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English is tricky indeed. Favourite oxymoron: Prospect Cemetery. Erm...not so much.
My coin dealer tells me that was done a lot in the old days. Not where the coins were minted, but someone with access to the tools that could alter the "e" in "cent" to a "u". They show up in coin shops to this day. I bought one last summer, an 1847 large cent with that alteration on the reverse: [24carat.co.uk]
I learn such weird stuff from you...um..gents!
I agree with all of you, and have such great admiration and respect for everyone from outside the U.K. who post on here.
I would be completely lost on a non English language forum, and have met over the years so many music fans who contribute to IORR and many other music sites, in a language which is not their own spoken word.
Big thanks to you all from all over the world, on the best Stones site ever,run by a great guy from Norway, and so much great info given on here from such knowledgeable fans from all over the world.
Long sentences I know, but hope you get what I mean.................... in the only language as a guy from London ,who never learnt to speak a foreign language as well as a lot of you guys and gals.
.................................. Hey LG ya should get one for Eleanor's birthday ....
ROCKMAN
Like Aussies. God help us if THEY start rapping.
Dang, and I thought it was newly minted in honour of you know who................>< ..............................(Bono of course......
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-01-16 00:09 by EddieByword.
Found this bit of info. - not sure if true or not, but it is from a coin dealer site:
"An old brothel token the word 'CENT' is modified into "C*NT". The procedure was to pay the 'madam' the amount of cash and receive a Token. The 'girl' (prostitute) would take the Tokens from the customer and at the end of the evening she would return the tokens to the 'madam'. The token prevented the 'girls' from handling money directly. This coin was used as the Token".
One C*nt
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
ROCKMAN
I know, right? I'm like... you know?
Ah, because that's simply juice sauce, right? Yes, I'd like a glass of milk water.
In the US it seems to be, from my experience anyway, only said around the winter holidays, because the rest of the year people just say gravy, which it basically is in the States.
Interesting. I love different perspectives... I've never seen an "au jus" that I would consider a "gravy" or vice versa. In my experience, gravy has flour (or a thickening agent of some sort) added as opposed to "au jus" simply being the drippings/juice left after cooking the meat possibly with added liquid to increase the quantity.
In my world, biscuits and gravy is a menu item that was passed directly from God's kitchen to my dinner table while I don't think I could ever bring myself to order "biscuits au jus". At least not without having a conversation with my server to get some clarification first.
That's what makes these conversations so fun sometimes. Hearing some of the differences between regions and experiences & differences from within those regions. Fun stuff.
Side note: When ordering biscuits and gravy north of the Mason-Dixon line, it's best to expect them to fall short of southern standards regardless of how good the locals claim them to be. The same could be said with regards to ordering New England-style Clam Chowder outside of New England.
Another side note: regardless of what it's being called locally, if you're in someone's home (as opposed to a public place), all bets are off with regards to what something is called or how it's prepared. In my experience, if I hear the words "well that's what my grandma called it and this is how she made it", something good is about to hit my plate and taste buds!
Peace,
Mr DJA
No, ‘au jus’ means ‘with sauce’, so the above quote reads ‘with with sauce sauce’.
Wow, another example of the Mandela Effect. I was sure I remembered it differently.
Biscuits and gravy?! By biscuits I take it you mean Rich Tea, chocolate digestive or perhaps a bourbon? Can't imagine they soak up much gravy
Indeed there is a difference. I was a kid so perhaps it wasn't gravy and I just figured it was because of all the other suppers and I thought they were "being fancy". My grandmother loved to say "au jus". I can't recall her ever saying "sauce" after it. So maybe I have it wrong with it being gravy and it really was au jus.
Probably.
Well, there's another one: gender specific is one of those terms that has somehow taken on a lot of gravity when in reality it doesn't have to have anything to do with someone's sex.
Somehow it's come to replace the male/female aspect for 'the sex of' even though it's not accurate. Does anyone ever look at a dog and wonder what gender it is?
No. But they do wonder what sex it is.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
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Date: January 15, 2018 22:48
Thanks much for changing the offensive topic name.. appreciated.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: January 15, 2018 22:59
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Koen
One of my favorite redundancies: “With au jus sauce”.
English is tricky indeed. Favourite oxymoron: Prospect Cemetery. Erm...not so much.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: January 15, 2018 23:02
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SomeTorontoGirl
A lot of people are quietly saving that image, stonehearted.
My coin dealer tells me that was done a lot in the old days. Not where the coins were minted, but someone with access to the tools that could alter the "e" in "cent" to a "u". They show up in coin shops to this day. I bought one last summer, an 1847 large cent with that alteration on the reverse: [24carat.co.uk]
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: January 15, 2018 23:05
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stoneheartedQuote
SomeTorontoGirl
A lot of people are quietly saving that image, stonehearted.
