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Phil Good
I just hope it will not be a desaster as the filming/editing
of Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert was.
e.g. when Eric was playing his ass off you see closeups of Jack's back or Ginger's face. And so it went on and on almost the whole movie long.
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Phil Good
I just hope it will not be a desaster as the filming/editing
of Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert was.
e.g. when Eric was playing his ass off you see closeups of Jack's back or Ginger's face. And so it went on and on almost the whole movie long.
There appear to have been issued quite a number of versions/editions of the footage over the years and I just wonder if there is one with everyhing that was recorded.
I also find it quite astonishing that there is no CD with whatever was recorded of both sets. I have a few AUDs but they do not sound exactly great. Hard to believe the concert wouldn't have been properly (professionally) recorded?
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doitywoik
@Sighunt,
I was actually talking about the Cream farewell shows in London on Nov 26, 1968 , of which there appear to be no decent SBD sources, not to speak of an official CD release. One of the two farewell shows is found on disc 4 of [www.discogs.com] but I don't know if it's the early or late show. (Also, I don't know whether the early and the late show had the same setlist or different setlists; etree is not of much help here either.) Sounds like an AUD (and not a great one) with several tape generations to me. The other Cream farewell concert boots I have stem quite likely from the same source (but I haven't listened to them for years).
It is these two shows of which it is hard for me to imagine that they were not professionally recorded in their entirety, or that whatever sound recordings not used in the movie were lost on the cutting floor. But who knows. Last year was the 50th anniversary, would've been the perfect occasio for a (double?) CD with a fat booklet, sold at a stiff price. Likewise surprising that there were no box sets of Cream's Fillmore and/or Winterland concerts, or the Western Tour '68.
As for Hendrix at the Albert Hall, both shows have been released in their entirety in a 3 CD box (Charly Records) in 2003 and then again 2006, see [www.discogs.com], in addition to the SBDs still being circulated in the usual places. Discs 1 & 2 is the Feb 24 show plus (part of) the afternoon rehearsals of that day, Disc 3 is the Feb 18 show. A boot with the (presumably) complete rehearsals is up and seeded at thetradersden. The (more or less) complete concert movie of Feb 24 (NTSC video-sourced, 74 min) is likewise up and seeded there. Whether this is an early/old video copy of (a version of) the film now to be shown in a one time experience or whether it is something different must be determined by the folks to experience the one time experience.
Parts of the Feb 24 show have been released on the LPs "Experience" and "More Experience" already in the early 70s, on "Hendrix In The West" (two songs) and later on several (perhaps only semi-official) CDs. So whatever the legal trouble with the movie is, the soundtrack appears to be a free-for-all. LOL
(When I bought the "Experience" LP as a kid back in the 70s it was sold at a super-cheapo price, only about a third of what regular LPs used to cost back then, perhaps because it was so short, only ca. 30 min.)
Here's a bit on the legal battle(s) around the film:
[www.courthousenews.com]
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doitywoik
@Sighunt,
I was actually talking about the Cream farewell shows in London on Nov 26, 1968 , of which there appear to be no decent SBD sources, not to speak of an official CD release. One of the two farewell shows is found on disc 4 of [www.discogs.com] but I don't know if it's the early or late show. (Also, I don't know whether the early and the late show had the same setlist or different setlists; etree is not of much help here either.) Sounds like an AUD (and not a great one) with several tape generations to me. The other Cream farewell concert boots I have stem quite likely from the same source (but I haven't listened to them for years).
It is these two shows of which it is hard for me to imagine that they were not professionally recorded in their entirety, or that whatever sound recordings not used in the movie were lost on the cutting floor. But who knows. Last year was the 50th anniversary, would've been the perfect occasio for a (double?) CD with a fat booklet, sold at a stiff price. Likewise surprising that there were no box sets of Cream's Fillmore and/or Winterland concerts, or the Western Tour '68.
