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For vinyl, like that one the set above comes in
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Which one is better, the 2009 remasters or the 2011 DSD masters? TIA.
Those 2009 remasters are no good from audiophile point of view. They are loud and brickwalled. Technically you can listen to those without headache only in a noisy environment and/or using mobile device. I listen to those during the trips by trains or airplanes .
Flat transfers (DSD 2011) are of their own league. You are getting what was recorded and approved for mastering. They are not mastered. And for some of them mastering can improve things.
As far as I know, the only discs from that set that got mixed reviews are Some Girls and Steel Wheels (post Steel Wheels albums came with 2009/2016 mastering anyway). The rest are highly valued by audiophiles. Although, regular users will say that there is no need to spend extra money because old-good Virgin remasters are perfectly OK in terms of 'sound quality to money' value. So, you know, it is all about your desires.
In any case the albums of The Rolling Stones are not candies for audiophiles.
BTW, somebody you know made a review of that series of flat transfers for FB group you are aware about in December 2021 .
You've lost me...are these 'stamps' then or not?!
These newly released CDs are 'stamps' in their purest form.
Let's try this way.
Discs prepared from flat transfers are nicely sounding stamps.
Here is the list
Discs prepared from 2009 remaster - poorly sounding stamps. They are still nicely packed (like those compilations from 2019, you know, SHM-CDs Rewind, Sucking in the 70's, Made in the shade, Time waits for no one, Shicky fingers-spanish version) but they do not sound good.
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OH?!
Do you actually 'listen' to your stamps?! That would mean you take them out of their package!
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The only issues with my 71 to 2016 box are that most the discs are a bit warped and many suffer from noticeable LF vinyl roar.
The music mastering is vey good when compared to most overcompresed modern offerings.
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treaclefingers
Vinyl Roar?
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ribbelchips
Hmm I was hoping for a reprint of this boxset. Maybe also on colored vinyl like the Abkco set, when I saw this thread was kicked..
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No, rumble is different issue altogether and is a turntable problem
This is more of a cyclic LF "whooshing" sound, really audible only between tracks thankfully.
It can sometimes be an unfortunate side effect of half speed mastering but in this case I think its more of a pressing issue.
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CD SHM does not sell it in Spain and on any website because
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Hmm I was hoping for a reprint of this boxset. Maybe also on colored vinyl like the Abkco set, when I saw this thread was kicked..
It feels like this thing just finally sold out (is it even sold out?) but then I noticed it's been 5 years since it was released so there's hoping I guess.
The difference with the MONO box is that you can buy the albums individually half mastered so that would neutralize sales potential. I'd wager it'll be awhile before you see a new release of the box. Maybe AFTER they can include the 'new album', so...2030?
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They don't sell it in Spain. neither by web nor anything in the fnac of spain
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No, rumble is different issue altogether and is a turntable problem
This is more of a cyclic LF "whooshing" sound, really audible only between tracks thankfully.
It can sometimes be an unfortunate side effect of half speed mastering but in this case I think its more of a pressing issue.
SO...presuming one received a 'non-warped' and good pressing of these discs, would they be considered 'the best' version of the respective vinyl pressings for each, is it a case-by-case. I know there are the MFSL's to consider for Sticky and Some Girls. And is the Exile half-master from Abbey Roads the same as the box set or is this something different again?
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Hmm I was hoping for a reprint of this boxset. Maybe also on colored vinyl like the Abkco set, when I saw this thread was kicked..
It feels like this thing just finally sold out (is it even sold out?) but then I noticed it's been 5 years since it was released so there's hoping I guess.
The difference with the MONO box is that you can buy the albums individually half mastered so that would neutralize sales potential. I'd wager it'll be awhile before you see a new release of the box. Maybe AFTER they can include the 'new album', so...2030?
Yeah I guess.. I bought some of the loose albums in the meanwhile, but they don't come with all the extra's. €35 for a Sticky Fingers without the zipper kinda feels like a ripoff. I bought Exile and it does not contain the postcards. And my Bridges to Babylon isn't a gatefold And I heard Dirty Work is not wrapped in red foil and Emotional Rescue doesn't has it's poster... So i'd rather wait and buy a new reprinted boxset instead of spending a fortune on (in my opinion) incomplete loose releases. And the price for the complete (used) boxset went up pretty steep as well...
