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Not producing an album of originals in 12,13,14 years is bad enough .. but when they have a contract for one .. they tell us one is coming .. yet they are doing everything BUT working on it is where the frustration actually came from ... from me and some others ... yeeesh hehe
- Virgin's record contract from November 1991 asked for 3 albums with no deadline on it and re-issue of the post 1971 stuff. The contract was for $45 million.
- First new album was Voodoo Lounge, almost 3 years after the signed contract. Second one was B2B and the third one ABB, 14 years after the original contract. It took them 14 years to close that contract, and that was 15 years ago when albums were still important and the band was still active.
Now we have a modest $2 million contract for one album signed on 2017 (oh the long lost days of the $28 or $45 million contracts from the 80's or 90's...) and everyone at Universal knows that the Stones are semi-retired, so if it takes them 3, 4 or 5 years to deliver that album it wont surprise anyone except some fans thinking that we are still on an era when albums are still important, let alone for an artist with all his members on their mid-70's.
An album is an option, and not the main one by anyone, so we're now on contracts for $2-3 million for each album when 20-30 years ago that contract was for $7-10 million for each album for a top act, no act is rushed to release an album anymore, this decade best selling artist, Adele, released 2 albums in almost 11 years.
Back on the Stones, they want this album to be a great one, they don't want another ABB with a bunch of Stones by numbers rockers, the want a B2B type album again, a mix of classic and modern, something fresh, and it will take all the time that it needs, Mick said it 2 years ago: "We'll keep working on it until we do it right".
All the options are on the table: A christmas release, ticket bundle during another leg of a new tour on 2020, a preview EP with 3-4 songs on 2019 and then the full album on 2020, etc.
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mg72
13 & 14 years are two really common breaks of original material as are 15 and 16.
James Taylor: 2002. No original material again until 2015.
Sting: 2003. No non concept original material again until 2016.
Alabama: 2001 no original material again until 2015.
Don Henley: studio album in 2000. Not again until 2015.
The Who: 2006 not again until 2019. One single was done for the 50th anniversary.
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Not producing an album of originals in 12,13,14 years is bad enough .. but when they have a contract for one .. they tell us one is coming .. yet they are doing everything BUT working on it is where the frustration actually came from ... from me and some others ... yeeesh hehe
- Virgin's record contract from November 1991 asked for 3 albums with no deadline on it and re-issue of the post 1971 stuff. The contract was for $45 million.
- First new album was Voodoo Lounge, almost 3 years after the signed contract. Second one was B2B and the third one ABB, 14 years after the original contract. It took them 14 years to close that contract, and that was 15 years ago when albums were still important and the band was still active.
Now we have a modest $2 million contract for one album signed on 2017 (oh the long lost days of the $28 or $45 million contracts from the 80's or 90's...) and everyone at Universal knows that the Stones are semi-retired, so if it takes them 3, 4 or 5 years to deliver that album it wont surprise anyone except some fans thinking that we are still on an era when albums are still important, let alone for an artist with all his members on their mid-70's.
An album is an option, and not the main one by anyone, so we're now on contracts for $2-3 million for each album when 20-30 years ago that contract was for $7-10 million for each album for a top act, no act is rushed to release an album anymore, this decade best selling artist, Adele, released 2 albums in almost 11 years.
Back on the Stones, they want this album to be a great one, they don't want another ABB with a bunch of Stones by numbers rockers, the want a B2B type album again, a mix of classic and modern, something fresh, and it will take all the time that it needs, Mick said it 2 years ago: "We'll keep working on it until we do it right".
All the options are on the table: A christmas release, ticket bundle during another leg of a new tour on 2020, a preview EP with 3-4 songs on 2019 and then the full album on 2020, etc.
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mg72
2019 is shaping up for icons releasing new music.
ACDC
Gordon Lightfoot: First since 2004.
Possible Guns N Roses: First since 2008.
Hootie and the Blowfish
The Rolling Stones.
The Who: first since 2006.
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Rip This
Rocky’s post from the other day is the big news....how sad that these guys have been holding grudges/agendas against each other for nearly 20 years...I guess the good news is that they are working through the problems and maybe we’ll get something better than the last few efforts...great insight. Thanks for posting that Rocky!
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tomcasagranda
On the other hand, Keith and Steve Jordan created Crosseyed Heart, but I'm mindful that some of that album may have been tracks languishing in the archive, and not fresh product. I wonder when it was really recorded ?
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Rocky Dijon
... However they can collaborate fruitfully, they should.
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runrudolph
darryll is not a Stone
Jeroen
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chatoyancy
Yes the Stones are still in L.A. recording.
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chatoyancy
Yes the Stones are still in L.A. recording.
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runrudolph
darryll is not a Stone
Jeroen
He is their bassist since 25 years back. If the band is rehearsing/recording he should be there.
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TeddyB1018
Rocky's info on the new stuff sounds good to me. I was going to type up the backstory of Crosseyed Heart but no need when Mr. Dijon is around.
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runrudolph
darryll is not a Stone
Jeroen
He is their bassist since 25 years back. If the band is rehearsing/recording he should be there.
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chatoyancy
Keith plays bass uncredited sometimes.
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TeddyB1018
Rocky's info on the new stuff sounds good to me. I was going to type up the backstory of Crosseyed Heart but no need when Mr. Dijon is around.
Hi Teddy! What about "One More Shot" solo version? Imo it could have been the first single of CH and i feel it's far superior to Stones version!!
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Lorenz
We should somehow make a weekly summary from Rocky/Teddy/Soldatti with the actual info.[*] Recording in LA as of February 9th
[*] A lot of older Mick/Matt Clifford Material as source material
[*] Transformation from Mick/Matt --> Stones DNA
[*] Effort to make the album more than a by-the-numbers later day Stones album
[*] Release date or release format not yet defined and not considered important due to decreased relevance of album releases in general and Stones releases specifically