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Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: November 28, 2022 15:06

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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
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Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)

Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.

So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.

Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.

I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.

Re: Statistics, sales and other boring stuff
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 28, 2022 17:53

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Crucify me if you want ...but it always amazes me how well Exile has sold down the years .

Why ?

Because to the average "AOR" listener it sounds like their kids' band practising in the garage.

Exile is at the same time sublime...and a right bloody racket !

I think EXILE having the best 'brand' of their catalogue albums, and they have managed to make sure that any respected rock fan should, next to HOT ROCKS or something like that, own it. If the reviews were rather mild initially, the band should thank the press ever since. For example, it always makes the top spots in the lists of best albums ever by ROLLING STONE magazine (once recall it being #2 only next to SGT. PEPPER). Its deluxe-edition was a huge million success as well salewise (for example, re-entering #1 in UK list), and seemingly UMG and the band made a great job in promoting it.

However, I share your feelings... EXILE is not an 'easy-listening' album. So I wonder how many of its buyers actually have nerves to listen the album so much in order to 'get it'.... Honestly, of the people I know who love rock but aren't any big Stones fans particularly, EXILE seem to confuse them... by contrast, the greatness of STICKY FINGERS and LET IT BLEED seems to be recognized rather easily... Those albums seem to speak more in terms of 'traditional rock'.

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Disagree...Exile is certainly an 'easy listening' album. It's just not immediately accessible. However of their entire catalogue I find Exile the 'easiest' listening...the way it shifts effortlessly between styles yet still has the 'sameness' of overall production quality and sound makes it perfect.

I think also of Tattoo You which is obviously completely different, and much higher production quality but in the same way navigates the variety of styles effortlessly with a 'sameness' of sound. For me probably the second best 'easy to listen' album.

Re: Statistics, sales and other boring stuff
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: November 28, 2022 18:20

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Crucify me if you want ...but it always amazes me how well Exile has sold down the years .

Why ?

Because to the average "AOR" listener it sounds like their kids' band practising in the garage.

Exile is at the same time sublime...and a right bloody racket !

I think EXILE having the best 'brand' of their catalogue albums, and they have managed to make sure that any respected rock fan should, next to HOT ROCKS or something like that, own it. If the reviews were rather mild initially, the band should thank the press ever since. For example, it always makes the top spots in the lists of best albums ever by ROLLING STONE magazine (once recall it being #2 only next to SGT. PEPPER). Its deluxe-edition was a huge million success as well salewise (for example, re-entering #1 in UK list), and seemingly UMG and the band made a great job in promoting it.

However, I share your feelings... EXILE is not an 'easy-listening' album. So I wonder how many of its buyers actually have nerves to listen the album so much in order to 'get it'.... Honestly, of the people I know who love rock but aren't any big Stones fans particularly, EXILE seem to confuse them... by contrast, the greatness of STICKY FINGERS and LET IT BLEED seems to be recognized rather easily... Those albums seem to speak more in terms of 'traditional rock'.

- Doxa

Disagree...Exile is certainly an 'easy listening' album. It's just not immediately accessible. However of their entire catalogue I find Exile the 'easiest' listening...the way it shifts effortlessly between styles yet still has the 'sameness' of overall production quality and sound makes it perfect.

I think also of Tattoo You which is obviously completely different, and much higher production quality but in the same way navigates the variety of styles effortlessly with a 'sameness' of sound. For me probably the second best 'easy to listen' album.

That’s a fair point, regarding Exile not being ‘immediately accessible’ Whilst it certainly deserving of it’s placing as one of the Stones’ ‘Big Four’, it isn’t the album I’d recommend to someone wanting to explore their releases, beyond the likes of Hot Rocks and Forty Licks. I’d steer them in the direction of Sticky Fingers, personally. I struggled with Exile upon first listen, myself, yet like you, I do now find it to be an incredibly easy listen. Such variety in styles. Exile on Main Street should definitely be appreciated as a whole.

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 28, 2022 19:13

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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)

Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.

