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The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: February 9, 2018 07:43

Not sure if it's been discussed but the every time I hear each of these songs it sounds like a different version of the same song.

Slim Harpo (1966) Shake Your Hips / Stones (1972) Shake Your Hips

ZZ Top (1973) La Grange

Did both bands credit Slim Harpo?

ZZ Top - La Grange

video: [www.youtube.com]

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: February 9, 2018 07:43

Slim Harpo - Shake Your Hips

video: [www.youtube.com]

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: February 9, 2018 08:17

Just read this on songfacts, though I think La Grange sounds closer to Slim Harpo's Shake Your Hips than it does to John Lee Hooker's Boogie Chillen (edit: video below).

"The music is based on a John Lee Hooker song called "Boogie Chillen." Hooker died in 2001 at age 83. In 1992, Bernard Besman, who owned the copyright to "Boogie Chillen,"
claimed he had just recently heard the song and sued ZZ Top. After years of litigation, a court ruled that "Boogie Chillen" was in the public domain and ZZ Top was not liable".


Not sure if ZZ Top were familiar with the Stones' version of Shake Your Hips when they recorded LaGrange (released in '73), but chances are they might have.
No doubt though that they had to be familiar with one of the versions though as there are some similarities , but there are some subtle differences as well.
Songwriting is credited to Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Frank Beard aka ZZ Top, so the question is if the estate of Slim Harpo had any issues with it.

John Lee Hooker - Boogie Chillun




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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-02-09 08:24 by Hairball.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Date: February 9, 2018 08:19

It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: February 9, 2018 08:58

Here's another variation with similarities (and differences) - Freddie King recorded live in c.1973:

Freddie King - Boogie Funk




And this studio recording of Freddie King and Eric Clapton playing the same jam in '74 or '75:

The Freddie King Criteria Studios Sessions - Boogie Funk




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Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 9, 2018 09:06



ROCKMAN

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: February 9, 2018 09:14

Absolutely loved it when the Stones brought out John Lee Hooker in Atlantic City to play Boogie Chillen in 1989. Hooker took over the stage as Eric Clapton hung around after a hot "Little Red Rooster."

video: [www.youtube.com] Boogie Chillen

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: February 9, 2018 09:22

Quote
The Sicilian
Absolutely loved it when the Stones brought out John Lee Hooker in Atlantic City to play Boogie Chillen in 1989. Hooker took over the stage as Eric Clapton hung around after a hot "Little Red Rooster."

video: [www.youtube.com] Boogie Chillen

Awesome to see John Lee Hooker up there - he exudes so much coolness - were you at that show Sicilian?

I was lucky enough to see him back around 1979 at the very small Fox Theater in Venice, CA with Canned Heat and the Chambers Brothers - being only 16 at the time I was in complete awe.

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EDIT: Found this old article from Rolling Stone magazine (1990) regarding the pay per view:

Rolling Stones Wrap Up U.S. Tour With Eric Clapton, Axl Rose, John Lee Hooker

Interesting quote here - how times have changed:

"With a kind of crazed appropriateness, the Convention Center shows were presented by Trump Plaza, owned by Donald Trump,
the perfect person to place the cherry on the cake of a tour as distinguished for its marketing as for its music".


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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-02-09 09:33 by Hairball.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Thommie ()
Date: February 9, 2018 09:24

Quote
DandelionPowderman
It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

John Lee should have been sued for ripping off his own songs!!!

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: February 9, 2018 09:59

Quote
Hairball
Quote
The Sicilian
Absolutely loved it when the Stones brought out John Lee Hooker in Atlantic City to play Boogie Chillen in 1989. Hooker took over the stage as Eric Clapton hung around after a hot "Little Red Rooster."

video: [www.youtube.com] Boogie Chillen

Awesome to see John Lee Hooker up there - he exudes so much coolness - were you at that show Sicilian?

I was lucky enough to see him back around 1979 at the very small Fox Theater in Venice, CA with Canned Heat and the Chambers Brothers - being only 16 at the time I was in complete awe.

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EDIT: Found this old article from Rolling Stone magazine (1990) regarding the pay per view:

Rolling Stones Wrap Up U.S. Tour With Eric Clapton, Axl Rose, John Lee Hooker

Interesting quote here - how times have changed:

"With a kind of crazed appropriateness, the Convention Center shows were presented by Trump Plaza, owned by Donald Trump,
the perfect person to place the cherry on the cake of a tour as distinguished for its marketing as for its music".

