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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Bungo ()
Date: January 8, 2020 16:18

Man, I must have watched Once Upon A Time In Hollywood at least 10 times. So many details to catch. The acting, the soundtrack, the wardrobes, the sets, the action sequences ...... there's just so much to see in each scene that you have to watch it several times to soak it all in. This is Tarantino's masterpiece. Anything he does after this will just be a footnote.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: January 8, 2020 19:39

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LeonidP
What about Richard Jewell?

I guess it didn't do well in the box office, but it is fantastic!

Clint Eastwood comes through again, I highly recommend this film!

Let's hope it's a bit better than "The Mule" which was painfully dreadful. Latter-day Eastwood by the number ("negro" dykes" hey Clint is a rebel you know...) and the ubplot with the wife is the worst thing he's done since the films with "Clyde" the ape. confused smiley

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: January 8, 2020 19:59

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dcba
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LeonidP
What about Richard Jewell?

I guess it didn't do well in the box office, but it is fantastic!

Clint Eastwood comes through again, I highly recommend this film!

Let's hope it's a bit better than "The Mule" which was painfully dreadful. Latter-day Eastwood by the number ("negro" dykes" hey Clint is a rebel you know...) and the ubplot with the wife is the worst thing he's done since the films with "Clyde" the ape. confused smiley

I actually liked The Mule! I also liked Gran Torino, and do realize that the Mule is pretty close to a Gran Torino part II.

Clint Eastwood is pretty close to 100% for me! I can't think of a movie offhand that I don't like (maybe those ones w/ the oragatangs but it's been so long since I've seen those, i don't recall if i liked them or not).

All time Eastwood favorite ... Unforgiven!!



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Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: January 8, 2020 20:32

Clint is going to be 90 in a few months.

Yeah, he's very hit or miss these days, but to still be cranking out, on average, one film every 1-2 years at his age is remarkable.

I enjoyed Sully very much, even though it was a complete fiction...the NTSB didn't harass Sullenberger as portrayed in the film, and even Tom Hanks said that Sullenberger objected to the portrayal.

I think it came down to (a) the film needed an antagonist, so a fictitious one was invented, and (b) given Eastwood's libertarian politics, making the federal government the villain is second nature to him.

He did the same thing with Richard Jewell, smearing the character that Olivia Wilde portrayed. I don't think that's why the film failed, but it made me not want to see it after reading about the lies in the film.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: January 8, 2020 21:06

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keefriff99
Clint is going to be 90 in a few months.

Yeah, he's very hit or miss these days, but to still be cranking out, on average, one film every 1-2 years at his age is remarkable.

I enjoyed Sully very much, even though it was a complete fiction...the NTSB didn't harass Sullenberger as portrayed in the film, and even Tom Hanks said that Sullenberger objected to the portrayal.

I think it came down to (a) the film needed an antagonist, so a fictitious one was invented, and (b) given Eastwood's libertarian politics, making the federal government the villain is second nature to him.

He did the same thing with Richard Jewell, smearing the character that Olivia Wilde portrayed. I don't think that's why the film failed, but it made me not want to see it after reading about the lies in the film.

Actually Richard Jewel is amazingly accurate. There were several things in the film I questioned (such as events of the bomb discovery, all the press, his lawyer's tactics, etc. which I thought were exaggerated) when I saw it, but looked them up afterwards and saw it pretty much happened exactly as portrayed.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: January 8, 2020 21:16

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LeonidP
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keefriff99
Clint is going to be 90 in a few months.

Yeah, he's very hit or miss these days, but to still be cranking out, on average, one film every 1-2 years at his age is remarkable.

I enjoyed Sully very much, even though it was a complete fiction...the NTSB didn't harass Sullenberger as portrayed in the film, and even Tom Hanks said that Sullenberger objected to the portrayal.

I think it came down to (a) the film needed an antagonist, so a fictitious one was invented, and (b) given Eastwood's libertarian politics, making the federal government the villain is second nature to him.

He did the same thing with Richard Jewell, smearing the character that Olivia Wilde portrayed. I don't think that's why the film failed, but it made me not want to see it after reading about the lies in the film.