So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.

Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.

I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.

Oops. Was I ever incredibly wrong:

US release date: 8-31-1968 in the United States. Different from the LP version. Duh, it's on THE SINGLES COLLECTION.

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: NashvilleBlues ()
Date: November 28, 2022 19:28

No problem! It happens!

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: November 28, 2022 19:45

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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)

Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.

So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.

Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.

I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.

Oops. Was I ever incredibly wrong:

US release date: 8-31-1968 in the United States. Different from the LP version. Duh, it's on THE SINGLES COLLECTION.

But not in the original 1989 Singles Collection. Through carelessness, they used the Beggars Banquet version. The error was fixed for the 2002 rerelease. I’ve always felt that single-mix sounds a little odd.

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 28, 2022 20:03

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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)

Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.

So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.

Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.

I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.

Oops. Was I ever incredibly wrong:

US release date: 8-31-1968 in the United States. Different from the LP version. Duh, it's on THE SINGLES COLLECTION.

But not in the original 1989 Singles Collection. Through carelessness, they used the Beggars Banquet version. The error was fixed for the 2002 rerelease. I’ve always felt that single-mix sounds a little odd.

Yeah! On all the hits albums it's the LP version! They're weird - on some hits comps the UK edit of Miss You is used. JUMP BACK has it as well as FORTY LICKS and the 2012 one. On REWIND and HONK it's the LP version.

The UK edition of REWIND oddly has the LP version and not the UK edit.

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: November 29, 2022 23:20

Another week on the Top 100 of the Billboard 200 for Hot Rocks at #97 with 8,000 units (sales+streams), just 2 weeks away from the 400th week mark.

[www.billboard.com]

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: January 19, 2023 00:24

Hot Rocks has now reached the 400 week milestone on the Billboard 200 (No. 195 this week).

[www.billboard.com]


Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: January 19, 2023 01:24

Hi Georgelicks, so how many copies has Hot Rocks sold in the US? I believe the last certification was 12 million (6 million x 2 records)?

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: January 19, 2023 01:36

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Hi Georgelicks, so how many copies has Hot Rocks sold in the US? I believe the last certification was 12 million (6 million x 2 records)?

It's very hard to guess, the latest certification was over 20 years ago and the album is selling an average of 300-350k a year during the past 10 years, the streaming era...so we have 3+ million copies only since 2012 x 2 records: 18 million...and we're missing the sales from 2002-2011, another million at least: 20 million certification, and that's a rough guess.

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: January 19, 2023 03:13

I wish Stones record company would update their sales figures for RIAA certification purposes. They would leapfrog a number of bands that are ahead of them.

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: January 19, 2023 03:19

Then they would have to pay back royalties to the artist...

Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by: TheBluesHadaBaby ()
Date: January 19, 2023 06:18

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Hot Rocks has now reached the 400 week milestone on the Billboard 200 (No. 195 this week).

[www.billboard.com]


I bought mine shortly after it came out, and it was one of my Big Four Stones albums I bought, ages 14 - 17.

The first was Through The Past Darkly in 1969, to get on an album the song that had blown my 14 yr old mind that summer, Honky Tonk Women. (I've since lost my summer '69 well-worn single. But not TTPD!)

Next was Sticky Fingers. Has any rock album of all-new material ever been better? My other all-time favorite Stones song, along with HT Women, is Brown Sugar.

No. 3 was Hot Rocks. Wow, what a treasure.

No. 4 was Exile. Okay, if any rock album of new material has ever been better than SF, it's Exile.

And then the concert! They actually came to my city!

1972! What a year.

And yet, come 1973 I was deeply disappointed by the two singles off Goats Head Soup that got radio play... and didn't buy another Stones album until Some Girls came out. (In '73 I did see Faces live, though. Damn, were they ever good, too!) Albums were expensive. And I wasn't smart or at the time informed enough to back up and look into Let It Bleed or Beggars Banquet. Sure wish I had.

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I'm down in Virginia
with your Cousin Lou

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