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Re: OT: The Irishman
Date: December 2, 2019 10:01

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Honestman
Oh my my that make up used for the trio confused smiley

It could have worked fine some twenty years ago or so, but c'mon now it's pathetic in the best case.
Even the brutal scene of De Niro kickin' the guy in front of his daughter look lame.
It simply ruin the whole movie. Dommage !
LOL, yes Pascal I thought that too in the scene. I was like "Are they going to make a good old fashioned DeNiro ass-whooping all politically correct too?"

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 2, 2019 12:56



Sight & Sound …… November 2019

ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Wroclaw ()
Date: December 2, 2019 13:35

Much like many I was in high anticipation for this movie – pretty much anxious to see is MS will be able to re create all those ‘magical’ movie moments all his fans know from ‘Goodfellas’ and other films… you know… all those 90 seconds clips with a famous song/tune at the back ground that later make that song merged with the movie dialogue forever (like the Layla instrumental part and the famous garbage truck/meat truck at Goodfellas). Its kind of childish, I guess, but then that’s what it is…

I’ve watched the movie once already (lost a few minutes falling asleep during the last 30 mins of the film as I was really tired and watched it in my bed late in the evening…). I guess all know already there wont be, probably, any ‘funny guy’ youtube clips with millions of ‘likes’ and 100 versions running around. Its not that kind of movie. Its just not that kind of movie. I loved it – now watching it (in segments) for the 2nd time. Still didn’t feel like it’s the type of film I’ll be rushing out of the cinema, missing a bus, because I need to call a friend and say ‘you must see this movie’ – lets put it like this. Struggled for a while to find the right words in which I’ll be describing the film… I guess that the best would be :

‘Requiem for the 20th century’. Anyone who spent at least 2 decades ‘in’ the 20th century will know what the movie talks about. For people who were born from the mid 80’s and after: I guess it will seem to pretty much like an ‘oldie’ new movie. The reality – and that includes also the respectable yet non esthetic was in which older people used to look like until the 1990’s – described in the ‘Irishman’ is that of a world that is pretty much just history now: though many of us who were born into it are definitely around.



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: December 2, 2019 13:49

DEmerson wrote:"I’ve watched it a couple times - I think it's terrific but I do have a question: anyone have a theory as to why Pesci takes DeNiro’s glasses before he gets on the plane?"

That's easy Mr D, it is because when you gotta whack a good friend of yours, you want him to see your eyes so he doesn't get suspicious. Sheeran coming up to Hoffa with shades on? Big risk, Hoffa might suspect something's not right with his old friend.

You ever getting in business with these co**suckers ya better make sure they can see your eyes and you better play your part to perfection. Trust a pro.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: duke richardson ()
Date: December 2, 2019 15:40

John Dean shows up in it.. from 1973.. he's still on the scene..

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Maindefender ()
Date: December 2, 2019 15:53

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John Dean shows up in it.. from 1973.. he's still on the scene..

One of the funnier scenes because it focused on his hot wife.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: duke richardson ()
Date: December 2, 2019 16:32

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creepy Todd from Breaking Bad is in it...

Now he's also creepy Todd from El Camino. Poor guy, I don't think he'll ever not seem creepy to me now.

yes..he's a scene stealer.. a really good actor, Jesse Plemmons

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Jeter1984 ()
Date: December 2, 2019 16:49

The music in Casino is pretty dam good. Really enjoyed The Irishman though, will probably watch it again.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: oldschool ()
Date: December 2, 2019 17:20

Being a big fan of mob movies I was looking forward to this movie and while I enjoyed it for the most part I was underwhelmed.

I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.

I was not a fan of the actual picture quality at times as it reminded me of the dreaded soap opera effect LCD TV's create with their motion smoothing function when switched on.

Also felt the secondary character development was a bit lacking at times.

