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Who could answer that honestly? He's a damn good rock drummer...maybe his jazz chops would have improved if he'd stuck with that style, but making a living playing jazz isn't easy.Quote
jlowe
I assume what people are saying is that, if he hadn't joined The Stones, Charlie would never have been able to carve out a living as a jazz drummer,right?
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keefriff99Who could answer that honestly? He's a damn good rock drummer...maybe his jazz chops would have improved if he'd stuck with that style, but making a living playing jazz isn't easy.Quote
jlowe
I assume what people are saying is that, if he hadn't joined The Stones, Charlie would never have been able to carve out a living as a jazz drummer,right?
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keefriff99
No, it's simply not true. I'm no jazz expert, but Charlie is merely a passable jazz drummer at most. As you said, he's more of an aficionado who has the resources and recognition to play in his off time with some very good musicians.
He's fine with brushes, but no one would rate him anywhere close to the greats.
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Adams
Chops? Charlie is not about chops, he is about style.
I saw Makaya once. His playing was very annoying. Very loud and over the top. He had a band with him but it seemed he did not need them. A very boring concert. Tyshawn is a lot better however out of 3 times I saw him I only liked him once but it was a couple of years ago and I bet his playing is much more interesting now as plays with Vijay Iyer and such cats. Once I saw Sunny Murray with Charles Gayle and Juini Booth. It was very late in his career and he was ill and pretty high as well. Technically he did not do a lot on stage. It was one of the best concerts I've ever been to.
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OpenG
It was strange that Charlie found it difficult to play on YCAGWYW as Jagger developed song on acoustic and Jimmy Miller had to play the drums.
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Adams
Chops? Charlie is not about chops, he is about style.
I saw Makaya once. His playing was very annoying. Very loud and over the top. He had a band with him but it seemed he did not need them. A very boring concert. Tyshawn is a lot better however out of 3 times I saw him I only liked him once but it was a couple of years ago and I bet his playing is much more interesting now as plays with Vijay Iyer and such cats. Once I saw Sunny Murray with Charles Gayle and Juini Booth. It was very late in his career and he was ill and pretty high as well. Technically he did not do a lot on stage. It was one of the best concerts I've ever been to.
That's disappointing to hear. I haven't seen him live yet but really dig his UNIVERSAL BEINGS record.
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Adams
Chops? Charlie is not about chops, he is about style.
I saw Makaya once. His playing was very annoying. Very loud and over the top. He had a band with him but it seemed he did not need them. A very boring concert. Tyshawn is a lot better however out of 3 times I saw him I only liked him once but it was a couple of years ago and I bet his playing is much more interesting now as plays with Vijay Iyer and such cats. Once I saw Sunny Murray with Charles Gayle and Juini Booth. It was very late in his career and he was ill and pretty high as well. Technically he did not do a lot on stage. It was one of the best concerts I've ever been to.
That's disappointing to hear. I haven't seen him live yet but really dig his UNIVERSAL BEINGS record.
Well, I did not like the concert and especially his approach to playing with his band but there were people who loved it so you need to go and see and listen yourself. Of course he is a master technician. But to me it does not matter all that much. Is Yngwie Malmsteen a better guitar player than Keith? Technically he is but I don't want to listen to him play and personally I find Keith a better guitar player.
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crawdaddy
Charlie is the ultimate 'right place at the right time', when it could have easily been Mick Avory or one of a few other good drummers around in the early 60's.
Charlie got the thumbs up, and so glad that he did after being as huge a part of The Rolling Stones as Brian, Mick ,Keith ,Ronnie,Bill and Mick Taylor have been .
The Stones without Charlie after all this time would never happen.
Dare I say that Bill may have had the best chance of nabbing a top gig elsewhere, given his musical skills, relative sobriety, and professionalism?Quote
windmelody
The case with Charlie Watts may be very obvious, yet one has to say that hardly any Stone could have achieved a great career in another band.