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doitywoik
I don't of course know what their financial arrangements are but since Charlie didn't write songs he (or now, rather his heirs) won't get any royalties from songwriting anyway - not sure now, maybe there are a few songs credited to all members of the Stones. At any rate, if he has no writer's credits with the new songs there will be no respective royalties. If Charlie as a core member of the group got a percentage from sales I don't know although I would guess so, he was not just a paid session hand, after all.
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doitywoik
I don't of course know what their financial arrangements are but since Charlie didn't write songs he (or now, rather his heirs) won't get any royalties from songwriting anyway - not sure now, maybe there are a few songs credited to all members of the Stones. At any rate, if he has no writer's credits with the new songs there will be no respective royalties. If Charlie as a core member of the group got a percentage from sales I don't know although I would guess so, he was not just a paid session hand, after all. Similar questions arise w.r.t. Brian, Bill and Mick Taylor. I just recall from some interview that Ronnie was always very keen on touring because that's where his money came from. I also recall an interview (about compiling 40 Licks or so) where he said he tried to persuade Mick to also put one MJ/KR/RW song on disc 2. His reasons may not have been merely artistic ones.
But I guess there is a bunch of IORRians who know more about this.
Let's not forget that we do know from Keith that some new tracks featuring Charlie are likely to be released but in which way and on what album (work in progess or compilation bonus) and for which reason is pure speculation at this point.
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I think that if they relegate any new Charlie tunes to the backside of yet another greatest hits package, then they are cheapening the legacy of Charlie himself, and for me, the band would stoop to a new low in doing so. If they don't have enough new material to put out a proper new album of Charlie tracks, then perhaps they should release an EP instead. For God's sake, let's not tack the songs onto a GH package. Whoever drummed up that idea needs to be fired immediately! I still hold out hope that the new album will be mostly Charlie, with Steve relegated to playing on the newly-penned B-Side songs only!!! ><
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... If they don't have enough new material to put out a proper new album of Charlie tracks, then perhaps they should release an EP instead. ...
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and if that's the only way they'll ever release these track i'd rather hear charlie's last songs with them this way then never at all (although your idea of an ep would of course be way lass tacky and more respectful of his legacy and significants)
but i also want one more good quality full album of new music from mick, keith, and ronnie and if it has to be steve on drums so bet it i'm ok with that
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... If they don't have enough new material to put out a proper new album of Charlie tracks, then perhaps they should release an EP instead. ...
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and if that's the only way they'll ever release these track i'd rather hear charlie's last songs with them this way then never at all (although your idea of an ep would of course be way lass tacky and more respectful of his legacy and significants)
but i also want one more good quality full album of new music from mick, keith, and ronnie and if it has to be steve on drums so bet it i'm ok with that
Yeah, certainly! Why not add a Charlie EP as a "bonus" disc to the new album right away? To me at least that would make more sense than grafting the Charlie tracks as an appendix onto yet another otherwise unnecessary GH compilation.
But maybe that's the point: People like us are much more likely to buy such a compilation if it comes with the last Charlie tracks than if it didn't.
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
The album has cuts with Charlie and Steve. With UMG, however, one never knows. It’s close to being finished up.
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
The album has cuts with Charlie and Steve. With UMG, however, one never knows. It’s close to being finished up.
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GasLightStreet
Any of their hits comps could be, or are, considered anthologies. Of course, an anthology can be whatever it is determined to be as well. TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE is called such a thing.
In the eyes of UME/UMG/whatever, is there an actual need for such a thing? In other words, what could be worthy of such a release? And how many releases would it be?
If it's just going to be another MADE IN THE SHADE - REWIND - JUMP BACK - HONK type of release, ha ha ha ha ha, oh yeah, we need that.
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
The album has cuts with Charlie and Steve. With UMG, however, one never knows. It’s close to being finished up.
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doitywoik
Apart from documentation purposes, would live tracks from 2019-2022 sound so much different from the live tracks on Honk Deluxe? I don't think so. Which raises the question if new live tracks weren't dispensable. They would only serve to document Charlie's last and Steve's first live appearances.
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
The album has cuts with Charlie and Steve. With UMG, however, one never knows. It’s close to being finished up.
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doitywoik
Is there any other source in addition to Rocky Dijon's to back up the suspicion that there might be yet another compilation/anthology in addition to the new album that (also?) might contain tracks with Charlie?
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
The album has cuts with Charlie and Steve. With UMG, however, one never knows. It’s close to being finished up.
Well that's good news, if only because it puts that silly compilation+charlie's odds and sods idea in the dumpster where it belongs!
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Rocky Dijon
There are no issues with Charlie's estate. He didn't quit the band. As for whether there is an anthology and a studio album, let's wait to see what those plugged in closer (Soldatti, mpj, and those close to Don Was) have to say. Their word will be far more reliable.
The album has cuts with Charlie and Steve. With UMG, however, one never knows. It’s close to being finished up.
Well that's good news, if only because it puts that silly compilation+charlie's odds and sods idea in the dumpster where it belongs!
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Rocky Dijon
Yes, can you imagine? It would be like tacking High Wire and Sex Drive on the end of Flashpoint or mixing up Don't Stop, Keys to Your Love, Losing My Touch, and Stealing My Heart on the second half of 40 Licks or tossing Doom and Gloom and One More Shot randomly on the second half of Grrr. I can't imagine it happening, as the Furry One declared, it's a terrible rumor.
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maumau
yep we've heard that one sometimes followed by a "lot of WRITING new stuff lately"
just DO NOT put Charlie's last contribution in a GRRR like cauldron, that would be too much
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Rocky Dijon
Yes, can you imagine? It would be like tacking High Wire and Sex Drive on the end of Flashpoint or mixing up Don't Stop, Keys to Your Love, Losing My Touch, and Stealing My Heart on the second half of 40 Licks or tossing Doom and Gloom and One More Shot randomly on the second half of Grrr. I can't imagine it happening, as the Furry One declared, it's a terrible rumor.