I saw them twice in 1989 in Toronto. At the CNE in late summer. The Stone Temple Pilots opened and I think they did an acoustic set. Then I went back to the SkyDome in December and Living Colour opened.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: jp.M ()
Date: February 9, 2018 10:34

.....and the "Canned heat" boogie.....!

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 9, 2018 11:19

Hooker borrowed from Clarksdale bluesman Tony Hollins ....
Crawlin' Kingsnake 1941 (although Big Joe Williams recorded it first)
and Hooker turned Hollin's Travellin' Man Blues into his own When My First Wife Left Me ....

Hollins also cut the first recording of Cross Cut Saw Blues in 1941 but it was never issued .....

ROCKMAN

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Date: February 9, 2018 11:24

Quote
Thommie
Quote
DandelionPowderman
It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

John Lee should have been sued for ripping off his own songs!!!

Because? (or did I miss the joke? smiling smiley )

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Date: February 9, 2018 11:26

Quote
Rockman
Hooker borrowed from Clarksdale bluesman Tony Hollins ....
Crawlin' Kingsnake 1941 (although Big Joe Williams recorded it first)
and Hooker turned Hollin's Travellin' Man Blues into his own When My First Wife Left Me ....

Hollins also cut the first recording of Cross Cut Saw Blues in 1941 but it was never issued .....

It's no use going all the way back, Rockee. It will be like trying to find out who invented the boogie smiling smiley

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 9, 2018 11:27

And don't forget Garfield Ackers - Cottonfield Blues 1929 ... Maybe Hooker heard it

ROCKMAN

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 9, 2018 11:28

It will be like trying to find out who invented the boogie....hhhhaaaa imagine the royalties$$$$$

ROCKMAN

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: February 9, 2018 13:04

Good stuff , that's how music is supposed to sound smiling smiley

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 9, 2018 13:11

Quote
Thommie
Quote
DandelionPowderman
It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

John Lee should have been sued for ripping off his own songs!!!

John Fogerty was!

"No Anchovies, Please"

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Thommie ()
Date: February 9, 2018 16:08

Quote
Elmo Lewis
Quote
Thommie
Quote
DandelionPowderman
It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

John Lee should have been sued for ripping off his own songs!!!

John Fogerty was!
Yes, and as much as I love Van Morrison he culd be qualified, too.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Thommie ()
Date: February 9, 2018 16:09

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
Thommie
Quote
DandelionPowderman
It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

John Lee should have been sued for ripping off his own songs!!!

Because? (or did I miss the joke? smiling smiley )
Sort of, Dan. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: February 10, 2018 00:41

La Grange is half Hip Shake and half Boogie Chillun!

I've mentioned on here before but go to Youtube and check out Joan Osborne and her band doing Hip Shake at a radio station, awesome! Don't know how to provide a link.

Speaking of ZZ, Jesus Just Left Chicago and AC/DC Ride On are similar.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 11, 2018 18:39

Quote
The Sicilian
Not sure if it's been discussed but the every time I hear each of these songs it sounds like a different version of the same song.

Slim Harpo (1966) Shake Your Hips / Stones (1972) Shake Your Hips

ZZ Top (1973) La Grange

Because it is.

Rollin' And Tumblin' has been changed many times over the years but a lot of them seem to be based off of Muddy Waters' version. But that's the same song title with the same or similar music so a bit different than what you're pointing out.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 11, 2018 18:50

Quote
Hairball
Quote
The Sicilian
Absolutely loved it when the Stones brought out John Lee Hooker in Atlantic City to play Boogie Chillen in 1989. Hooker took over the stage as Eric Clapton hung around after a hot "Little Red Rooster."

video: [www.youtube.com] Boogie Chillen

Awesome to see John Lee Hooker up there - he exudes so much coolness - were you at that show Sicilian?

I was lucky enough to see him back around 1979 at the very small Fox Theater in Venice, CA with Canned Heat and the Chambers Brothers - being only 16 at the time I was in complete awe.

____________________________________________________________

EDIT: Found this old article from Rolling Stone magazine (1990) regarding the pay per view:

Rolling Stones Wrap Up U.S. Tour With Eric Clapton, Axl Rose, John Lee Hooker

Interesting quote here - how times have changed:

"With a kind of crazed appropriateness, the Convention Center shows were presented by Trump Plaza, owned by Donald Trump,
the perfect person to place the cherry on the cake of a tour as distinguished for its marketing as for its music".

Based on what's available to read about that tour, the Stones themselves probably or possibly didn't know until the date approached, and yet... well, I don't really need to $ay anthing that would $ound $illy, do I? Am I taking the pi$$? Maybe...