My coin dealer tells me that was done a lot in the old days. Not where the coins were minted, but someone with access to the tools that could alter the "e" in "cent" to a "u". They show up in coin shops to this day. I bought one last summer, an 1847 large cent with that alteration on the reverse: [24carat.co.uk]
I learn such weird stuff from you...um..gents!
Re: OT: many today talking a retarded language
Posted by:
crawdaddy
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Date: January 15, 2018 23:10
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mr_djaQuote
dead.flowersQuote
Bliss
I have the greatest admiration for members of this board who communicate so well in English when it is not their native language.
Nice gesture! I appreciate that Bliss, because it addresses me too. I am always trying my best to be understood properly. However, sometimes I am lacking to understand some posts, maybe due to the use of idioms, street language or phrases that are difficult to understand for a person from a third country who hasn't undergone the same or a similar socialisation.
dead.flowers
Slang and the vernacular pose huge problems for non native speakers. Like Bliss, since my earliest days of lurking here, I have had huge amounts for the abilities of many of the posters here to communicate in a language they don't use exclusively or primarily. I know I'd be lost at a non-English based web forum.
Personally, as I see and hear language skills decreasing around me, I try to listen/read for intent and don't really waste my time getting torn up about it. My apathy has outweighed my concern and desire to correct. Unless guidance is requested, then I'll provide as much assistance as I'm able. I'll warn you though: There are far better people to ask for linguistic help than me... English was NOT my strong subject in school.
Peace,
Mr DJA
I agree with all of you, and have such great admiration and respect for everyone from outside the U.K. who post on here.
I would be completely lost on a non English language forum, and have met over the years so many music fans who contribute to IORR and many other music sites, in a language which is not their own spoken word.
Big thanks to you all from all over the world, on the best Stones site ever,run by a great guy from Norway, and so much great info given on here from such knowledgeable fans from all over the world.
Long sentences I know, but hope you get what I mean.................... in the only language as a guy from London ,who never learnt to speak a foreign language as well as a lot of you guys and gals.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: January 15, 2018 23:21
Meh, language (especially spoken language) is always in a state of evolution as a result of multiple influences and perceived ease of use. In this case I think the influences include the use of textspeak and Twitter's (former) 140-character limit, both of which contribute to abbreviated speech patterns (omitting verbs, etc.).
Count me among those who are impressed by the language skills of the non-native English speakers here, and I'm VERY happy to see the original thread title has been modified. It would be nice if the word retarded used in most senses could evolve itself out of the language.
Count me among those who are impressed by the language skills of the non-native English speakers here, and I'm VERY happy to see the original thread title has been modified. It would be nice if the word retarded used in most senses could evolve itself out of the language.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 15, 2018 23:29
.................................. Hey LG ya should get one for Eleanor's birthday ....
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Leonioid
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Date: January 15, 2018 23:33
Re: OT: many today talking a retarded language
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: January 15, 2018 23:36
Quote
crawdaddy
...I agree with all of you, and have such great admiration and respect for everyone from outside the U.K. who post on here...
Like Aussies. God help us if THEY start rapping.
Re: OT: many today talking a retarded language
Posted by:
EddieByword
()
Date: January 16, 2018 00:07
Quote
stoneheartedQuote
EddieByword
Who would have thought that the word C%*t was in common acceptable usage in England 200 years ago
Here in the States as well...
Dang, and I thought it was newly minted in honour of you know who................>
< ..............................(Bono of course......Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-01-16 00:09 by EddieByword.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: January 16, 2018 00:45
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stoneheartedQuote
SomeTorontoGirl
A lot of people are quietly saving that image, stonehearted.
My coin dealer tells me that was done a lot in the old days. Not where the coins were minted, but someone with access to the tools that could alter the "e" in "cent" to a "u". They show up in coin shops to this day. I bought one last summer, an 1847 large cent with that alteration on the reverse: [24carat.co.uk]
Found this bit of info. - not sure if true or not, but it is from a coin dealer site:
"An old brothel token the word 'CENT' is modified into "C*NT". The procedure was to pay the 'madam' the amount of cash and receive a Token. The 'girl' (prostitute) would take the Tokens from the customer and at the end of the evening she would return the tokens to the 'madam'. The token prevented the 'girls' from handling money directly. This coin was used as the Token".
One C*nt
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 16, 2018 00:50
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: January 16, 2018 02:08
Dude,
Chill.
