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The subject: "Is the Hell's Angel who took out Meredith Hunter a Hero?" in my mind is a no win argument. God forbid, had a shot been fired and/or connected with Mick Jagger or anyone else on the stage that dreadful day, we may all be praising the actions of that Hell's Angel for saving one of our beloved rock star celebrities from uncertain death
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The subject: "Is the Hell's Angel who took out Meredith Hunter a Hero?" in my mind is a no win argument. God forbid, had a shot been fired and/or connected with Mick Jagger or anyone else on the stage that dreadful day, we may all be praising the actions of that Hell's Angel for saving one of our beloved rock star celebrities from uncertain death
What's the difference between a rock star and Meredith Hunter? They are equal. Fandom sucks sometimes. It's a no win argument indeed.
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The subject: "Is the Hell's Angel who took out Meredith Hunter a Hero?" in my mind is a no win argument. God forbid, had a shot been fired and/or connected with Mick Jagger or anyone else on the stage that dreadful day, we may all be praising the actions of that Hell's Angel for saving one of our beloved rock star celebrities from uncertain death
What's the difference between a rock star and Meredith Hunter? They are equal. Fandom sucks sometimes. It's a no win argument indeed.
Exactly. And because society at large tends to put celebrities on a pedestal (and I am just as guilty as the next person), had Mick Jagger been taken out that day in 1969, my shallow self would have viewed that Hell's Angel as a hero.
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It is very interesting to me that this thread has gone on 15 pages. The subject: "Is the Hell's Angel who took out Meredith Hunter a Hero?" in my mind is a no win argument. God forbid, had a shot been fired and/or connected with Mick Jagger or anyone else on the stage that dreadful day, we may all be praising the actions of that Hell's Angel for saving one of our beloved rock star celebrities from uncertain death (God I wish somebody was there in December 1980 to intervene and stop that madman Mark David Chapman from gunning down John Lennon). Just my two cents...
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It is very interesting to me that this thread has gone on 15 pages. The subject: "Is the Hell's Angel who took out Meredith Hunter a Hero?" in my mind is a no win argument. God forbid, had a shot been fired and/or connected with Mick Jagger or anyone else on the stage that dreadful day, we may all be praising the actions of that Hell's Angel for saving one of our beloved rock star celebrities from uncertain death (God I wish somebody was there in December 1980 to intervene and stop that madman Mark David Chapman from gunning down John Lennon). Just my two cents...
Somebody gets it.
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Meredith Hunter was born on October 24, 1951 in Alameda County, California, USA as Meredeith Curley Hunter. He died on December 6, 1969 in Altamont, California.
After viewing footage of the stabbing, police identified Alan Passaro, a local Hell's Angel, as the man who did the stabbing, arrested him and charged him with murder. At his trial, however, closer examination of the footage showed that Hunter had clearly pulled a gun toward the stage, before Passaro pulled his knife. Passaro was acquitted on grounds of self-defense.
He was the third of four children born to Altha May Anderson.
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Just because one doesn't think this is race related doesn't mean one doesn't take it seriously.
** and to further clarify, I am not one of those that doesn't think it was not related to race ... my point all along is that we don't know. I just don't get the jumping to conclusions on it and then being so sure that is the way it is, despite no evidence of it (except that he has been determined to be a scumbag hell's angel, which i guess makes him guilty).
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It is very interesting to me that this thread has gone on 15 pages. The subject: "Is the Hell's Angel who took out Meredith Hunter a Hero?" in my mind is a no win argument. God forbid, had a shot been fired and/or connected with Mick Jagger or anyone else on the stage that dreadful day, we may all be praising the actions of that Hell's Angel for saving one of our beloved rock star celebrities from uncertain death (God I wish somebody was there in December 1980 to intervene and stop that madman Mark David Chapman from gunning down John Lennon). Just my two cents...
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No mention of the loaded gun in the air in that article. Hence the scene in GS with Mick narrating the killing. They were being sued.