Actually Richard Jewel is amazingly accurate. There were several things in the film I questioned (such as events of the bomb discovery, all the press, his lawyer's tactics, etc. which I thought were exaggerated) when I saw it, but looked them up afterwards and saw it pretty much happened exactly as portrayed.
What happened to Jewell was tragic...I'm referring specifically to the Kathy Scruggs character:

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Variety
If you want to know what happened in the Richard Jewell saga, you could do worse than watch “Richard Jewell.” You could also do better, since the film tells two lies. One of them is factual: the suggestion that Kathy Scruggs, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter played by Olivia Wilde, slept with her source — in the film, an FBI agent named Tom Shaw (Jon Hamm), who is actually a composite character. The sexual liaison between them is treated as her half of a quid pro quo; in return, Shaw passes on the tip that Jewell is the suspect the FBI is investigating. Scruggs writes a story saying just that, which turns Jewell (and the implication of his guilt) into a global news event.

But according to various sources, including Kevin Riley, the current editor-in-chief of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, there’s no truth to the notion that Kathy Scruggs ever slept with a source. She was, as described in a report in Vanity Fair, a hard-nosed, flamboyant fixture of the AJC newsroom who had an edgy side to her (she died, in 2001, of an overdose). But her integrity as a reporter was highly respected.

Billy Ray, the screenwriter of “Richard Jewell,” and Warner Bros., the studio distributing it, have defended the movie by taking a page from the current political moment. They’ve doubled down on their misrepresentation, attacking their accusers without addressing, in any detail, the falsehood that they’re accused of telling. The Warner Bros. statement reads, in part: “It is unfortunate and the ultimate irony that the Atlanta Journal Constitution, having been a part of the rush to judgment of Richard Jewell, is now trying to malign our filmmakers and cast…The AJC’s claims are baseless and we will vigorously defend against them.” Billy Ray says, “The movie isn’t about Kathy Scruggs. It’s about the heroism and hounding of Richard Jewell, and what rushed reporting can do to an innocent man. And by the way, I will stand by every word and assertion in the script.”

The controversy over the movie’s depiction of Kathy Scruggs now extends to the issue of whether Olivia Wilde, who plays her, should have agreed to take on the role in the first place. Wilde has defended her decision, writing on Twitter, “I was asked to play the supporting role of Kathy Scruggs, who was, by all accounts, bold, smart, and fearlessly undeterred by the challenge of being a female reporter in the south in the 1990s…The perspective of the fictional dramatization of the story, as I understood it, was that Kathy, and the FBI agent who leaked false information to her, were in a pre-existing romantic relationship, not a transactional exchange of sex for information.”

[variety.com]

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: BluzDude ()
Date: January 8, 2020 21:22

I know most of you will disagree, but whether he plays a gangster, a good guy, in a comedy or drama, De Niro is a one trick pony, he plays the same person in just about every movie, no wonder he comes across as dumb as a stump on talk shows.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: January 8, 2020 21:54

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BluzDude
I know most of you will disagree, but whether he plays a gangster, a good guy, in a comedy or drama, De Niro is a one trick pony, he plays the same person in just about every movie, no wonder he comes across as dumb as a stump on talk shows.

Even in King of Comedy?

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: angee ()
Date: January 8, 2020 23:12

"But hey yeah much cuter seein Brad adjustin
that TV antenna than Pacino in his dressing gown …."

You got that right, Rockeeeee!
Nice ta see Brad winning Best Supporting Golden Globe award too.
He needs more comedy roles, methinks.

~"Love is Strong"~

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: January 9, 2020 12:26

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keefriff99
Clint is going to be 90 in a few months.

Yeah, he's very hit or miss these days, but to still be cranking out, on average, one film every 1-2 years at his age is remarkable.

I enjoyed Sully very much, even though it was a complete fiction...

He did the same with "The Mule" to appaling results imo. A drier, "family trauma" deprived story would have worked better.
What C.E. came up with with "The Mule" was a mix of "Breaking Bad" and "Days Of Our Lives". confused smiley grinning smiley

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Bungo ()
Date: January 9, 2020 19:27

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BluzDude
I know most of you will disagree, but whether he plays a gangster, a good guy, in a comedy or drama, De Niro is a one trick pony, he plays the same person in just about every movie, no wonder he comes across as dumb as a stump on talk shows.

You got That right. De Niro hasn,t "acted" in years. But then again most "movie stars" rarely "act". They just show up, hit their mark and recite their lines. We generally don't see a character so much as we just see the actor being himself which I guess is all well and good if the film itself is good. Personally I've found De Niro incredibly boring as an actor anymore. I'll generally avoid anything with him in it these days. I can't remember the last time he was nominated for any award for his performance.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: January 9, 2020 19:36

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BluzDude
I know most of you will disagree, but whether he plays a gangster, a good guy, in a comedy or drama, De Niro is a one trick pony, he plays the same person in just about every movie, no wonder he comes across as dumb as a stump on talk shows.
I will say that it's hard for me to see De Niro as anything other than a NYC Italian.

