Over the last few years I have watched tv-concerts by Iron Maiden, Metallica, Macca, Pink Floyd, Coldplay, Bruce Springsteen, A-ha, AC/DC and many more. But no Stones. The Barcelona-concert from The Urban Jungle-tour was the last one so for. It's important to be regularly shown to the big masses out there, otherwise they lose their interest in the band.

Lose their interest? The Stones couldn't care less, enough people come to see them. Promotion is not that important.

The answer to this and many other questions on the board is Cohl.

Cohl doesnt make the band do anything they dont want to do. They employ HIM, not the other way 'round...

Didn't they have a BTB Pay-Per-View special? And didn't they have a Licks HBO show?

Gazza Wrote:
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> Cohl doesnt make the band do anything they dont
> want to do. They employ HIM, not the other way
> 'round...

Gazza, I'm not sure that they really employ him. Cohl buys the rights for the their tours and guarantees them a looooooooooaaaaaad of money, so they're not out there on their own risk, but Cohl's risk - if a tour is not successful, it's not the Stones who lose money, but Cohl. So I believe Cohl has a more important role than any "employee", he invests a lot of money, frees them from any risks, but on the other hand he may have the final say in many aspects concerning their tours - ticket prices, merchandise prices, theatre shows, tv broadcasts etc. Of course, no one knows the exact details of their deal with Cohl. But if you take this amount of money involved in account, you can bet that he has a certain power, if not even control.

Well they do get them in the States, MSG on the licks tour was on tv, but I wish they would show one here in the UK and all of Europe

been there done that.....

retired_dog Wrote:
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> Gazza, I'm not sure that they really employ him.
> Cohl buys the rights for the their tours and
> guarantees them a looooooooooaaaaaad of money, so
> they're not out there on their own risk, but
> Cohl's risk - if a tour is not successful, it's
> not the Stones who lose money, but Cohl. So I
> believe Cohl has a more important role than any
> "employee", he invests a lot of money, frees them
> from any risks, but on the other hand he may have
> the final say in many aspects concerning their
> tours - ticket prices, merchandise prices, theatre
> shows, tv broadcasts etc. Of course, no one knows
> the exact details of their deal with Cohl. But if
> you take this amount of money involved in account,
> you can bet that he has a certain power, if not
> even control.

a stones tour is so heavily corporate sponsored that its not really as high risk as it is for other acts

The job you're describing above is that of the band's promoter. It is indeed an important role, but the bottom line is that they're employing him to do that task. As this is his 5th world tour with them, they obviously feel its working.

The band also has considerable input (and as the 'employer' the 'final say') in anything. Jagger even stated in Forbes magazine 3 years ago that HE determines the ticket prices, for example.

And, as Rupert Lowenstein has now retired, (correct me if I'm wrong), Cohl has also taken over his managerial role. Last I heard he was assuming those duties anyway.

Rupert Lowenstein has retired.

s-asla Wrote:
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> Over the last few years I have watched tv-concerts
> by Iron Maiden, Metallica, Macca, Pink Floyd,
> Coldplay, Bruce Springsteen, A-ha, AC/DC and many
> more. But no Stones. The Barcelona-concert from
> The Urban Jungle-tour was the last one so for.
>

Bremen 1998 was shown live on pay per view throughout almost all of Europe....

The Chorzow show a couple of weeks earlier was also broadcast, but only in Poland.



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The common tv-viewer doesn't pay to watch a Stones-concert.

Well, you've basically answered your own question

and also that the Stones wont play for the "common TV viewer" but for a "pay TV" audience as theres more money in it

Coln is taking risks.

he guaranty to them a certain amount of money.huge.
once this amount is reached, they also get a good % .

Then coln open a bid in each country or city to promotors.
the one who put the highest bid will organize the show.

That s why you can hear sometime places like in singapore lost money.
Not them, the local promotors.