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"SAN FRANCISCO — 21-year-old Hell's Angel has been indicted for the murder of Meredith Hunter at the Rolling Stones' disastrous free concert at Altamont.
Alameda County District Attorney Lowell Jensen announced the March 24th arrest of Alan David Passaro, who was taken into custody at Soledad Prison, where he was already serving a term for grand theft and sale of grass. Jensen said Passaro was out on bail, awaiting trial on those charges, the day of the concert. He has since been transferred to the Alameda County Jail, where he is being held without bail on the murder charge.
Passaro has a long prison record dating back to 1963 in Antioch, when he was arrested for auto theft and sent to Juvenile Hall. He has been arrested six times in the past, four of them resulting in convictions. At the time of his arrest for murder, he was serving time for back-to-back convictions in June and July of 1969 in San Jose.
According to Alameda County Sheriff Lt. James Chisholm and Detective Sergeant Robert Donovan, their three-month investigation included interviews with more than 1000 people. The key evidence, they said, was footage by crews of the Maysles Brothers, who filmed the entire concert for their documentary on the Stones tour. Several crews had the murder on film.
At almost the same time as the Grand Jury indictment. San Francisco attorney Ephraim Margolin, who was representing the Hunter family in a possible lawsuit, pulled out of the case. Allan Brotsky, a member of attorney Charles Garry's law firm, is considering taking on the case for the Hunter family, who have yet to hear a word from the Stones or any of their representatives. (Garry is best known as the Black Panthers' attorney.)
There was some surprise at the indictment. Many say some sort of hands-off deal exists between the Alameda County Sheriffs and the Angels, and the manner in which the investigation dragged on seemed to indicate little was being done by the law. Now, there is speculation that more indictments may come down, since Hunter was brutally stomped before the actual knifing.
The Alameda County Coroner's report on Hunter, the 18-year-old Berkeley black who was one of four to die that dreary December 6th at Altamont Raceway, also confirms that he was beaten as well as stabbed. While the cause of death is listed as shock and hemorrhage due to multiple stab wounds, the report also lists no less than nine head abrasions large enough to be classed as wounds.
There are five stab wounds listed on the back of the body, nine on the head, and two on the neck. (The "wounds" listed on the arms and inside of the elbow are actually needle-marks, consistent with the finding of 1.0 MG% of methamphetamine in the urine and 0.1 MG% of amphetamine in the liver.)
"Shock and hemorrhage" means that blood flowed to one particular part of Hunter's body after he was stabbed, thereby causing what is known as "blood shock," or just "shock." This might not have been fatal but for the fact that the pulmonary artery, the one that supplies blood to the lungs, was severed by one of the stab wounds, thereby causing the hemorrhage. The viciousness of the knifing is best seen in the stab wounds themselves, which ranged from two and three-quarters to four and one-quarter inches in depth.
Forthcoming from Rolling Stone will be a new inquiry into many of the unanswered questions from Altamont. While much of what went on down there is still a mystery, some things have become more clear in the last four months.
This story is from the April 30th, 1970 issue of Rolling Stone."
This article gets into a bit of detail about some of the aspects of that day.
I will have a great deal more to speak about on this topic but for the moment I will only add this:
The Rolling Stones got caught between a rock and a hard place that day.
The "rock" being American greed and the "hard place" being American violence.
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I will have a great deal more to speak about on this topic but for the moment I will only add this:
The Rolling Stones got caught between a rock and a hard place that day.
The "rock" being American greed and the "hard place" being American violence.
I know Passaro also went to jail in 1980 and got out in 1984 and then died in 1985. He was bad news no doubt.
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This is certainly a debate that will rage on for many years and even more so as we approach the 50th anniversary of the concert event. Hopefully, we will get an official release by Stones of the show in its entirety, complete with all the restarts and banter. I especially would hope to see complete footage of the show including any new found footage and/or lost film.
