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1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: January 11, 2019 19:31

Posted two weeks ago by TRRSTRAX.

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Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: January 11, 2019 19:35

Nice, where's "Blood Red Wine" though !

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: January 11, 2019 20:02

I'd never heard of "Mickey Mouse Blues" but apparently it's an early "Child of the Moon."

Never mind, Cristiano beat me to it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-01-11 20:35 by Rocky Dijon.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: January 11, 2019 20:15

I wonder if these were the tracks originally earmarked for the 50th Anniversary release of BEGGARS BANQUET.

And thanks for spotting and sharing, Deltics.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-01-11 20:15 by Rocky Dijon.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: January 11, 2019 20:48

cool. thanks deltics


Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: January 11, 2019 20:50

Yes, thanks deltics! thumbs up

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Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: January 11, 2019 21:00

What is the actual purpose of a copyright preservation release?

Something to do with 2018 ending and the onset of 50 years since the tracks were recorded?

Does the name "TRRSTRAX" infer anything/anyone other than ABKCO posting the material on YouTube?


Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: rootsman ()
Date: January 11, 2019 21:08

Nice! Thanks.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: dandelion1967 ()
Date: January 11, 2019 23:49

Never heard of "Mickey mouse" (Chiled f the moon) and Sympathy. Nice finding!

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Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: lenchik ()
Date: January 12, 2019 00:20

Nice to see such material surfacing. Thanks for heads-up!

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 12, 2019 00:37

I find it very odd how little they have actually protected in these 66 - 68 protection uploads.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Ricky ()
Date: January 12, 2019 01:20

Thanks !

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Zagalo ()
Date: January 12, 2019 01:22

Many thanks indeed!!
smileys with beer

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: January 12, 2019 03:08

Great Deltics thanks

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Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Lynd8 ()
Date: January 12, 2019 03:49

Pretty common stuff right? What the hell are they "preserving" for? The time to put this out was on the BB deluxe.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Kennedy ()
Date: January 12, 2019 04:31

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Lynd8
Pretty common stuff right? What the hell are they "preserving" for? The time to put this out was on the BB deluxe.

Preserving the copyright.

As I understand it, and I'm sure people with a better understanding can weigh in, but a relatively new copyright law puts an expiration of the copyright at 50 years if material is not made commercially available. This technically qualifies as a commercial release, and therefore the copyright is preserved.

Had they not done this, this material would become public domain.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Kennedy ()
Date: January 12, 2019 04:33

I believe that's why the Paris 67 recording was given a very limited release last year.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: January 12, 2019 08:06

Quote
His Majesty
I find it very odd how little they have actually protected in these 66 - 68 protection uploads.

It either shows how little they think of the commercial value of these tapes that they obviously don't care all too much or indicates that they don't have more tapes in their own vaults and that the Stones are not interested to cooperate - in case they have more material in their own vaults.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Rank Stranger ()
Date: January 12, 2019 12:02

Thanks for telling us about this, Deltics.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: ash ()
Date: January 12, 2019 12:06

Quote
Kennedy
I believe that's why the Paris 67 recording was given a very limited release last year.

Interestingly (or perhaps not) , I don't believe ABKCO has any rights to the Paris 65 to 67 concerts. They belong to Europe 1 who recorded and broadcast the shows Musicorama and/or it's parent company. I am currently trying to obtain a licence for a 1961 concert in their archives and it is clear that it is owned by them and I assume the same is true for the rest of their catalogue including the Stones shows.
ABKCO also claim, according to BMI.com, for example, that Don't Lie To Me is a Jagger / Richards composition published by ABKCO as is the Stevie Wonder track being discussed elsewhere on the forum.
Given that a lot more from the Beggars period is around on bootleg, it's surprising that only these 4 tracks are up for copyright protection. What about Blood Red Wine for example ? Does this mean that it's fair game and now in the public domain. We know ABKCO have a tape for it. Their copyright theories don't seem very well thought out.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: muffie ()
Date: January 12, 2019 12:36

Wow! Everybody Pays Their Dues in unheard proper single release quality. Awesome.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-01-12 12:37 by muffie.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: January 12, 2019 13:03

thumbs up You're the man! Nice find.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: runrudolph ()
Date: January 12, 2019 13:08

thanks. Jeroen

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 12, 2019 18:45

Moght be the case that Blood Red Wine is actually from 1969.

Still these protection uploads are just so odd. So much is left unprotected.

What point in protecting one previously unheard recording of the work in progress COTM and not them all and repeat this process for all of their songs?

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 12, 2019 18:52

Public domain is meaningless if no one has access to the recordings.

Quite an odd situation, say they include audio from some previously unpublished recording from 1962 - 1968 in a future film, docu etc, the audio can be released by anyone afterwards.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: January 12, 2019 18:54

What's to stop a label putting out any pre 1969 Stones material that isn't protected by copyright?
If it's in the Public Domain then presumably neither ABKCO or The Stones can do anything about it.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 12, 2019 20:02

Quote
jlowe
What's to stop a label putting out any pre 1969 Stones material that isn't protected by copyright?
If it's in the Public Domain then presumably neither ABKCO or The Stones can do anything about it.

Every unpublished recorded musical note from 1968 and before, in theory, can be released by anyone.

But, you can't release something you don't have.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2019-01-12 20:39 by His Majesty.

Re: 1968 Copyright preservation tracks on YouTube
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 12, 2019 21:05

Excellent! Here’s hoping much more now leaks out

Mickey Mouse Blues (instrumental version of Child of the Moon)
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: January 11, 2019 19:11

The Rolling Stones - Mickey Mouse Blues





According to the video description:

"COPYRIGHT PRESERVATION RELEASE

Mickey Mouse Blues
The Rolling Stones
© 1968 ABKCO Music & Records, Inc. All rights reserved. Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws"

There's some other videos on this YouTube channel although it seems there's nothing new, apart from that COTM instrumental version.

Re: Mickey Mouse Blues (instrumental version of Child of the Moon)
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: January 11, 2019 20:49

Thanks Cristiano - my favorite new Stones song!

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