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They wanted the PR but they didnt want to go to jail or get busted of course.
Would you honestly expect Keith (or anyone) to invite groupies over with your friends on a winter's day of hanging out, dropping acid, wandering around the beach, smoking dope, sitting by the fire, drinking wine, listening to music, relaxing, and talking...?
I'm sure Brian would....and Mr Wyman of course!
You might have a point there
Doesn't seem in character for either Keith or Mick, though.
Brian Jones was supposed to be there too but, according to Keith Richards, he and his girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg, were fighting when they left for Redlands, so they just left them behind in London).
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Also, surely it was just Keith's house at this point (as opposed to Keith and Anita's, though I guess technically it was always just Keith's).
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Maybe not the best house for a smoker who nodded off once in a while.
In all seriousness, I used to have a "shake shingle" roof (which is fricken wooden boards) on my house. I guess they were the style when my house was built (they may have actually been required by code in my area at the time) and everyone who lived here before I bought it just stayed with the style.... but I never liked it (I was kind of concerned on 4th of July) and I always wondered who in the heck ever thought it was a good idea to have a wood roof. Most likely a person who owned a lot of timberland.
I suppose it worked fine... I never had a major leak, but in the attic I could see water spots underneath where water seeped in before the wet wood expanded the wood and sealed it up. That is all fine and dandy for some tropical island with thatch huts... but in the city?
When the time came I had to buy a new roof I damned sure put on a 30 year composite roof.. .that actually looks really good. The roof guy told me there were 4 wooded roof up there when he tore the mall off.
Anyway... when I see pictures of Redlands it reminds me of my old wood roof... and I wonder what in the heck is up with thehay thatch roof?
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thatched coat?
But also all the gals would be attracted it!
Or maybe that is only when Keef is wearing it.
But still... it is cool...
As far as I'm aware it is still an offence knowingly to permit premises over which you have control to be used for using controlled drugs and always has been in the UK. The law was not changed in any way as a result of the Stone's convictions - Keith's conviction was quashed on a technicality and Mick's sentence (rightly) reduced.
What is Keith referring to when he says - "just after the bust"? This photo was from the day of the bust either before or after going to the beach.
Then he says they all turned in after an early super and then well into the night he heard a great row downstairs. I read that they were all partying, listening to records and they heard the police banging on the door (this was about 8:00 PM) and Keith opened the door (while still tripping on acid) and let them in!
And Marianne Faithfull was reportedly the only female there.
Walking back from beach on day of bust (pictures by Michael Cooper?)
"Knowingly" is the key word here. You used to be liable whether you knew or not, and no evidence was offered as to what Keith was or wasn't aware of.
Bottom photo with Nicky Kramer, David Schneidermann, ? and Keith. Who is the guy in the car next to the Acid King?
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 15, 2017 04:43
. They could seriously, and very nearly did, spend considerable time in jail, at a time when that would have done them and their careers no good at all. (Not least because it would have put an end to overseas touring.) Thy didn't want PR like that.Quote
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The bust(s) that saved the Stones in 1967. You can't buy PR like that.
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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jlowe
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Date: February 15, 2017 10:15
Yes, in the UK celebrity drug busts were very uncommon up to 1967.
In the US however, not so. Think Ray Charles,Johnny Cash, countless jazz men. Not sure that many served prison time though...medical treatment time seemed to feature.
I assume the various States had different penalties.
And of course moneyed musicians could afford the best legal support.(and still do).
In the US however, not so. Think Ray Charles,Johnny Cash, countless jazz men. Not sure that many served prison time though...medical treatment time seemed to feature.
I assume the various States had different penalties.
And of course moneyed musicians could afford the best legal support.(and still do).
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 16, 2017 02:05
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I recall reading that the raid occurred only after George left because they couldn't be arresting a Beatle.
I wonder what would have happened if George and Patti decided to stay the night? Would the 15-20 police officers just waited in the bushes all night?
This is the reported list at Redlands that day:
1. Mick Jagger – singer of the Rolling Stones
2. Keith Richards – guitar player of the Rolling Stones, owner of Redlands country house
3. Marianne Faithfull – 20 years old and girlfriend of Mick
4. Christopher Gibbs – friend of Mick Jagger
5. Nicky Kramer or Cramer– The Kings Road Flower child
6. Robert Fraser – Art dealer and gallery owner
7. Mohammed Jajaj - Moroccan servant of Robert Fraser
8. David Schneidermann - Californian whose nickname was the Acid King
9. Michael Cooper – Photographer
10. George Harrison – Beatle, left with Patti Boyd before the bust
11. Patti Boyd – Girlfriend of George Harrison
12. Tony Bramell – Friend and associate of Beatles, left before bust[/quote
It's also possible that Tony Sanchez and David Litvinoff made an appearance during the day. I think most of the peeps on the beach at West Wittering in this photo are accountable except far left and far right - any ideas?