LOL, I confess my favorite part of ‘The Crown’ was luxuriating in proper,
intelligent, thoughtful, oral debates and dialogue
spoken in the English language.
There’s no hope for us Californians,
God save the Queen.
Chill.
LOL, I confess my favorite part of ‘The Crown’ was luxuriating in proper,
intelligent, thoughtful, oral debates and dialogue
spoken in the English language.
There’s no hope for us Californians,
God save the Queen.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: January 16, 2018 02:38
International readers may be amused by U.S. comedian and TV host Steve Allen who in the 1950s gave a reading of the lyrics to Be Bop A Lula, like it was a poetry recital: [www.youtube.com]
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 16, 2018 06:26
.....lurv it when Larry David's hangin' with Leon in Curb .....rap talkin'
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: January 16, 2018 11:27
I'm reminded of a Reginald D Hunter story.
#
[For those who don't know m he's a black Souther States comic who lives in the UK.]
Reginald was speaking with an old English lady and subject of Winston Churchill was raised.
Reginald: " ... he dead "
Old Lady: "I think you mean he died"
Reginald ." Yeah...he did die....now he dead"
#
[For those who don't know m he's a black Souther States comic who lives in the UK.]
Reginald was speaking with an old English lady and subject of Winston Churchill was raised.
Reginald: " ... he dead "
Old Lady: "I think you mean he died"
Reginald ." Yeah...he did die....now he dead"
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
eduardoacdc
()
Date: January 16, 2018 11:50
Sometimes I'm afraid I'm losing my well spoken correct-ish English because I listen too many Gallagher brothers interviews and I'm Spanish d'y know what i mean
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: January 16, 2018 12:09
No worries Eduardo! Speaking mancunian is bound to get us some extra service when we travel down south in the states.Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and so on. I can say that from my own experience.
Bless, they love us europeans down there.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-01-16 12:09 by MadMax.
Bless, they love us europeans down there.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-01-16 12:09 by MadMax.
Re: OT: many today talking a retarded language
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 16, 2018 16:44
Quote
wonderboy
It has always bothered me that Jagger doesn't sing, 'I can't get *any* Satisfaction.'
I know, right? I'm like... you know?
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 16, 2018 16:54
Quote
Koen
One of my favorite redundancies: “With au jus sauce”.
Ah, because that's simply juice sauce, right? Yes, I'd like a glass of milk water.
In the US it seems to be, from my experience anyway, only said around the winter holidays, because the rest of the year people just say gravy, which it basically is in the States.
Re: OT: many today talking a retarded language
Posted by:
Cristiano Radtke
()
Date: January 16, 2018 17:15
Quote
SomeTorontoGirlQuote
crawdaddy
...I agree with all of you, and have such great admiration and respect for everyone from outside the U.K. who post on here...
Like Aussies. God help us if THEY start rapping.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 16, 2018 17:32
I think it was Rolling Stone magazine that had an interview with Britney Spears, a few years ago, I don't recall which one, and for some reason I started to read it. Not quite half way through I started laughing at it. So I grabbed a blue pen and underlined all the times she said
like
you know
like, you know
It was astounding how many blue lines were on the pages.
I've wondered if the editor(s) ever messed with interviews to "clean them up" but based on that one, they do not. Or did not.
like
you know
like, you know
It was astounding how many blue lines were on the pages.
I've wondered if the editor(s) ever messed with interviews to "clean them up" but based on that one, they do not. Or did not.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
mr_dja
()
Date: January 16, 2018 18:14
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Koen
One of my favorite redundancies: “With au jus sauce”.
Ah, because that's simply juice sauce, right? Yes, I'd like a glass of milk water.
In the US it seems to be, from my experience anyway, only said around the winter holidays, because the rest of the year people just say gravy, which it basically is in the States.
Interesting. I love different perspectives... I've never seen an "au jus" that I would consider a "gravy" or vice versa. In my experience, gravy has flour (or a thickening agent of some sort) added as opposed to "au jus" simply being the drippings/juice left after cooking the meat possibly with added liquid to increase the quantity.
In my world, biscuits and gravy is a menu item that was passed directly from God's kitchen to my dinner table while I don't think I could ever bring myself to order "biscuits au jus". At least not without having a conversation with my server to get some clarification first.
That's what makes these conversations so fun sometimes. Hearing some of the differences between regions and experiences & differences from within those regions. Fun stuff.
Side note: When ordering biscuits and gravy north of the Mason-Dixon line, it's best to expect them to fall short of southern standards regardless of how good the locals claim them to be. The same could be said with regards to ordering New England-style Clam Chowder outside of New England.
