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jlowe
Quoting Mick Jagger...asked the secret of the Stones longevity:
80% luck
10% talent
10% hard work
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Elmo Lewis
Worst cases of success with minimal talent:
Tiny Tim - no talent
Attacking Miley and Bieber? Low-hanging fruit, they are. There have always been teenybopper acts and there always will be. They're not for us, so I refrain from using them as punching bags. They're of no consequence to me.Quote
BamaStone
Just had to chime in also:
Hootie and the Blowfish: average bar band, at best.
Justin B, Miley, C, and everyone else like them cut from that same cloth, talentless little sh%ts laughing all the way to the bank...
Led Zeppelin were running around as the New Yardbirds and going nowhere for a couple of months before they were suddenly presented with a $200,000+ recording contract with Atlantic Records.Quote
wonderboy
Most American rock acts got big by touring and working very hard, often for years before breaking through. Even GnR made it big with their first album but had toured pretty steadily before that.
English acts, too, like Zeppelin, but England being a smaller country it was easier to capture the attention of the whole country.
Many bands have had that one hit, but can't stay on top unless they have a deep set of songs and are willing to slog it out on the road for years.
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stonehearted
Led Zeppelin were running around as the New Yardbirds and going nowhere for a couple of months before they were suddenly presented with a $200,000+ recording contract with Atlantic Records.
The reason? John Paul Jones was the bass player and strings arranger on Dusty Springfield's 1968 album on the Philips label Dusty...Definitely. Then, Dusty signed with Atlantic Records to record an album in Memphis, Tennessee. One day, she pulled aside her producer, Jerry Wexler, who was also working in an A&R capacity for Atlantic Records, and told him about this new band that her former session bass player was in. As a result, Wexler signed Led Zeppelin to a huge contract with Atlantic Records -- well over a million dollars in 2017 money -- without even having heard so much as a demo. Sometimes, it's who you know.
Mick Jagger is spot off with that "80% luck" saying -- he's just trying not to be insulting to the average fan. It's 80% marketing. The general public needs to be marketed to before they will buy anything.
As proof of this, thanks to ALO, more than 50 years later many Stones fans are still locked in a teenage "Beatles vs. Stones" mentality -- just look at one of the thread titles on page 1 of this forum.
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StonedAsia
Dexter Romweber, talent but only local success.
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jlowe
Quoting Mick Jagger...asked the secret of the Stones longevity:
80% luck
10% talent
10% hard work
When was the last year with "hard work"? 1967? 1982? 2006?
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mr_dja
In my experience, much of the difference between the two groups of players has far less to do with musical abilities than it does with non-musical factors.
Things like: dedication, commitment, tenacity, luck, work ethic, reliability, sacrifice, confidence, desire, consistency, availability, even personality are among many other attributes which will separate the average famous musician from the average guy of the same age range who isn't famous.
Peace,
Mr DJA
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Elmo Lewis
Please let me know the next time Huey Lewis' vocal sounds like Robin Zander's.
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mr_dja
In my experience, much of the difference between the two groups of players has far less to do with musical abilities than it does with non-musical factors.
Things like: dedication, commitment, tenacity, luck, work ethic, reliability, sacrifice, confidence, desire, consistency, availability, even personality are among many other attributes which will separate the average famous musician from the average guy of the same age range who isn't famous.
Peace,
Mr DJA
I tend to agree with you. I would add things like stage presence, charisma, attitude, good looking...and as wonderboy stated, timing (which is in the luck category).
I imagine it was a favor as thanks for the wonderful job he did with her album -- which sounds fantastic by the way...Quote
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stonehearted
John Paul Jones was the bass player and strings arranger on Dusty Springfield's 1968 album on the Philips label Dusty...Definitely. Then, Dusty signed with Atlantic Records to record an album in Memphis, Tennessee. One day, she pulled aside her producer, Jerry Wexler, who was also working in an A&R capacity for Atlantic Records, and told him about this new band that her former session bass player was in. As a result, Wexler signed Led Zeppelin to a huge contract with Atlantic Records -- well over a million dollars in 2017 money -- without even having heard so much as a demo.
I wonder if Dusty ever got a (very very nice) bonus for that (very very good)
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stoneheartedI imagine it was a favor as thanks for the wonderful job he did with her album -- which sounds fantastic by the way...Quote
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stonehearted
John Paul Jones was the bass player and strings arranger on Dusty Springfield's 1968 album on the Philips label Dusty...Definitely. Then, Dusty signed with Atlantic Records to record an album in Memphis, Tennessee. One day, she pulled aside her producer, Jerry Wexler, who was also working in an A&R capacity for Atlantic Records, and told him about this new band that her former session bass player was in. As a result, Wexler signed Led Zeppelin to a huge contract with Atlantic Records -- well over a million dollars in 2017 money -- without even having heard so much as a demo.
I wonder if Dusty ever got a (very very nice) bonus for that (very very good)
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Elmo Lewis
I think the looks issue affects country moreso than other musical fields - while Carrie Underwood, for example, is a looker, she's no Loretta Lynn or Tammy Wynette as far as talent goes. Not that she's bad, just speaking of raw talent.