I will have to watch it again but IMHO it is not a classic like the Godfather, Goodfellas, Casino or even Donnie Brasco.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 2, 2019 20:38

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oldschool
I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.
That's interesting...I found the de-aging incredibly obtrusive and distracting at times. Joe Pesci's upper lip in particular looked like he was stung by a swarm of bees at times.

CGI effects are simply a tool in a filmmaker's box of tricks, and not even the best are 100% seamless, but this de-aging trickery did detract from my overall enjoyment of the film.

I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: December 2, 2019 22:36

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I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.

Agree, he likely was not trying to do the same thing as the others. But I've seen Godfather at least 20 times (#1, that is), Goodfellas at least 6 or 7. I don't see myself watching The Irishman again.

I was entertained, I watched it through to the end, definitely interesting as I never knew much about Jimmy Hoffa other than he disappeared and was never found (and possibly buried in cement in Giants/Meadowlands stadium).

Also, I wonder how much of it is fiction? The failed attempt to kill him from the movie, specifically .... I looked up info on a couple different websites about Jimmy Hoffa and never found anything about this previous attempt to kill him.

** Edit ... BTW, did anyone else find it annoying that somehow the Irishman's daughter somehow magically was able to deduce that he had a role in Hoffa's disappearance? Just because he didn't phone Hoffa's wife?
They show her giving him the evil eye, and then never speaks to him again - yet how come nobody else would have known (and why wouldn't she have told other family members)?



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Date: December 2, 2019 22:55

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I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.
That's interesting...I found the de-aging incredibly obtrusive and distracting at times. Joe Pesci's upper lip in particular looked like he was stung by a swarm of bees at times.

CGI effects are simply a tool in a filmmaker's box of tricks, and not even the best are 100% seamless, but this de-aging trickery did detract from my overall enjoyment of the film.

I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.
The de-aging thing: I think I was expecting miracles. So I was underwhelmed. But it only makes sense: you can change a man's face; even change it well. But the body language, and posture will remain the same. De Niro looked almost comical as a 'young' lad in black cap, because his body is very much one of an older man. And I still can't get over the ass-kicking scene. That was so lame.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:03



Sight & Sound ……. November 2019

ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:13

Martin Scorsese on The Irishman: 'Please, please don’t look at it on a phone'


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:18

YES …. see it on the BIG screen ….

ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:22

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I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.
That's interesting...I found the de-aging incredibly obtrusive and distracting at times. Joe Pesci's upper lip in particular looked like he was stung by a swarm of bees at times.

CGI effects are simply a tool in a filmmaker's box of tricks, and not even the best are 100% seamless, but this de-aging trickery did detract from my overall enjoyment of the film.

I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.
The de-aging thing: I think I was expecting miracles. So I was underwhelmed. But it only makes sense: you can change a man's face; even change it well. But the body language, and posture will remain the same. De Niro looked almost comical as a 'young' lad in black cap, because his body is very much one of an older man. And I still can't get over the ass-kicking scene. That was so lame.
Yeah, that scene was pretty embarrassing.

Compare that beating to the epic, stomach-churning assault of Billy Batts in Goodfellas, or Pesci kicking and stabbing a guy repeatedly with De Niro's fountain pen in Casino.

De Niro and Pacino said they had posture coaches to help them move like younger versions of themselves, but how exactly is that supposed to work?? If you're 75, you're 75. No amount of coaching is going to make you suddenly able to move around like you're 40.



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:23

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Rockman
YES …. see it on the BIG screen ….

You mean the 50" or 65" tv?

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:36

.... no Sil …. Cinema screen

ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: oldschool ()
Date: December 2, 2019 23:46

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I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.
That's interesting...I found the de-aging incredibly obtrusive and distracting at times. Joe Pesci's upper lip in particular looked like he was stung by a swarm of bees at times.

CGI effects are simply a tool in a filmmaker's box of tricks, and not even the best are 100% seamless, but this de-aging trickery did detract from my overall enjoyment of the film.

I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.