Another side note: regardless of what it's being called locally, if you're in someone's home (as opposed to a public place), all bets are off with regards to what something is called or how it's prepared. In my experience, if I hear the words "well that's what my grandma called it and this is how she made it", something good is about to hit my plate and taste buds!
Peace,
Mr DJA
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: January 16, 2018 18:16
Yes, GLS. Discourse particles or "linguistic tics" they are called. I don't mind kids (like Britney) using them but when scholars use (the overuse that is) them it irritates me.
The latter is quite common these days, I'm afraid. The discourse particles Britney uses are also gender specific (sexolekt in Swedish) often used by younger women.
The latter is quite common these days, I'm afraid. The discourse particles Britney uses are also gender specific (sexolekt in Swedish) often used by younger women.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: January 16, 2018 18:31
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Koen
One of my favorite redundancies: “With au jus sauce”.
Ah, because that's simply juice sauce, right? Yes, I'd like a glass of milk water.
No, ‘au jus’ means ‘with sauce’, so the above quote reads ‘with with sauce sauce’.
Re: OT: many today talking a retarded language
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: January 16, 2018 19:25
Quote
stoneheartedQuote
EddieByword
Who would have thought that the word C%*t was in common acceptable usage in England 200 years ago
Here in the States as well...
Wow, another example of the Mandela Effect. I was sure I remembered it differently.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
Elmo
()
Date: January 16, 2018 22:51
Quote
mr_djaQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
Koen
One of my favorite redundancies: “With au jus sauce”.
Ah, because that's simply juice sauce, right? Yes, I'd like a glass of milk water.
In the US it seems to be, from my experience anyway, only said around the winter holidays, because the rest of the year people just say gravy, which it basically is in the States.
Interesting. I love different perspectives... I've never seen an "au jus" that I would consider a "gravy" or vice versa. In my experience, gravy has flour (or a thickening agent of some sort) added as opposed to "au jus" simply being the drippings/juice left after cooking the meat possibly with added liquid to increase the quantity.
In my world, biscuits and gravy is a menu item that was passed directly from God's kitchen to my dinner table while I don't think I could ever bring myself to order "biscuits au jus". At least not without having a conversation with my server to get some clarification first.
That's what makes these conversations so fun sometimes. Hearing some of the differences between regions and experiences & differences from within those regions. Fun stuff.
Side note: When ordering biscuits and gravy north of the Mason-Dixon line, it's best to expect them to fall short of southern standards regardless of how good the locals claim them to be. The same could be said with regards to ordering New England-style Clam Chowder outside of New England.
Another side note: regardless of what it's being called locally, if you're in someone's home (as opposed to a public place), all bets are off with regards to what something is called or how it's prepared. In my experience, if I hear the words "well that's what my grandma called it and this is how she made it", something good is about to hit my plate and taste buds!
Peace,
Mr DJA
Biscuits and gravy?! By biscuits I take it you mean Rich Tea, chocolate digestive or perhaps a bourbon? Can't imagine they soak up much gravy
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 16, 2018 23:22
Quote
mr_djaQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
Koen
One of my favorite redundancies: “With au jus sauce”.
Ah, because that's simply juice sauce, right? Yes, I'd like a glass of milk water.
In the US it seems to be, from my experience anyway, only said around the winter holidays, because the rest of the year people just say gravy, which it basically is in the States.
Interesting. I love different perspectives... I've never seen an "au jus" that I would consider a "gravy" or vice versa. In my experience, gravy has flour (or a thickening agent of some sort) added as opposed to "au jus" simply being the drippings/juice left after cooking the meat possibly with added liquid to increase the quantity.
Indeed there is a difference. I was a kid so perhaps it wasn't gravy and I just figured it was because of all the other suppers and I thought they were "being fancy". My grandmother loved to say "au jus". I can't recall her ever saying "sauce" after it. So maybe I have it wrong with it being gravy and it really was au jus.
Probably.
Re: OT: Many today talking an inaccurate language
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 16, 2018 23:27
Quote
Stoneage
Yes, GLS. Discourse particles or "linguistic tics" they are called. I don't mind kids (like Britney) using them but when scholars use (the overuse that is) them it irritates me.
The latter is quite common these days, I'm afraid. The discourse particles Britney uses are also gender specific (sexolekt in Swedish) often used by younger women.
Well, there's another one: gender specific is one of those terms that has somehow taken on a lot of gravity when in reality it doesn't have to have anything to do with someone's sex.
Somehow it's come to replace the male/female aspect for 'the sex of' even though it's not accurate. Does anyone ever look at a dog and wonder what gender it is?
No. But they do wonder what sex it is.
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