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Delta variant is mostly giving mild, cold-like symptoms, especially to vaccinated individuals. There is no concern about it if you have taken a vaccine already - just look at pure statistics. Death toll in the UK is extremely low, this is not a deadly virus anymore, not now when we have the vaccines widely available in Europe or the US. Hence, no reason to continue with all restrictions if vaccination rates are at 50%+ levels.
It is not deadly for those vaccinated. Right now only a few countries fit that bill. The US as a whole is in the middle but for every highly vaccinated location there is another with vaccination rates only slightly higher than a third world country. There will likely be another deadly wave before this is truly done then it will simmer for years.
As has been pointed out already in this thread, several of the cities on the tour itinerary fall in to the latter category of very low vaccination rates.
From NPR:
"There still are big portions of the country where the rates of vaccination are quite low. And, in fact, the Helix paper shows that this Delta variant
is increasing in frequency — the speed at which it's increasing in frequency is greatest in those areas where vaccination rates are lowest." - Dr. Jeremy Luban
The projections indicate that infections could start to rise again as soon as some time in July, especially if the vaccination campaign continues to stall.
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wickerman
Delta variant is mostly giving mild, cold-like symptoms, especially to vaccinated individuals. There is no concern about it if you have taken a vaccine already - just look at pure statistics. Death toll in the UK is extremely low, this is not a deadly virus anymore, not now when we have the vaccines widely available in Europe or the US. Hence, no reason to continue with all restrictions if vaccination rates are at 50%+ levels.
It is not deadly for those vaccinated. Right now only a few countries fit that bill. The US as a whole is in the middle but for every highly vaccinated location there is another with vaccination rates only slightly higher than a third world country. There will likely be another deadly wave before this is truly done then it will simmer for years.
As has been pointed out already in this thread, several of the cities on the tour itinerary fall in to the latter category of very low vaccination rates.
From NPR:
"There still are big portions of the country where the rates of vaccination are quite low. And, in fact, the Helix paper shows that this Delta variant
is increasing in frequency — the speed at which it's increasing in frequency is greatest in those areas where vaccination rates are lowest." - Dr. Jeremy Luban
The projections indicate that infections could start to rise again as soon as some time in July, especially if the vaccination campaign continues to stall.
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wickerman
Delta variant is mostly giving mild, cold-like symptoms, especially to vaccinated individuals. There is no concern about it if you have taken a vaccine already - just look at pure statistics. Death toll in the UK is extremely low, this is not a deadly virus anymore, not now when we have the vaccines widely available in Europe or the US. Hence, no reason to continue with all restrictions if vaccination rates are at 50%+ levels.
It is not deadly for those vaccinated. Right now only a few countries fit that bill. The US as a whole is in the middle but for every highly vaccinated location there is another with vaccination rates only slightly higher than a third world country. There will likely be another deadly wave before this is truly done then it will simmer for years.
As has been pointed out already in this thread, several of the cities on the tour itinerary fall in to the latter category of very low vaccination rates.
From NPR:
"There still are big portions of the country where the rates of vaccination are quite low. And, in fact, the Helix paper shows that this Delta variant
is increasing in frequency — the speed at which it's increasing in frequency is greatest in those areas where vaccination rates are lowest." - Dr. Jeremy Luban
The projections indicate that infections could start to rise again as soon as some time in July, especially if the vaccination campaign continues to stall.
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So.... then those anti-vaxers at this point will be anti-vaxers next year or will have contracted Covid by then and STILL not have antibody levels high enough to protect against a second infection. It will be a pandemic of the unvaccinated... No need to wait to get this tour started. Mick would not have talked about it already if Ronnie wasnt ready as someone else pointed out.
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DGA35
Georgia Straight website in Vancouver says there's a major concert announcement tomorrow for BC Place. Steve Newton wrote the article and he's guessing it might be AC/DC although he has no inside information. Steve is the reporter who first broke the news that AC/DC was in Vancouver recording their last album.
Just in case it's a Stones announcement, I went on ticketmaster to repurchase tickets!
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GasLightStreet
There's a shortage is so many things. New cars because of computer chips - with is pathetic. Ship containers. Wood. Buckets.
Maybe there's a shortage in union labor that builds the stages in the stadiums in the US because of the COVID enhanced Fed unemployment (a bump to the state unemployment payments), which ends the last day of June, 6-30-2021.
Or maybe because it's millions of dollars to rent the stadiums for the tour, the NFL teams have priority and scheduling is complete, that they're in negotiations. Or they already have had it finished and are just waiting on insurance approval.
Or maybe it's something else.
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Georgia Straight website in Vancouver says there's a major concert announcement tomorrow for BC Place. Steve Newton wrote the article and he's guessing it might be AC/DC although he has no inside information. Steve is the reporter who first broke the news that AC/DC was in Vancouver recording their last album.
Just in case it's a Stones announcement, I went on ticketmaster to repurchase tickets!
It's going to be Elton John. He's announcing a bunch of shows on June 23.
That photo in social gives it away - Elton's logo on the field.
