile on Main Street! With exception of some tracks (new vocals by Jagger).
There are so many unreleased tracks/demos that haven't been used or mastered for these boxsets. Some of them are being destroyed by new vocals and lyrics by Jagger, like All That Rage, So Divine! Awful. Just awful!

And how about the Half Speed masters? Here's a critic who shares his thoughts about these releases. He has some good points:

video: [www.youtube.com]


And he summerize it good; "There is no love for these (vinyl) releases!" The same goes for all those boxsets unfortunately.

I strongly disagree. And I wouldn't call the Sticky Fingers Super Deluxe-set a "lost opportunity". It was fantastic!

I agree. Sorry, I forgot that one. Sticky Fingers box was enjoyable.

Re: Goats Head Soup Reissue - out September 4, 2020
Posted by: DiamondDog7 ()
Date: March 25, 2021 11:55

Another video about the Half Speed remasters:

video: [youtu.be]

Very interesting. I believe this guy. Please give it a chance to hear his opinion.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-03-25 11:56 by DiamondDog7.

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