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Ian Billen
"The Stones sudden want to get it done ..."
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HMS
Mick is right about mass audiences and warhorses.
It´s the only way to fill arenas & stadiums.
And the usual crowd at the concerts does not care for new songs/albums, they yawn every time a new song is performed.
So what is a new album good for, Mick probably is asking himself.
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Mick is right about mass audiences and warhorses.
It´s the only way to fill arenas & stadiums.
And the usual crowd at the concerts does not care for new songs/albums, they yawn every time a new song is performed.
So what is a new album good for, Mick probably is asking himself.
the answer is that at 76 either you put out music for yourself, because you love to do that or you dont. because it certainly won't please the big crowd.
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Ian Billen
"The Stones sudden want to get it done ..."
And you're basing this on an anonymous quote by a "spokesperson" from an article that doesn't exist?
Not saying it's false, but as bye bye johnny pointed out, none of this appears in the Daily Star.
A spokesperson for the band told the Daily Star newspaper: "The album is moving ahead but no release date as yet.
"Mick is keen to make up for lost time. This album has been spoken about for a long time, so now they are keen to get it out as soon as possible."
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Ian Billen
"The Stones sudden want to get it done ..."
And you're basing this on an anonymous quote by a "spokesperson" from an article that doesn't exist?
Not saying it's false, but as bye bye johnny pointed out, none of this appears in the Daily Star.
A spokesperson for the band told the Daily Star newspaper: "The album is moving ahead but no release date as yet.
"Mick is keen to make up for lost time. This album has been spoken about for a long time, so now they are keen to get it out as soon as possible."
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I saw this info on msn ... not the Daily Star? As well .. they are in The Studio .. At least Keith .. Ronnie are ... and possibly Mick. Strange / inconvenient time for overdubs .. innit?
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Ian Billen
"The Stones sudden want to get it done ..."
And you're basing this on an anonymous quote by a "spokesperson" from an article that doesn't exist?
Not saying it's false, but as bye bye johnny pointed out, none of this appears in the Daily Star.
A spokesperson for the band told the Daily Star newspaper: "The album is moving ahead but no release date as yet.
"Mick is keen to make up for lost time. This album has been spoken about for a long time, so now they are keen to get it out as soon as possible."
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I saw this info on msn ... not the Daily Star? As well .. they are in The Studio .. At least Keith .. Ronnie are ... and possibly Mick. Strange / inconvenient time for overdubs .. innit?
Yes the original artcile was on msn, but they were quoting stuff from a supposed article in the Daily Star that is nowhere to be found.
And yes, maybe seems a strange and inconvenient time for overdubs, but if the above quote from a spokesperson is indeed true, they are "keen to make up for lost time".
Rehearsals are starting soon, so maybe they can work out some of the kinks of the supposed new material while they're at it.
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IanBillen
they are in The Studio .. At least Keith .. Ronnie are ... and possibly Mick. Strange / inconvenient time for overdubs .. innit?
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IanBillen
they are in The Studio .. At least Keith .. Ronnie are ... and possibly Mick. Strange / inconvenient time for overdubs .. innit?
Per The Times interview with Don Was published last week, Keith was recording overdubs in NYC earlier this month.
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IanBillen
Yes I saw this article here when it was published. I was aware of the overdubs (this is what I was talking about). My comment was / is meant 'literally'. It is a very inconvenient time. They don't do overdubs for an album a month before a tour .. (especially for an album that isn't going to be released during the tour). This has never been the process for The Rolling Stones in their history. Never happened before in their 50 plus years. Why at 75/76 years old? Something pushed / influenced them is my strong feeling. I think it was UMG. And once again .. in Jagger's words .. "can't blame em'.
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IanBillen
Yes I saw this article here when it was published. I was aware of the overdubs (this is what I was talking about). My comment was / is meant 'literally'. It is a very inconvenient time. They don't do overdubs for an album a month before a tour .. (especially for an album that isn't going to be released during the tour). This has never been the process for The Rolling Stones in their history. Never happened before in their 50 plus years. Why at 75/76 years old? Something pushed / influenced them is my strong feeling. I think it was UMG. And once again .. in Jagger's words .. "can't blame em'.