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IanBillen: I still don't think it makes sense for them, from a pure financial standpoint, to just cancel the postponed 2020 tour now. There's a reason it has been postponed this long. And that reason is money. Far too much of it on the table for all the parties involved for just to say "screw it".
As far as Ronnie's health, consider this: if Ronnie wasn't healthy enough to go back on, why would Mick go on record (in the French interview) saying they're trying to reschedule the US tour for this fall already? Just a thought.
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I am hoping one of those legs will be South America, Buenos Aires in particular.
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I am hoping one of those legs will be South America, Buenos Aires in particular.
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IanBillen: I still don't think it makes sense for them, from a pure financial standpoint, to just cancel the postponed 2020 tour now. There's a reason it has been postponed this long. And that reason is money. Far too much of it on the table for all the parties involved for just to say "screw it".
As far as Ronnie's health, consider this: if Ronnie wasn't healthy enough to go back on, why would Mick go on record (in the French interview) saying they're trying to reschedule the US tour for this fall already? Just a thought.
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Oh .. I was not aware Mick said this or of any French Interview. I figured there was a major hang up so they may have to / choose to let this tour go finally and plan for next year under mostly the same basic cities .. but new name for tour plus album ... So the same parties would be involved was my thought.
Could be a reschedule but new name with a few shows added or removed / re-arranged was my thinking.
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IanBillen: I still don't think it makes sense for them, from a pure financial standpoint, to just cancel the postponed 2020 tour now. There's a reason it has been postponed this long. And that reason is money. Far too much of it on the table for all the parties involved for just to say "screw it".
As far as Ronnie's health, consider this: if Ronnie wasn't healthy enough to go back on, why would Mick go on record (in the French interview) saying they're trying to reschedule the US tour for this fall already? Just a thought.
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Oh .. I was not aware Mick said this or of any French Interview. I figured there was a major hang up so they may have to / choose to let this tour go finally and plan for next year under mostly the same basic cities .. but new name for tour plus album ... So the same parties would be involved was my thought.
Could be a reschedule but new name with a few shows added or removed / re-arranged was my thinking.
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Yes, what I'm saying is that the US tour is something they have already agreed to do, they're contractually bound to finish it. And as far as parties go, obviously the US promoters are totally different entities from the European/UK ones.
I don't see the point of just letting the postponed US tour go just as society is finally opening back up again for outdoor concerts in the US. Sure, logistics/visas and the like may still pose a problem for them to do the tour this year.
Again I fully admit I have no idea what kind of out clauses they may have in their contracts. But from a contractual/legal standpoint I fail to see how the Stones could just cancel with "party A" so they could plan and book another tour with "party B". Also, cancelling and rebooking "the same basic cities" makes zero sense. Cancelling some cities out of the original itinerary is an entirely another matter, of course.
But just cancelling the US tour now after all this time would just mean losing money. Not just the Stones, but also the promoters, the venues - as I said, all the parties involved. They won't want that to happen. This is precisely why things have been postponed for almost 18 months now - they are waiting it out, ready to perform as soon as it's deemed safe to do so again.
Oh, wait, I guess it's already been 18 months - the postponement was announced on March 17!
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MisterDDDD
Just looked at Vancouver tickets to see tix available etc.
No tix available for the pits or the sections surrounding the stage etc.
Lots of tix available, but the better sections with none or few around the arena.
Pretty good example I think of how many kept their tix (plenty,) myself included.
Not as optimistic for my Lucky Dips, which I am holding for several shows incl Van.
Not sure why, I was spoiled in '19, lucky dips turning into Pit tickets left and right. (like 6 out of 8 shows)
Post pandemic may be different, just a gut feeling that they may be allocated to less preferred spots, hope not
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Just looked at Vancouver tickets to see tix available etc.
No tix available for the pits or the sections surrounding the stage etc.
Lots of tix available, but the better sections with none or few around the arena.
Pretty good example I think of how many kept their tix (plenty,) myself included.
Not as optimistic for my Lucky Dips, which I am holding for several shows incl Van.
Not sure why, I was spoiled in '19, lucky dips turning into Pit tickets left and right. (like 6 out of 8 shows)
Post pandemic may be different, just a gut feeling that they may be allocated to less preferred spots, hope not
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angee
Topi: "Question is, do they really need to do that with the majority of the tickets sold?"
Would you tell me where this information came from? I trust this takes into account all the tickets refunded since the initial postponement.
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Rokyfan
Haven't the vast majority of ticket buyers obtained refunds by now? I'm sure there's no way to know, but I imagine very few people still hold tickets.
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TumblinDice76
Still have my tickets too. Didn't make much sense to get a refund for me. If they reschedule, I already have my tickets, if they cancel, well then no need to be on the phone with Ticketmaster, my credit card gets refunded with no work by me. Pretty easy to see how many people hung on to their tickets go to each venue on Ticketmaster and see how many tickets are available. The blue dots will tell the story. Not sure I understand the thought process of getting a refund for a postponed show unless you bought tix to multiple shows and/or bought expensive seats up close.