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keefriff99Oh I know. You can drill down into the stats and break it out by attendance, number of shows, ticket prices, etc., but he's at the top of the list at the end of the day and that's what most people will see.Quote
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keefriff99Roger Waters' The Wall tour from 2010-2013 is the 6th highest grossing tour of all time.Quote
jlowe
Yes ,Roger Waters has made 'stupid money'from his recent solo tours.
Somehow, I cannot imagine a Mick solo tour being so successful.
Any views?
If Mick could have gotten ANYWHERE close to that, he would have done it already. I think it's more than self-evident that Mick would have nowhere near that level of success.
By the way, I just found out that little hobbit Ed Sheeran has broken U2's all-time tour grossing record. What a sad day for rock'n'roll.
Did you see how many shows he had to do, though? 129 MORE SHOWS than U2.
Not exactly breaking the record. Barely broke the money amount, and the attendance is just shy of a million more because... of so many more shows.
When U2 broke the Stones BANG record it was shows 73 and 75 (something like that, 2 shows in the 70 range) for attendance and money. U2 did 110 shows. The Stones did 144 shows - so even more impressive that U2 did it before show 100... and blew it out of the water with only 10 more shows.
I have nothing against the guy...don't know his music at all. It's impressive, but it just FEELS wrong for a massive stadium act like the Stones or U2 to NOT be at the top of the list.
That's my and GLS's point though. The total gross is what everyone will focus on (Ed Sheeran #1 tour gross of all time), but so many other factors go into it when you drill into the numbers.Quote
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keefriff99Oh I know. You can drill down into the stats and break it out by attendance, number of shows, ticket prices, etc., but he's at the top of the list at the end of the day and that's what most people will see.Quote
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keefriff99Roger Waters' The Wall tour from 2010-2013 is the 6th highest grossing tour of all time.Quote
jlowe
Yes ,Roger Waters has made 'stupid money'from his recent solo tours.
Somehow, I cannot imagine a Mick solo tour being so successful.
Any views?
If Mick could have gotten ANYWHERE close to that, he would have done it already. I think it's more than self-evident that Mick would have nowhere near that level of success.
By the way, I just found out that little hobbit Ed Sheeran has broken U2's all-time tour grossing record. What a sad day for rock'n'roll.
Did you see how many shows he had to do, though? 129 MORE SHOWS than U2.
Not exactly breaking the record. Barely broke the money amount, and the attendance is just shy of a million more because... of so many more shows.
When U2 broke the Stones BANG record it was shows 73 and 75 (something like that, 2 shows in the 70 range) for attendance and money. U2 did 110 shows. The Stones did 144 shows - so even more impressive that U2 did it before show 100... and blew it out of the water with only 10 more shows.
I have nothing against the guy...don't know his music at all. It's impressive, but it just FEELS wrong for a massive stadium act like the Stones or U2 to NOT be at the top of the list.
Not a massive fan of Sheran, but worth pointing out his ticket prices are a fair bit cheaper than U2, etc. Recently filled Roundhay Park in Leeds twice, think about £75 a ticket GA (no seats, gold circle, etc). Also he's genuinely solo (just him)
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crholmstrom
... Speaking of Mr. Waters, Amused to Death is a killer record. Jeff Beck does most of the lead guitar, so no drop off there! Finally, you can't go wrong with any of the live stuff, Floyd or Waters solo.
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buttons67
and also which live stuff should i go for.
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bv
Pink Floyd is a great band. Try digging out the earlier Syd Barrett stuff, like the single "Arnold Layne". Then the two late 60's albums Syd Barrett worked with. Then of course their post Syd Barrett mega album Dark Side Of The Moon, and those who followed. I remember playing all these loud a lot, in-between Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Bowie stuff like Ziggy Stardust. Late 60's and early 70's brought so much great music out in UK. Marc Boan and T Rex. Queen. Bowie. Genesis. Supertramp. 10CC. John Lennon imagine, Mind Games ... And so on and on and on...
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It's known that Roger presented both the initial concepts that he wrote for both The Wall and the Final Cut to the band, and they voted unanimously for The Wall.