As for Hendrix at the Albert Hall, both shows have been released in their entirety in a 3 CD box (Charly Records) in 2003 and then again 2006, see [www.discogs.com], in addition to the SBDs still being circulated in the usual places. Discs 1 & 2 is the Feb 24 show plus (part of) the afternoon rehearsals of that day, Disc 3 is the Feb 18 show. A boot with the (presumably) complete rehearsals is up and seeded at thetradersden. The (more or less) complete concert movie of Feb 24 (NTSC video-sourced, 74 min) is likewise up and seeded there. Whether this is an early/old video copy of (a version of) the film now to be shown in a one time experience or whether it is something different must be determined by the folks to experience the one time experience.
Parts of the Feb 24 show have been released on the LPs "Experience" and "More Experience" already in the early 70s, on "Hendrix In The West" (two songs) and later on several (perhaps only semi-official) CDs. So whatever the legal trouble with the movie is, the soundtrack appears to be a free-for-all. LOL
(When I bought the "Experience" LP as a kid back in the 70s it was sold at a super-cheapo price, only about a third of what regular LPs used to cost back then, perhaps because it was so short, only ca. 30 min.)
Here's a bit on the legal battle(s) around the film:
[www.courthousenews.com]
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doitywoik
No worries mate
Just in case you happen to have a SBD source of these cream shows in your tape collection ...
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Phil Good
I just hope it will not be a desaster as the filming/editing
of Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert was.
e.g. when Eric was playing his ass off you see closeups of Jack's back or Ginger's face. And so it went on and on almost the whole movie long.
It was like that until the mid-70s. The Allman Brothers at Fillmore East film drives me up the wall. One of the very few films with Duane. He's ripping off these other worldly slide riffs and you see very few of them.
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Phil Good
I just hope it will not be a desaster as the filming/editing
of Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert was.
e.g. when Eric was playing his ass off you see closeups of Jack's back or Ginger's face. And so it went on and on almost the whole movie long.
It was like that until the mid-70s. The Allman Brothers at Fillmore East film drives me up the wall. One of the very few films with Duane. He's ripping off these other worldly slide riffs and you see very few of them.
While there's no slide here, this clip is pretty good with several closeups of both Duane and Dicky during their respective solos,
but mostly overall it does a great job of capturing the all around vibe of the band's performance. Towards the end, Duane does this crazy one handed tapping on the neck - he certainly knew his way around a guitar.
Whipping Post - 9/23/1970 - Fillmore East
I've been wondering why this film with the Allman Brothers never was officially released. Anyone knows the story behind it?
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Phil Good
I just hope it will not be a desaster as the filming/editing
of Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert was.
e.g. when Eric was playing his ass off you see closeups of Jack's back or Ginger's face. And so it went on and on almost the whole movie long.
It was like that until the mid-70s. The Allman Brothers at Fillmore East film drives me up the wall. One of the very few films with Duane. He's ripping off these other worldly slide riffs and you see very few of them.
While there's no slide here, this clip is pretty good with several closeups of both Duane and Dicky during their respective solos,
but mostly overall it does a great job of capturing the all around vibe of the band's performance. Towards the end, Duane does this crazy one handed tapping on the neck - he certainly knew his way around a guitar.
Whipping Post - 9/23/1970 - Fillmore East
I've been wondering why this film with the Allman Brothers never was officially released. Anyone knows the story behind it?
It is a PBS public TV video so the band may not own the rights. I believe it never aired as there was a problem with Gregg's vocal so he is barely audible. I have a bootleg which decent but is only about 25 minutes so not sure how long the actual recording is.
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Phil Good
I just hope it will not be a desaster as the filming/editing
of Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert was.
e.g. when Eric was playing his ass off you see closeups of Jack's back or Ginger's face. And so it went on and on almost the whole movie long.
It was like that until the mid-70s. The Allman Brothers at Fillmore East film drives me up the wall. One of the very few films with Duane. He's ripping off these other worldly slide riffs and you see very few of them.