His facial features and accent are so strong that when he plays a "regular" person (like "Jack Byrnes" from Meet the Parents) it's very difficult to see past his ethnic NYC persona.

But you can say that for a lot of actors with a long body of work. Pacino, Jack Nicholson...the persona overshadows the role.

Guys like Christian Bale, Daniel Day Lewis, Gary Oldman, and even Leo to a lesser extent, are true chamelons. De Niro pulled off a few chamelon-like performances in his youth, but he doesn't have that fire anymore.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: January 9, 2020 22:36

Di Niro is still amazing! You guys don't know what you're talking about!! smiling smiley

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: January 9, 2020 22:41

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LeonidP
Di Niro is still amazing! You guys don't know what you're talking about!! smiling smiley
He's absolutely still capable of excellent work, but you can't deny that he's picked a lot of lame roles over the past 20 years just for a paycheck.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 9, 2020 23:49

but you can't deny that he's picked a lot of lame roles over the past 20 years

Rent musta been due …. but ya see the same for alotta actors



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: January 13, 2020 10:25

"Deepfake Artist Puts Scorcese To Shame With 'Irishman' De-Aging"

[www.zerohedge.com]

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: MrMibbs ()
Date: January 14, 2020 17:08

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crholmstrom
Just finished watching. What a fantastic film! 1 of the best I've seen this year. I'd still give the nod to "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" as best of the year but not by much. Highly recommended!

It was "OK". A cross between Casino and GoodFellas.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: January 14, 2020 17:16

Eh...aside from the casting and the mafia ties, The Irishman is really NOTHING like Goodfellas or Casino. Those films are bombastic and over-the-top...The Irishman is a very quiet, pensive film in comparison.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: January 14, 2020 18:32

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keefriff99
Eh...aside from the casting and the mafia ties, The Irishman is really NOTHING like Goodfellas or Casino. Those films are bombastic and over-the-top...The Irishman is a very quiet, pensive film in comparison.

surprised deniro didn't get the oscar nod. IMHO, he had the best performance in the film.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Date: January 15, 2020 04:55

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Bungo
Man, I must have watched Once Upon A Time In Hollywood at least 10 times. So many details to catch. The acting, the soundtrack, the wardrobes, the sets, the action sequences ...... there's just so much to see in each scene that you have to watch it several times to soak it all in. This is Tarantino's masterpiece. Anything he does after this will just be a footnote.

I don't get it. It must be me.
Two of this year's big ones; the ones I really wanted to see; all my favorite guys - "Irishman", and now "Once Upon a Time..". I am just left cold. What am I missing in OUTIH? Inside references? cinematic tributes? And the story twist...it's kind of silly.
"Joker" on the other hand blew me away. I see Bridges and Phoenix have already signed onto a sequel. If there ever was a film primed for a part 2, this is it.

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 15, 2020 05:48

Once Upon A Time … will win awards
… after all Hollywood loves a movie about Hollywood



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: Lynd8 ()
Date: January 16, 2020 03:11

I really liked Irishman but this week finally caught Once Upon a Time - really great flick! I hope Tarantino gets his due for this movie - so many, many cool details. ….

Re: OT: The Irishman
Posted by: loog droog ()
Date: January 16, 2020 04:00

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Palace Revolution 2000


I don't get it. It must be me.
and now "Once Upon a Time..". I am just left cold. What am I missing in OUTIH? Inside references? cinematic tributes?

If you are (at least) pushing 60, grew up in the LA area, and have knowledge of film, it's a feast!

ex: The last time we see James Stacy, he's riding off on his motorcycle. Not much there, but when you know that Stacy lost an arm and a leg in a bike accident a couple years later, it's a little ominous.

While my favorite film reference was Kurt Russell's passing mention of Western film director Andrew V. McLaglen, my favorite LA inclusions (SPOILER ALERT--L.A. PEOPLE...IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT STOP READING!!) are the George Putnam bus bench ad, Brew 102, and that snippet on TV of horror-movie host Seymour.


A younger viewer might get a little more out of the film if they first caught a few episodes of Steve McQueen in Wanted: Dead or Alive on MeTV.

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