Interesting, I wonder if it would have been as noticeable to you if you had not heard about it ahead of time?

That being said I did watch it on my Panasonic 65" HD Plasma so maybe it would have been more noticeable if I had seen it in a theater on the big screen.

In any case I will watch the movie again and see if it is more noticeable to me and if it bothers me. Still feel this was not one of Scorcese's best movies or Pesci and De Niro's better acting performances. I found their acting to be a little stiff and flat. I did think Pacino had some life in him and was the best of the bunch. Maybe age is finally catching up with them.



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 3, 2019 00:46

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I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.
That's interesting...I found the de-aging incredibly obtrusive and distracting at times. Joe Pesci's upper lip in particular looked like he was stung by a swarm of bees at times.

CGI effects are simply a tool in a filmmaker's box of tricks, and not even the best are 100% seamless, but this de-aging trickery did detract from my overall enjoyment of the film.

I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.

Interesting, I wonder if it would have been as noticeable to you if you had not heard about it ahead of time?

That being said I did watch it on my Panasonic 65" HD Plasma so maybe it would have been more noticeable if I had seen it in a theater on the big screen.

In any case I will watch the movie again and see if it is more noticeable to me and if it bothers me. Still feel this was not one of Scorcese's best movies or Pesci and De Niro's better acting performances. I found their acting to be a little stiff and flat. I did think Pacino had some life in him and was the best of the bunch. Maybe age is finally catching up with them.
Well it's impossible to know now, but the effect was so obvious at times that I feel like I would have noticed it either way. There were some moments when it was relatively seamless, mostly during static shots of their still faces. When there was significant motion involved, the distortion of their features became extremely noticeable.

I'm actually surprised by all the accolades this film is getting. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Scorsese fan, and I love De Niro, Pacino, Pesci, etc., but it feels like they're getting all this praise based on their monumental film legacies.

Taking the film on its own merits, I just don't see a classic here. There are moments of greatness, but it can't hold a candle to Scorsese's best work.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: December 3, 2019 00:59

If I'm being honest, I found it to be depressing. But I respect it as a well made film.



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: December 3, 2019 01:11

…., yeah well Goodfellas … Casino … Cape Fear
Taxi Driver weren't exactly what ya'd call comedies

ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: oldschool ()
Date: December 3, 2019 01:13

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I did not mind the de-aging and thought it was very subtle. If the prerelease press had not made a big deal about it I might not even have noticed.
That's interesting...I found the de-aging incredibly obtrusive and distracting at times. Joe Pesci's upper lip in particular looked like he was stung by a swarm of bees at times.

CGI effects are simply a tool in a filmmaker's box of tricks, and not even the best are 100% seamless, but this de-aging trickery did detract from my overall enjoyment of the film.

I haven't finished the film yet, but it's clearly not in the Godfather/Goodfellas all-time mob pantheon, but I don't think that's what Scorsese was aiming for. This is a much different film.

Interesting, I wonder if it would have been as noticeable to you if you had not heard about it ahead of time?

That being said I did watch it on my Panasonic 65" HD Plasma so maybe it would have been more noticeable if I had seen it in a theater on the big screen.

In any case I will watch the movie again and see if it is more noticeable to me and if it bothers me. Still feel this was not one of Scorcese's best movies or Pesci and De Niro's better acting performances. I found their acting to be a little stiff and flat. I did think Pacino had some life in him and was the best of the bunch. Maybe age is finally catching up with them.
Well it's impossible to know now, but the effect was so obvious at times that I feel like I would have noticed it either way. There were some moments when it was relatively seamless, mostly during static shots of their still faces. When there was significant motion involved, the distortion of their features became extremely noticeable.

I'm actually surprised by all the accolades this film is getting. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Scorsese fan, and I love De Niro, Pacino, Pesci, etc., but it feels like they're getting all this praise based on their monumental film legacies.