The story I'm familiar with is that he presented the band with The Wall and The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking. Not a particularly difficult choice for the band to make. Pros and Cons is arguably one of the worst albums ever recorded, and with so many words, and so little actual music, Gilmour would have been left with very little room in which to improve it. I actually like The Final Cut. In some ways, I think it succeeds where The Wall fails. It's too bad Waters has never performed it in its entirety, but I guess he knows The Wall is always going to sell more tickets.
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Oh I absolutely don't take any of that away from Roger. He 100% deserves to do it, and I have zero problem and never did with the moniker "the BRAINS behind Pink Floyd" which is how he was advertised in 2006 in the States. He wrote it all, and I had zero problem with him performing Dark Side in full when I saw him even though he sings very little of it.
I think where I got peeved is somehow perceiving Gilmour isn't as good, solo material or not. Both their solo material isn't so great, and they both do the shows they do. I don't begrudge either, but I think knocking one is strange. Gilmour is as much Floyd as Roger is. All 4 of them are. That was the whole point of Pink Floyd. When you hear that guitar, its as much Pink Floyd as it is seeing Roger sing all the songs he wrote.
Well, IF he actually sings them. It is a well known fact that he is lip-syncing during his shows. I personally find that absolutaly unforgivable, yet I have seen him six times and pretty much always enjoyed it. But after the last two Us and Them shows I have been studying the videos I made on two back to back nights and while before I thought he used the playback on just a couple of songs, now I think most of the show was lip-synced (if not all of it).
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5:00, 5:45 [www.youtube.com]
As for Dave - I actually quite like his last album and I really loved those songs live. Seeing him was a dream come true and it was pure magic - the guitar, the voice...and those songs. And it was live :-)
I also think it is absolutely obvious that on the Live 8 concert from 2005 Roger sounds waaay "less perfect" than he has sounded on all of his later tours. Probably because on Live 8 he actually sang live.
This is a pure speculation, but could this actually be the reason (or one of the reasons) why Dave and Roger won't tour togehter? I can't honestly imagine Dave touring with lip-syncing Roger.
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There are a whole lot of great concert recordings that get more listening from me. Fillmore West 70, Tokyo 72, Bristol 74, Empire Pool 74 LA Sports Arena 75 and Oakland 1977 Boston 77, Madison Square Garden 77 are some of my favorites.
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bv
Pink Floyd is a great band. Try digging out the earlier Syd Barrett stuff, like the single "Arnold Layne". Then the two late 60's albums Syd Barrett worked with. Then of course their post Syd Barrett mega album Dark Side Of The Moon, and those who followed. I remember playing all these loud a lot, in-between Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Bowie stuff like Ziggy Stardust. Late 60's and early 70's brought so much great music out in UK. Marc Boan and T Rex. Queen. Bowie. Genesis. Supertramp. 10CC. John Lennon imagine, Mind Games ... And so on and on and on...
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buttons67
any fans here, ive heard some pink floyd stuff, but was wondering if i should expand and go deeper into their catalogue and which songs would be recommended.
i heard interstellar overdrive for the first time last week, thought it was awesome and weird.
and also which live stuff should i go for.
cheers.
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Hairball
For a fantastic live document of an incredible album from an amazing tour:
Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980–81
The studio album itself is phenomenal musically, lyrically, and conceptually, but to hear it all live is quite an experience.
I attended two shows at the L.A. Sports arena, 1980, and they will always rank up there with the very best concerts I've ever witnessed.
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Hairball
For a fantastic live document of an incredible album from an amazing tour:
Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980–81
The studio album itself is phenomenal musically, lyrically, and conceptually, but to hear it all live is quite an experience.
I attended two shows at the L.A. Sports arena, 1980, and they will always rank up there with the very best concerts I've ever witnessed.
I was at 1 of the Sports Arena shows. Unfortunately partied a little too hearty & the last thing i remember is Gilmour playing the solo on Comfortably Numb on top of the wall. I saw Roger's solo version toward the end of the tour & was blown away by it. At the end, Roger started talking about playing Seattle in the 60s & got very emotional. I think at that point he was going to retire. Thank goodness he didn't! The Us & Them tour was incredible. Can't wait to see the film.