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 16, 2017 09:22
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Aquamarine. They could seriously, and very nearly did, spend considerable time in jail, at a time when that would have done them and their careers no good at all. (Not least because it would have put an end to overseas touring.) Thy didn't want PR like that.Quote
Redhotcarpet
The bust(s) that saved the Stones in 1967. You can't buy PR like that.
They wanted the PR but they didnt want to go to jail or get busted of course.
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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jlowe
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Date: February 16, 2017 11:13
Could it be Prince (Stash) on the beach photo also?
Mate of both Keith and Brian at the time.
I think I read that Brian and Anita were due to join them....until they heard the news of the bust.
Apart from Marianne and Patti...very much a boys get together.No groupies?
Mate of both Keith and Brian at the time.
I think I read that Brian and Anita were due to join them....until they heard the news of the bust.
Apart from Marianne and Patti...very much a boys get together.No groupies?
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
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Date: February 16, 2017 11:21
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jlowe
Could it be Prince (Stash) on the beach photo also?
Mate of both Keith and Brian at the time.
I think I read that Brian and Anita were due to join them....until they heard the news of the bust.
Apart from Marianne and Patti...very much a boys get together.No groupies?
Would you honestly expect Keith (or anyone) to invite groupies over with your friends on a winter's day of hanging out, dropping acid, wandering around the beach, smoking dope, sitting by the fire, drinking wine, listening to music, relaxing, and talking...?
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 16, 2017 11:25
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jlowe
Could it be Prince (Stash) on the beach photo also?
Mate of both Keith and Brian at the time.
I think I read that Brian and Anita were due to join them....until they heard the news of the bust.
Apart from Marianne and Patti...very much a boys get together.No groupies?
Would you honestly expect Keith (or anyone) to invite groupies over with your friends on a winter's day of hanging out, dropping acid, wandering around the beach, smoking dope, sitting by the fire, drinking wine, listening to music, relaxing, and talking...?
I'm sure Brian would....and Mr Wyman of course!
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: February 16, 2017 11:28
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jlowe
Could it be Prince (Stash) on the beach photo also?
Mate of both Keith and Brian at the time.
I think I read that Brian and Anita were due to join them....until they heard the news of the bust.
Apart from Marianne and Patti...very much a boys get together.No groupies?
Would you honestly expect Keith (or anyone) to invite groupies over with your friends on a winter's day of hanging out, dropping acid, wandering around the beach, smoking dope, sitting by the fire, drinking wine, listening to music, relaxing, and talking...?
I'm sure Brian would....and Mr Wyman of course!
You might have a point there
Doesn't seem in character for either Keith or Mick, though.Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 16, 2017 14:27
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Could it be Prince (Stash) on the beach photo also?
Mate of both Keith and Brian at the time.
I think I read that Brian and Anita were due to join them....until they heard the news of the bust.
Apart from Marianne and Patti...very much a boys get together.No groupies?
Would you honestly expect Keith (or anyone) to invite groupies over with your friends on a winter's day of hanging out, dropping acid, wandering around the beach, smoking dope, sitting by the fire, drinking wine, listening to music, relaxing, and talking...?
I'm sure Brian would....and Mr Wyman of course!
You might have a point there
Brian Jones was supposed to be there too but, according to Keith Richards, he and his girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg, were fighting when they left for Redlands, so they just left them behind in London).
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
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Date: February 16, 2017 23:32
Left to right: Nicky Kramer, (in car) David Schneidermann, ? and Keith Richards. Redlands lane, 12 Feb 1967. Any ideas as to the man in the Acid King's car?
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: February 17, 2017 00:04
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 17, 2017 00:20
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Date: February 17, 2017 00:47
Great photos - I am surprised how many of the day of the raid turn up. Strangely - none from inside????
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: February 17, 2017 11:58
'Because of the women being present.'
I thought Marianne was the sole female when the raid took place?
I thought Marianne was the sole female when the raid took place?
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Aquamarine
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:19
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jlowe
'Because of the women being present.'
I thought Marianne was the sole female when the raid took place?
Also, surely it was just Keith's house at this point (as opposed to Keith and Anita's, though I guess technically it was always just Keith's).
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
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Rockman
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:28
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:31
Rockman, that's fascinating. I do love Keith. Talk about having "class." Love him.
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
HankM
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:40
I have 2 questions-
1) Did they ever put a proper roof on Redlands...
or is still covered with hay?
and
2) How did this style of coat never take off in fashion popularity?
it is awesome!
I do own those style of sunglasses though... they are awesome too.
1) Did they ever put a proper roof on Redlands...
or is still covered with hay?and
2) How did this style of coat never take off in fashion popularity?
it is awesome!I do own those style of sunglasses though... they are awesome too.