As in the movie version of "Gimme Shelter," I feel like the scene in the end of the movie where the crowd is walking away from the long night in the early morning sunrise after the show is over and looking back and reflecting. I'm sure there will be more angles and views to digest and bring to discussion. A special thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and to BV for letting us go at it and hash it out. 1969, what a year in music history.
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This is certainly a debate that will rage on for many years and even more so as we approach the 50th anniversary of the concert event. Hopefully, we will get an official release by Stones of the show in its entirety, complete with all the restarts and banter. I especially would hope to see complete footage of the show including any new found footage and/or lost film.
As in the movie version of "Gimme Shelter," I feel like the scene in the end of the movie where the crowd is walking away from the long night in the early morning sunrise after the show is over and looking back and reflecting. I'm sure there will be more angles and views to digest and bring to discussion. A special thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and to BV for letting us go at it and hash it out. 1969, what a year in music history.
An official release ? God no. Why? Totally unnecessary. And it will only serve to to perpetuate this Hells Angels mastabatory adulation. Yuck.
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Was Hunter a Innocent bystander? Apparently he had a short fuse, was armed and dangerous!
Wonder what was going on in the hour or so before his death? Was he being disruptive to those around him? Was he previously known by the Angels?
Why did he separate from Patti as the Stones were playing - pictures of him moving toward the stage. Was he on the stage and told to get off and then pushed off? Maybe that set him off.
I doubt the Angels decided to get racial with him while the Stones were playing and there were hundreds of other people right in front of the stage!
From Sam Culter's book - You Can't Always Get What You Want. His name
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This is certainly a debate that will rage on for many years and even more so as we approach the 50th anniversary of the concert event. Hopefully, we will get an official release by Stones of the show in its entirety, complete with all the restarts and banter. I especially would hope to see complete footage of the show including any new found footage and/or lost film.
As in the movie version of "Gimme Shelter," I feel like the scene in the end of the movie where the crowd is walking away from the long night in the early morning sunrise after the show is over and looking back and reflecting. I'm sure there will be more angles and views to digest and bring to discussion. A special thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and to BV for letting us go at it and hash it out. 1969, what a year in music history.
An official release ? God no. Why? Totally unnecessary. And it will only serve to to perpetuate this Hells Angels mastabatory adulation. Yuck.
You don't have to buy it, but a lot of us will. Musically, it was a great show even with the problems. One of the best of the 1969 tour, and the last.
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This is certainly a debate that will rage on for many years and even more so as we approach the 50th anniversary of the concert event. Hopefully, we will get an official release by Stones of the show in its entirety, complete with all the restarts and banter. I especially would hope to see complete footage of the show including any new found footage and/or lost film.
As in the movie version of "Gimme Shelter," I feel like the scene in the end of the movie where the crowd is walking away from the long night in the early morning sunrise after the show is over and looking back and reflecting. I'm sure there will be more angles and views to digest and bring to discussion. A special thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion and to BV for letting us go at it and hash it out. 1969, what a year in music history.
An official release ? God no. Why? Totally unnecessary. And it will only serve to to perpetuate this Hells Angels mastabatory adulation. Yuck.
You don't have to buy it, but a lot of us will. Musically, it was a great show even with the problems. One of the best of the 1969 tour, and the last.
Perhaps they could include Hunter Meredith’s autopsy notes or some genuine Hells Angel pubic hair as extras with the package.
Then you could really get your rocks off
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Just because one doesn't think this is race related doesn't mean one doesn't take it seriously.
** and to further clarify, I am not one of those that doesn't think it was not related to race ... my point all along is that we don't know. I just don't get the jumping to conclusions on it and then being so sure that is the way it is, despite no evidence of it (except that he has been determined to be a scumbag hell's angel, which i guess makes him guilty).
The only jumping to conclusions seems to be the stance that no way it was in any way related to race.
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You are all about race period and you have an agenda.
Yep. It could be that I take racism more seriously than you do.
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