Today I visited local FNAC and to my surprise there were six out of ten new SHM-CDs that supposed to be out on July 7, 2023. These wereQuote
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There's a Studio Albums Collection 1971-1986 on Japanese SHM-CD (2009 remaster) with release date 7-Jul-2023 - [www.Bravado.de] :
Sticky Fingers - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Exile on Main St. - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Goats Head Soup - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.fr] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
It's Only Rock 'n Roll - [www.Bravado.de], [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Black and Blue - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Some Girls - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Emotional Rescue - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Tattoo You - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Undercover - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Dirty Work - [www.Bravado.de] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de]
Faithfully reproduced miniature replicas in 5-inch paper sleeves with e.g. working zipper, postcards, inserts & stickers, lyric sheet, cover cut-outs, poster, red shrink wrapping.
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Hmm I was hoping for a reprint of this boxset. Maybe also on colored vinyl like the Abkco set, when I saw this thread was kicked..
It feels like this thing just finally sold out (is it even sold out?) but then I noticed it's been 5 years since it was released so there's hoping I guess.
The difference with the MONO box is that you can buy the albums individually half mastered so that would neutralize sales potential. I'd wager it'll be awhile before you see a new release of the box. Maybe AFTER they can include the 'new album', so...2030?
Yeah I guess.. I bought some of the loose albums in the meanwhile, but they don't come with all the extra's. €35 for a Sticky Fingers without the zipper kinda feels like a ripoff. I bought Exile and it does not contain the postcards. And my Bridges to Babylon isn't a gatefold And I heard Dirty Work is not wrapped in red foil and Emotional Rescue doesn't has it's poster... So i'd rather wait and buy a new reprinted boxset instead of spending a fortune on (in my opinion) incomplete loose releases. And the price for the complete (used) boxset went up pretty steep as well...
Ha ha...you and I want the red cellophane, and the gatefold and the postcards! I'm just not sure you'd get enough people that would be able to move a new issue of boxsets...at least for awhile.
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it's not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls
I have no idea if those CDs with additional letter K in catalog number will be with 'flat transfer'. I already bought Japanese editions form 2020 (flat transfers) and have no will to shell off 26€ out of curiosity. I am just saying it could be a big mess if they will issue CDs with the same package and with the same catalog number + K but with different mastering.Quote
NathanLaze
are "flat transfers" really the case, then ? hopefully everybody has an equalizer on his music system so it's not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls
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NathanLaze
it's not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls
Unfortunately, you cannot solve the 2009 brickwalled mastering - where all instruments have the same volume and where's almost zero dynamic range - via equalization (EQ).
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ironbellyI have no idea if those CDs with additional letter K in catalog number will be with 'flat transfer'. I already bought Japanese editions form 2020 (flat transfers) and have no will to shell off 26€ out of curiosity. I am just saying it could be a big mess if they will issue CDs with the same package and with the same catalog number + K but with different mastering.Quote
NathanLaze
are "flat transfers" really the case, then ? hopefully everybody has an equalizer on his music system so it's not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls
According to the earlier reports this set suppose to be with 2009 remaster. But you newer know. Guess we should wait another week to figure out.
Regarding 'not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls' - irix told you right. You can not turn the tide. The damage was done and you can not remove it by EQ only.
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ironbellyI have no idea if those CDs with additional letter K in catalog number will be with 'flat transfer'. I already bought Japanese editions form 2020 (flat transfers) and have no will to shell off 26€ out of curiosity. I am just saying it could be a big mess if they will issue CDs with the same package and with the same catalog number + K but with different mastering.Quote
NathanLaze
are "flat transfers" really the case, then ? hopefully everybody has an equalizer on his music system so it's not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls
According to the earlier reports this set suppose to be with 2009 remaster. But you newer know. Guess we should wait another week to figure out.
Regarding 'not a big deal turning "2009 remaster" to "flat transfer" using some frequency gain controls' - irix told you right. You can not turn the tide. The damage was done and you can not remove it by EQ only.
And? Are they flat transfers? They're pretty cheap right now. Some Girls and Emotional Rescue cost like €9 now.. I'm willing to buy these albums, but if they sound the same as the brickwalled Universal ones, I'll pass.
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treaclefingers
So when do we predict the new box set will come out? Before or after the next album?
1971-2023, or 1971-2025?
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treaclefingers
So when do we predict the new box set will come out? Before or after the next album?
1971-2023, or 1971-2025?
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treaclefingers
So when do we predict the new box set will come out? Before or after the next album?
1971-2023, or 1971-2025?
So it does matter: the question is whether to buy one or two Box sets.