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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)
Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.
So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.
Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.
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Crucify me if you want ...but it always amazes me how well Exile has sold down the years .
Why ?
Because to the average "AOR" listener it sounds like their kids' band practising in the garage.
Exile is at the same time sublime...and a right bloody racket !
I think EXILE having the best 'brand' of their catalogue albums, and they have managed to make sure that any respected rock fan should, next to HOT ROCKS or something like that, own it. If the reviews were rather mild initially, the band should thank the press ever since. For example, it always makes the top spots in the lists of best albums ever by ROLLING STONE magazine (once recall it being #2 only next to SGT. PEPPER). Its deluxe-edition was a huge million success as well salewise (for example, re-entering #1 in UK list), and seemingly UMG and the band made a great job in promoting it.
However, I share your feelings... EXILE is not an 'easy-listening' album. So I wonder how many of its buyers actually have nerves to listen the album so much in order to 'get it'.... Honestly, of the people I know who love rock but aren't any big Stones fans particularly, EXILE seem to confuse them... by contrast, the greatness of STICKY FINGERS and LET IT BLEED seems to be recognized rather easily... Those albums seem to speak more in terms of 'traditional rock'.
- Doxa
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Crucify me if you want ...but it always amazes me how well Exile has sold down the years .
Why ?
Because to the average "AOR" listener it sounds like their kids' band practising in the garage.
Exile is at the same time sublime...and a right bloody racket !
I think EXILE having the best 'brand' of their catalogue albums, and they have managed to make sure that any respected rock fan should, next to HOT ROCKS or something like that, own it. If the reviews were rather mild initially, the band should thank the press ever since. For example, it always makes the top spots in the lists of best albums ever by ROLLING STONE magazine (once recall it being #2 only next to SGT. PEPPER). Its deluxe-edition was a huge million success as well salewise (for example, re-entering #1 in UK list), and seemingly UMG and the band made a great job in promoting it.
However, I share your feelings... EXILE is not an 'easy-listening' album. So I wonder how many of its buyers actually have nerves to listen the album so much in order to 'get it'.... Honestly, of the people I know who love rock but aren't any big Stones fans particularly, EXILE seem to confuse them... by contrast, the greatness of STICKY FINGERS and LET IT BLEED seems to be recognized rather easily... Those albums seem to speak more in terms of 'traditional rock'.
- Doxa
Disagree...Exile is certainly an 'easy listening' album. It's just not immediately accessible. However of their entire catalogue I find Exile the 'easiest' listening...the way it shifts effortlessly between styles yet still has the 'sameness' of overall production quality and sound makes it perfect.
I think also of Tattoo You which is obviously completely different, and much higher production quality but in the same way navigates the variety of styles effortlessly with a 'sameness' of sound. For me probably the second best 'easy to listen' album.
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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)
Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.
So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.
Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.
I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.
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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)
Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.
So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.
Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.
I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.
Oops. Was I ever incredibly wrong:
US release date: 8-31-1968 in the United States. Different from the LP version. Duh, it's on THE SINGLES COLLECTION.
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Street Fighting Man was a UK single two times
[www.discogs.com]
Decca F 13195 Street Fighting Man//Surprise Surprise/Everybody Needs Somebody To Love (7", 6/71, No. 21)
Decca F 13203 Street Fighting Man/Surprise Surprise (7", 7/71)
Yes, but the Stones, themselves, didn't intend for it to be a single in the U.K., or anywhere, probably. In the case of the two U.K. single releases, it’s evidentially just DECCA, wanting to mop-up after the group left the label. I'm sure the inclusion of Surprise, Surprise as the flip-side, may have proved an incentive for some U.K. buyers, having only been previously released on an obscure DECCA compilation L.P.
So SFM was a single. You said it wasn’t.
Street Fighting Man wasn't a single in the orbit of BEGGARS BANQUET onward into 1969. In other words, it had nothing to do with the album at the time.
I get that. They said it wasn’t a single but it was. Simple as that.