Taking the film on its own merits, I just don't see a classic here. There are moments of greatness, but it can't hold a candle to Scorsese's best work.

You know now that you mention it I did notice a blurring of the faces with fast motion. I thought it was my cable signal as Plasma's don't have the usual blurring like LCD TV's. I will have to look for this next time I watch the movie.

I agree with you I think the Scorcese and actors legacy is helping the raving reviews but I still enjoyed it for what it was.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: December 3, 2019 01:17

yeah well Goodfellas … Casino … Cape Fear
Taxi Driver weren't exactly what ya'd call comedies


I thought those were rom-coms, no?



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: December 3, 2019 03:37

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.... no Sil …. Cinema screen

I know, I'm just joking with ya. Have you seen the Joker yet?

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: DeanGoodman ()
Date: December 3, 2019 04:11

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Rockman
…., yeah well Goodfellas … Casino … Cape Fear
Taxi Driver weren't exactly what ya'd call comedies

Don Rickles getting beaten up with a telephone receiver was pretty funny. But seriously, Goodfellas and Casino had an awful lot of absurdity and stupidity, which certainly felt comic. Emperor's New Clothes, I mean, The Irishman, was as stiff as Hoffa's corpse



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: December 3, 2019 04:34

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Even the brutal scene of De Niro kickin' the guy in front of his daughter look lame.
It simply ruin the whole movie. Dommage !
LOL, yes Pascal I thought that too in the scene. I was like "Are they going to make a good old fashioned DeNiro ass-whooping all politically correct too?"

DeNiro dragging his daughter to the corner shop reminded me of when he dragged his young son to the social club in "A Bronx Tale" to confront Sonny. Now that scene was brilliant. Even though the outcomes were different the premise in "The Irishman" was the same. It felt very awkward watching it.

Remember when Pesci makes a cameo at the end of "A Bronx Tale" in the funeral home to talk to C.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 3, 2019 04:40

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Even the brutal scene of De Niro kickin' the guy in front of his daughter look lame.
It simply ruin the whole movie. Dommage !
LOL, yes Pascal I thought that too in the scene. I was like "Are they going to make a good old fashioned DeNiro ass-whooping all politically correct too?"

DeNiro dragging his daughter to the corner shop reminded me of when he dragged his young son to the social club in "A Bronx Tale" to confront Sonny. Now that scene was brilliant. Even though the outcomes were different the premise in "The Irishman" was the same. It felt very awkward watching it.

Remember when Pesci makes a cameo at the end of "A Bronx Tale" in the funeral home to talk to C.
Ah, A Bronx Tale...now that's a movie that doesn't get talked about enough. Great film...it's definitely De Niro's homage to his pal Scorsese, but great in its own right.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 3, 2019 04:44

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…., yeah well Goodfellas … Casino … Cape Fear
Taxi Driver weren't exactly what ya'd call comedies

Don Rickles getting beaten up with a telephone receiver was pretty funny. But seriously, Goodfellas and Casino had an awful lot of absurdity and stupidity, which certainly felt comic. Emperor's New Clothes, I mean, The Irishman, was as stiff as Hoffa's corpse
I saw Casino with a couple of friends in high school...the theater wasn't too crowded, but there was a group of older women sitting a few rows in front of us who kept gasping in horror when Pesci let loose with the profanity or a spasm of violence occurred.

We were like, okay, you actively sought out a Martin Scorsese movie starting Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci, and you're SHOCKED by the language and violence?? What the HELL were you expecting to see?

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: December 3, 2019 06:30

Watched it last night, took a break for about 30 minutes after 2hrs. I enjoyed it, definitely needs a second watch at some point. Got a good laugh outta the godfather theme popping up badly out of tune in a few scenes. There was a lot of actors from previous Scorsese movies in it also in different places. I thought the conversation with the daughter could have been better or longer but, he wasn’t that kinda guy I guess.

Any movie i see called “The Irishman” should be a documentary on Phil Lynott and no one else.

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