While there's no slide here, this clip is pretty good with several closeups of both Duane and Dicky during their respective solos,
but mostly overall it does a great job of capturing the all around vibe of the band's performance. Towards the end, Duane does this crazy one handed tapping on the neck - he certainly knew his way around a guitar.
Whipping Post - 9/23/1970 - Fillmore East
I've been wondering why this film with the Allman Brothers never was officially released. Anyone knows the story behind it?
It is a PBS public TV video so the band may not own the rights. I believe it never aired as there was a problem with Gregg's vocal so he is barely audible. I have a bootleg which decent but is only about 25 minutes so not sure how long the actual recording is.
I know the vocals are hardly audible at the beginning Dreams, but whatever problem there was is fixed by the end of the tune (just after the 7:00 mark), and they seem fine in the Whipping post clip posted above.
Such a great performance, but a shame the vocals are messed up.
Dreams
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*** Just found this clip of the "The Allman Brothers Band - Full Concert - 09/23/70 - Fillmore East (OFFICIAL)" - AllmanBros - with this description:
"Summary:
On this date, Bill Graham assembled a stellar roster of bands to participate in the filming of a television special called Welcome To The Fillmore East for broadcast on educational channels. Short sets were filmed by the Byrds, the Elvin Bishop Group, Sha-Na-Na, Van Morrison, and the Allman Brothers Band, as well as behind-the-scenes footage of Bill Graham and the Fillmore East staff at work.
The Allman Brothers performance is nothing short of spectacular and features the original lineup that included Duane Allman and Berry Oakley. Recorded six months prior to the legendary Live At Fillmore East double album set, this performance captures the Allman Brothers when they were a relatively new band, full of youthful passion and performing what would become classic original material when it was fresh and new.
Following Bill Graham's introduction, they kick things off with a tight performance of "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'," which features the band's friend, Tom Doucette, blowing harp over the group's trademark sound. Gregg's vocal is barely audible, but it's obvious the group is full of fire. "Dreams," which follows, slows things down a bit and the group establishes a relaxed groove that showcases their trademark sound, blending elements that would eventually come to define "Southern Rock."
They hit their stride on the next number, Dickey Betts' "In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed." Here, the dual guitar attack of Allman and Betts is astounding. The two guitarists intertwine and synchronize in a manner nothing short of telepathic, creating a melting pot seasoned with elements of jazz, rock, country, and blues into a style utterly their own. The set ends with a ferocious take of "Whipping Post" that features outstanding melodic bass playing from Berry Oakley, with both Duane Allman and Dickey Betts soaring over the propulsive rhythm section. Shorter than the expansive versions that would develop in coming months, this is all the more fascinating for it, as they compress an incredible amount of energy into the time allotted. Time constrictions and vocal microphone malfunctions aside, this is still a fascinating performance. This original lineup of the band was certainly one of the most innovative and captivating bands to ever play the Fillmore".
Weird the summary mentions "They hit their stride on the next number, Dickey Betts' "In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed."' as that tune is nowhere to be heard in this video!
But here it is in all it's glory:
The Allman Brothers "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed"
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Sighunt
Speaking of Cream, how is the recording live at the Sports Arena, San Diego on 20th October 1968 on the London Calling Label?
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Hairball
Reminds me of certain Deadheads who have a thousand bootlegs and can tell you which show is which based on minor trivial details, when in fact they all sound the same.
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doitywoik
All shows are available on CD anyway, so no need to bootleg anything. To me, not really his greatest shows.
Also, at least parts of the movie appear to be around for decades anyway. Excerpts from the Albert Hall shows were and are frequently to be seen in Hendrix docus and can also be found on Youtube. I wonder to what extent the full movie differs from what is already around (apart from possibly being longer).
Unless there's legal problems I'd also be surprised if Janie Hendrix wouldn't go for a DVD or BlueRay release at some point. Simply wouldn't seem like her not to.