As the story goes, Mick Jagger, Richards, and the rest of the band members (to their credit), registered serious reluctance that a nine-digit paycheck was worth being associated with such a goon. So to assuage their fears, Cohl drew up a contract barring Trump from promoting the show in one of his self-aggrandizing press conferences or even attending the concert himself.

[www.vanityfair.com]

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: February 11, 2018 21:25

Quote
DGA35
I've mentioned on here before but go to Youtube and check out Joan Osborne and her band doing Hip Shake at a radio station, awesome! Don't know how to provide a link.

video: [www.youtube.com]

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: February 12, 2018 02:20

I remember going to a Springsteen show about 10 years ago and they played one of their songs that had this riff. I said to my friend "This sounds like ZZ Top" and then this guy sitting in front of me replied in a snotty tone of voice
" ... or Bo Diddley" as if to correct me, but he just said it to his girlfriend next to him. He didn't even turn around to look at me... Wait what were we talking about?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-02-12 02:33 by ryanpow.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: February 13, 2018 19:40

Weird, I know, this recognition I've been experiencing;
but listening to a Lot of classical music this year thus far;
various composers and general stylistic 'movements' culturally.
Honestly, I think I've heard a dozen hard rock riffs and various familiar popular melodies,
(and a much more interesting development context that longer pieces employ).

So who wrote what always a pile-on.

With ZZ and that riff:
Gosh both groups are mining the same hole here; both do it with a lot of excitement;
those 'who came first' things are fun tho....

L.A. band Love, coming out with "She Comes in Colors" in lyrics,
way before the Stones song for one example....
tho that was lyrics, not that riff (everyone) uses and works around;
which i think is somewhat considered
standard by now.

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 13, 2018 19:54

Quote
DGA35
La Grange is half Hip Shake and half Boogie Chillun!

I've mentioned on here before but go to Youtube and check out Joan Osborne and her band doing Hip Shake at a radio station, awesome! Don't know how to provide a link.

Speaking of ZZ, Jesus Just Left Chicago and AC/DC Ride On are similar.

"Ride On" also has a "Fool For Your Stockings" feel.

"No Anchovies, Please"

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: February 13, 2018 21:31

Fool For Your Stockings is a great song!

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Nothing to do, nowhere to go...you're talkin' to people that you don't know....

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Date: February 13, 2018 21:46

Quote
Thommie
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
Thommie
Quote
DandelionPowderman
It's a way of playing the blues, not a unique riff - just like a guitar boogie. John Lee Hooker has several songs with this motif as well - way before Slim.

John Lee should have been sued for ripping off his own songs!!!

Because? (or did I miss the joke? smiling smiley )
Sort of, Dan. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Just like Status Quo, right?

Re: The Stones "Shake Your Hips" and ZZ Top "La Grange" same riff?
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: February 14, 2018 14:27

Quote
Elmo Lewis
Quote
DGA35
La Grange is half Hip Shake and half Boogie Chillun!

I've mentioned on here before but go to Youtube and check out Joan Osborne and her band doing Hip Shake at a radio station, awesome! Don't know how to provide a link.

Speaking of ZZ, Jesus Just Left Chicago and AC/DC Ride On are similar.

"Ride On" also has a "Fool For Your Stockings" feel.

[www.youtube.com]

Here's the link to that Joan Osborne version of "Hip Shake" you mentioned.
I hadn't heard it before and I'm SURE really glad for the referral.
They do an incredible job; hurricane force and she's an awesome force of nature.

I recently saw her when I luckily scrolled across Cheap Trick special
Sgt. Pepper Anniversary tribute concert, which was Totally awesome.
She was in the cast and did beautifully; Brought some heat and soul.
It's a stone pity how under-rated each and every member of Cheap Trick is;
Yes Bun E. Carlos is back for this show. which is huge in itself for Trick fans.

Yes this version of Hip Shake is absolutely blowing my head off...
wow. Incredible band really working it out with authority and power.
She's a powerful angel of delight.
Hey, thanks for this. Hats off smileys with beer
She's totally won me over time and again.

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I know how to post a link by 'copying and pasting' from the address bar
on a page (clip) I'm referring to.

But a lot of folks know how to make the actual video appear in their posts...
or stills...
\I don't have photobucket or a pay service.
I don't know how to do that with pictures; a 'still,' I mean, either.
Which is frustrating when I find something really cool to share
on a pic thread of one kind or another, and can't contribute a really cool shot.
Sometimes just 'copy and paste' the address of a still won't bring it up.
If anyone can splain it, ty.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2018-02-14 14:35 by hopkins.

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