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
wonderboy
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:49
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HankM
I have 2 questions-
1) Did they ever put a proper roof on Redlands...
Maybe not the best house for a smoker who nodded off once in a while.
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
HankM
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:51
HAY!Quote
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HankM
I have 2 questions-
1) Did they ever put a proper roof on Redlands...
Maybe not the best house for a smoker who nodded off once in a while.
In all seriousness, I used to have a "shake shingle" roof (which is fricken wooden boards) on my house. I guess they were the style when my house was built (they may have actually been required by code in my area at the time) and everyone who lived here before I bought it just stayed with the style.... but I never liked it (I was kind of concerned on 4th of July) and I always wondered who in the heck ever thought it was a good idea to have a wood roof. Most likely a person who owned a lot of timberland.
I suppose it worked fine... I never had a major leak, but in the attic I could see water spots underneath where water seeped in before the wet wood expanded the wood and sealed it up. That is all fine and dandy for some tropical island with thatch huts... but in the city?
When the time came I had to buy a new roof I damned sure put on a 30 year composite roof.. .that actually looks really good. The roof guy told me there were 4 wooded roof up there when he tore the mall off.
Anyway... when I see pictures of Redlands it reminds me of my old wood roof... and I wonder what in the heck is up with the
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: February 18, 2017 05:57
thatched ....
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
HankM
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Date: February 18, 2017 06:28
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thatched ....
thatched coat?
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: February 18, 2017 06:36
...thatched roof made from straw ...
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: February 18, 2017 06:55
How did this style of coat never take off in fashion popularity?
eeeeerrrr but but imagine the grass-seeds it would attract ....
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eeeeerrrr but but imagine the grass-seeds it would attract ....
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Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
HankM
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Date: February 18, 2017 07:12
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Rockman
How did this style of coat never take off in fashion popularity?
eeeeerrrr but but imagine the grass-seeds it would attract ....
But also all the gals would be attracted it!
Or maybe that is only when Keef is wearing it.
But still... it is cool...
Re: 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
Lady Jayne
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Date: February 18, 2017 22:43
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wonderboy
I have conflicting opinions about this episode.
On the one hand, the Stones (and Brian and Keith, in particular) were set up and harassed by the police.
On the other hand, they were flagrantly breaking the laws at the time.
Not so flagrant, since they were in Keith's own home, and the law about allowing your home to be used etc. etc. was subsequently changed, largely as a result of this incident. As it should have been.
I still have all the press clippings from the time, and remember the drama of them going to jail, the fear that it would be for a long time, the fellow musicians like the Who rallying to show support, the relief when they were released . . It all seemed like a bizarre dream.
As far as I'm aware it is still an offence knowingly to permit premises over which you have control to be used for using controlled drugs and always has been in the UK. The law was not changed in any way as a result of the Stone's convictions - Keith's conviction was quashed on a technicality and Mick's sentence (rightly) reduced.
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: February 18, 2017 23:04
What actually was 'the technicality'?
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
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Date: February 19, 2017 00:07
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Rockman
What is Keith referring to when he says - "just after the bust"? This photo was from the day of the bust either before or after going to the beach.
Then he says they all turned in after an early super and then well into the night he heard a great row downstairs. I read that they were all partying, listening to records and they heard the police banging on the door (this was about 8:00 PM) and Keith opened the door (while still tripping on acid) and let them in!
And Marianne Faithfull was reportedly the only female there.
Walking back from beach on day of bust (pictures by Michael Cooper?)
Re: 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
Aquamarine
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Date: February 19, 2017 00:35
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Lady JayneQuote
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wonderboy
I have conflicting opinions about this episode.
On the one hand, the Stones (and Brian and Keith, in particular) were set up and harassed by the police.
On the other hand, they were flagrantly breaking the laws at the time.
Not so flagrant, since they were in Keith's own home, and the law about allowing your home to be used etc. etc. was subsequently changed, largely as a result of this incident. As it should have been.
I still have all the press clippings from the time, and remember the drama of them going to jail, the fear that it would be for a long time, the fellow musicians like the Who rallying to show support, the relief when they were released . . It all seemed like a bizarre dream.
As far as I'm aware it is still an offence knowingly to permit premises over which you have control to be used for using controlled drugs and always has been in the UK. The law was not changed in any way as a result of the Stone's convictions - Keith's conviction was quashed on a technicality and Mick's sentence (rightly) reduced.
"Knowingly" is the key word here. You used to be liable whether you knew or not, and no evidence was offered as to what Keith was or wasn't aware of.
Re: The Redlands bust - 50 Years Ago Today
Posted by:
sizey
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Date: February 19, 2017 04:14
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2000 LYFH
Bottom photo with Nicky Kramer, David Schneidermann, ? and Keith. Who is the guy in the car next to the Acid King?
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