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daspyknows
I saw one of the Nassau shows. Top 10 lifetime concert.
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crholmstrom
I was at 1 of the Sports Arena shows. Unfortunately partied a little too hearty & the last thing i remember is Gilmour playing the solo on Comfortably Numb on top of the wall. I saw Roger's solo version toward the end of the tour & was blown away by it. At the end, Roger started talking about playing Seattle in the 60s & got very emotional. I think at that point he was going to retire. Thank goodness he didn't! The Us & Them tour was incredible. Can't wait to see the film.
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daspyknows
Word is one final tour. 2020 goal is to see a bunch of Roger Waters and Rolling Stones shows.
Good taste ! this is a fantastic release , my only gripe is this should have included a DVD of the performance as well , and they could charge whatever they wanted ! What a missed opportunity ! This show was from the run at Earls Court after Rick Wright was fired for whatever reason ( probably pissing of Roger ) but was allowed to perform on this run of shows in 1980 I believe and I also believe this was after the run of shows in the US at Nassau Coliseum and LA Sports Arena or was it the Forum ?Quote
Hairball
For a fantastic live document of an incredible album from an amazing tour:
Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980–81
The studio album itself is phenomenal musically, lyrically, and conceptually, but to hear it all live is quite an experience.
I attended two shows at the L.A. Sports arena, 1980, and they will always rank up there with the very best concerts I've ever witnessed.
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TheGreekGood taste ! this is a fantastic release , my only gripe is this should have included a DVD of the performance as well , and they could charge whatever they wanted ! What a missed opportunity ! This show was from the run at Earls Court after Rick Wright was fired for whatever reason ( probably pissing of Roger ) but was allowed to perform on this run of shows in 1980 I believe and I also believe this was after the run of shows in the US at Nassau Coliseum and LA Sports Arena or was it the Forum ?Quote
Hairball
For a fantastic live document of an incredible album from an amazing tour:
Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980–81
The studio album itself is phenomenal musically, lyrically, and conceptually, but to hear it all live is quite an experience.
I attended two shows at the L.A. Sports arena, 1980, and they will always rank up there with the very best concerts I've ever witnessed.
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bv
Pink Floyd is a great band. Try digging out the earlier Syd Barrett stuff, like the single "Arnold Layne". Then the two late 60's albums Syd Barrett worked with. Then of course their post Syd Barrett mega album Dark Side Of The Moon, and those who followed. I remember playing all these loud a lot, in-between Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Bowie stuff like Ziggy Stardust. Late 60's and early 70's brought so much great music out in UK. Marc Boan and T Rex. Queen. Bowie. Genesis. Supertramp. 10CC. John Lennon imagine, Mind Games ... And so on and on and on...
You forgot Roxy Music in your list ;o)
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TheGreekGood taste ! this is a fantastic release , my only gripe is this should have included a DVD of the performance as well , and they could charge whatever they wanted ! What a missed opportunity ! This show was from the run at Earls Court after Rick Wright was fired for whatever reason ( probably pissing of Roger ) but was allowed to perform on this run of shows in 1980 I believe and I also believe this was after the run of shows in the US at Nassau Coliseum and LA Sports Arena or was it the Forum ?Quote
Hairball
For a fantastic live document of an incredible album from an amazing tour:
Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980–81
The studio album itself is phenomenal musically, lyrically, and conceptually, but to hear it all live is quite an experience.
I attended two shows at the L.A. Sports arena, 1980, and they will always rank up there with the very best concerts I've ever witnessed.
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bv
Pink Floyd is a great band. Try digging out the earlier Syd Barrett stuff, like the single "Arnold Layne". Then the two late 60's albums Syd Barrett worked with. Then of course their post Syd Barrett mega album Dark Side Of The Moon, and those who followed. I remember playing all these loud a lot, in-between Sticky Fingers, Exile, and Bowie stuff like Ziggy Stardust. Late 60's and early 70's brought so much great music out in UK. Marc Boan and T Rex. Queen. Bowie. Genesis. Supertramp. 10CC. John Lennon imagine, Mind Games ... And so on and on and on...
You forgot Roxy Music in your list ;o)