Certain cities got no shows because no bids were good enough.
or no promotor wanted to take a chance.Due to the previous one
still have a bitter taste.

it s a big corporation.

so to plain a show in Moncton (20000 people living)
bring the band hoping for 55000 People and get 85000
you must be a gambler.
he could have lost big.

ppv we ll have for this tour.when they releasing a bigger band vol 2
how can you think they wont be a ppv?
maybe yes,if no channel want to pay the price.
but to sell it well, they need to show than the tour is selling well.

then the tv show ll be offered to the highest biding channel.

and so and so

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Give me all your money gime me all your gold
...

This is not about Michael Cohl at all. You are just mixing up things. Michael may have a lot to do with the Stones, but they do still control most of the stuff that is hapening. And TV broadcasts are very much up to the local markets.

In USA they usually do one broadcast per tour. It is hard to remember, but that's the fact. And since the tour has just started, still months to go, they don't do any broadcasts until they are about to end that part of the tour. So may be some time next year they would do the broadcast, when all thye tickets to US shows have been sold. January or March that is.

In other markets like Argentina and Japan they do always broadcast one show. Happens on every tour. Same with Europe. Usually one broadcast per tour. But when the local TV companies are offered the show, they might say yes or no. So if you don't see the Stones in your country on TV, then blame it on the TV company, not the Stones. May be they spent their money on a boyband or on sports. Who knows. The Stones are not the hottest act for TV companies. That is a fact. So it is really all up to the local TV stations.

Bjornulf

Exactly

Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle - Atlantic City, Tokyo, Barcelona
Voodoo Lounge - Miami, Rio, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Johannesburg, Tokyo plus the "Stripped" TV special
BTB - MTV 10 Spot, St Louis, Rio, Buenos Aires, Chorzow, Bremen
Licks - New York - plus Twickenham & Olympia and other footage which wasnt broadcast on TV but was exclusive to "Four Flicks"

Thats quite a few TV concerts over the last four tours, and they rarely announce plans for a telecast early in the tour anyway.

I think we've generally done OK. I cant think of any other artist who have had so many concerts televised in the last couple of decades. Most generally just aim for the home video/DVD market as a 'souvenir' of the tour.

Hampton 81 was pay per-view also?



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bv Wrote:
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> So may be some
> time next year they would do the broadcast, when
> all thye tickets to US shows have been sold.
> January or March that is.
>
>
> Bjornulf


Why do they broadcast a show if they have sold all the tickets? I always thought that it was a good promotion for a tour. I would think that after you have seen a concert on tv you would think that people could say "that looked great, let's go to a show!" instead of "Well i have already seen it on tv i don't have to go to s show anymore".



Gazza Wrote


Licks - New York - plus Twickenham & Olympia and other footage which wasnt broadcast on TV but was exclusive to "Four Flicks"


The second Amsterdam arena show was supposed to be broadcasted on dutch television and also used for Four Flicks but the show was cancelled so they used the Twickenham show instead.


Cheers,
Wuudy

i thought sat.1 (german tv) will at the end of october broadcast a live-concert from the bigger bang tour

I wrote that in another thread.In german TV-magazines you can read: 31.10.2005

00:20-2:00 sTONES-A bIGGER BANG---cONCERT BOSTON 21st of August 2005!

Wuudy Wrote:
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> Why do they broadcast a show if they have sold all
> the tickets? I always thought that it was a good
> promotion for a tour. I would think that after you
> have seen a concert on tv you would think that
> people could say "that looked great, let's go to a
> show!" instead of "Well i have already seen it on
> tv i don't have to go to s show anymore".

considering the price of Stones tickets, I think the second option is more likely for most people who were in two minds about going

The Stones will never have much problem selling tickets. A Tv special gives them an extra few million quid without having to play extra concerts and appeals to people who like them, but not enough to pay a week's wages for a concert ticket -plus those who didnt get to see them either because the shows were sold out or because they didnt play in their area. Not everyone is able to fly or take a train to a show a couple of hundred miles away and book a hotel for the night on top of what they're paying for a concert ticket.