Seems more likely that the push came as a result of Mick's health issue than outside pressure to me. As you say, it's "never happened before".. "75/76 years old" etc. If UMG applied the pressure, why now.. why not prior to original tour start date or before? I think the pressure comes from The Glimmers.
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Ian Billen
They don't do overdubs for an album a month before a tour .. (especially for an album that isn't going to be released during the tour). This has never been the process for The Rolling Stones in their history. Never happened before in their 50 plus years. Why at 75/76 years old?
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HMS
I think their creative power is long gone. They have had a hard times to assemble SW, VL BTB ABB. So many fillers! They are good for an occasional flash like Doom And Gloom but do not have enough creativity to put out an album that´s better than three or four great songs surrounded by lots of fillers. Plus, Keith & Mick obviously can´t agree about the musical direction. Keith does not want to be a sideman on a project that is basically a Jagger-thing, on the other hand he probably has no ideas of his own to offer. )
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SomeGuy
Not for nothing three solo artists were mentioned in this discussion on creativity. Perhaps one essential difference between the Stones and them is that a band has to agree on things, but also, I was thinking, the Stones, partly because they are a band, are to some degree expected to live up to some kind of concept as it were: that, of the mega stars ("the greatest rock n roll band in the world") that always sell well, high on the charts, popular and what have you not. Now, if the internal cohesion is gone, and the band is no longer 'big' (at least recordsaleswise), somehow I can understand that none of the members believe in prolonging the 'legend' that is the Stones, other than by touring and playing in big stadiums and arenas.
Just my tentative thoughts, what do you think?
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HMS
Van Morrison must have released four or five new albums in the last three years... same for Neil Young... The older of age the more albums they produce (very good albums I´d like to say and they still go on tour). Look at the Stone´s creative output since 2000. Getting them together might be one problem (Mick & Keith can´t get along with each other, that´s just a fact), but the main thing imo is the creativity lost. This loss of creativity and not sharing a musical vision anymore is evident ever since they released Steel Wheels. Later on they learned that it is not even necessary to have a new album out to go on tour, probably to their own surprise they realised that they can sell out stadiums without having any new songs. Since their creative wells ran dry a long time ago it would have been foolish to struggle with the production of new albums, when they can make a million each playing one single concert.
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SomeGuy
Not for nothing three solo artists were mentioned in this discussion on creativity. Perhaps one essential difference between the Stones and them is that a band has to agree on things, but also, I was thinking, the Stones, partly because they are a band, are to some degree expected to live up to some kind of concept as it were: that, of the mega stars ("the greatest rock n roll band in the world") that always sell well, high on the charts, popular and what have you not. Now, if the internal cohesion is gone, and the band is no longer 'big' (at least recordsaleswise), somehow I can understand that none of the members believe in prolonging the 'legend' that is the Stones, other than by touring and playing in big stadiums and arenas.
Just my tentative thoughts, what do you think?
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Ian Billen
They don't do overdubs for an album a month before a tour .. (especially for an album that isn't going to be released during the tour). This has never been the process for The Rolling Stones in their history. Never happened before in their 50 plus years. Why at 75/76 years old?
Something else to consider Ian regarding why they might be doing overdubs now; due to the postponement they had an extra couple of months while Mick recovered.
Now that Mick has fully recovered, it resulted in some some extra time on their hands, so why not make the most of it and get some work done in the studio!
And it's not like they're all hunkered down in a studio for days on end - Keith and Ronnie (separately) may have spent a day or two at most doing some overdubs.
As for Mick? Don't think it's been mentioned anywhere that he's been in a studio. His latest tweet stated "working on new music", but looks like that was done at his home.
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Hairball
Seems you missed the point Ian which is quite simple.
With an extra month they had some extra time to work in the studio.
With Mick's full recovery and all worries aside from band members, family, etc., they figured might as well put in a couple of days in the studio.
As stated earlier, it's extremely doubtful that UMG would put heavy pressure on them so soon after Mick's recovery and knowing they're about to go on tour.
I think you're relying too much on a quote from an unknown spokesperson that came from an article in the Daily Mail that is nowhere to be found.
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Lorenz
So hard to get back into this bloated thread after a few weeks. Are there any substantial news?
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Lorenz
So hard to get back into this bloated thread after a few weeks. Are there any substantial news?
Keith and Ronnie have been working, in NYC and London.