Oops. Was I ever incredibly wrong:
US release date: 8-31-1968 in the United States. Different from the LP version. Duh, it's on THE SINGLES COLLECTION.
But not in the original 1989 Singles Collection. Through carelessness, they used the Beggars Banquet version. The error was fixed for the 2002 rerelease. I’ve always felt that single-mix sounds a little odd.
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Hi Georgelicks, so how many copies has Hot Rocks sold in the US? I believe the last certification was 12 million (6 million x 2 records)?
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georgelicks
Hot Rocks has now reached the 400 week milestone on the Billboard 200 (No. 195 this week).
[www.billboard.com]
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georgelicks
Beggars Banquet is back on the Billboard 200 by first time since 1980 when it re-entered around the Emotional Rescue period.
It ranks at #118 on this week's chart (#12 on sales alone) with 9,000 units.
[www.billboard.com]
It marks the 4th Stones album to chart on the Billboard 200 this year:
- In Mono (#151, 1 week)
- GRRR Live (#193, 1 week)
- Hot Rocks (#178, 9 weeks)
- Beggars Banquet (#118, 1 week)
BEGGARS BANQUET US chart run so far:
US Date: 14/12/1968 - Run: 159-33-27-12- *5*-5-5-10-11-14-18-31-36-37-53-55-67-73-71-81-85-117-134-156-171-170 (26/4 wks)
Re #01: 27/09/1980 190-180-170-169-187-181 (6 wks, 32 wks)
Re #02: 06/05/2023 118 (1 wk)
Total # of weeks: 33-26c (Top 10: 4, Top 20: 8 Top 40: 13)
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....WHY...the return of Beggars banquet....?
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The same goes for the number of listeners per month on Spotify, with many bands and artists doing far better than the Stones...
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Yeah, very interesting article, thanks.
It also explains why they did re-release FORTY LICKS - to reach better the streaming audience. It also covers better their whole career than the old steady seller HOT ROCKS that misses such popular tunes as "Start Me Up", "Beast of Burden", "Angie" and "Miss You, all be longing to their top ten in streaming charts. One might imagine ABKCO is not too happy about it, but I guess Universal, taking care of both ABKCO and Promotone eras, had a hand there.
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Yeah, very interesting article, thanks.
It also explains why they did re-release FORTY LICKS - to reach better the streaming audience. It also covers better their whole career than the old steady seller HOT ROCKS that misses such popular tunes as "Start Me Up", "Beast of Burden", "Angie" and "Miss You, all be longing to their top ten in streaming charts. One might imagine ABKCO is not too happy about it, but I guess Universal, taking care of both ABKCO and Promotone eras, had a hand there.
- Doxa
It does explain it, though why 40 Licks, and not Grrr?
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Yeah, very interesting article, thanks.
It also explains why they did re-release FORTY LICKS - to reach better the streaming audience. It also covers better their whole career than the old steady seller HOT ROCKS that misses such popular tunes as "Start Me Up", "Beast of Burden", "Angie" and "Miss You, all be longing to their top ten in streaming charts. One might imagine ABKCO is not too happy about it, but I guess Universal, taking care of both ABKCO and Promotone eras, had a hand there.
- Doxa
It does explain it, though why 40 Licks, and not Grrr?
Yeah, I've been thinking that as well. Taken that it especially an Universal era product, and pretty much tells the same story.
Speculations:
- since FL is a bit older, and has not been distributed for some time, it has something like rarity value - for example, to excite a bit more us hardcore fans to get a copy (to maximise also the physical copy sales).
- ABKCO compromised to release that, but not the other? They surely have a say there. (It was a long and difficult process at the time to have it released in the first place)
- FL was a big thing and a huge seller at the time, much bigger than the gorilla album - so maybe they thought it has a better 'brand', you know, having a bit HOT ROCKS -like reputation as an essential, big name Stones collection. Easier to promote.
- they simply think that it is a better compilation of those two to serve its function. More compact, etc.
- Doxa