The Rolling stones were influenced by the music they listened. The riff of Under my thumb comes from It's same old song of the Four Tops, the melody of Paint it black and the "paint paint it" comes from two songs of the Supremes "My world is empty without you" and "Whezre did our love go", Surprise surprise comes from Let's stomp by Lee Curtis and the All stars, Jumpin' Jack Flash comes from Before it's too late of Jackie Day, It's only rock'n'rool comes from Blues Power (live 73 Clapton with Ron Wood), "I'm free" comes from The Jerk by Don Julian, and... Satisfaction ?
We can think that it an accelerate rhythm of the horns on Nowhere to run by Martha and the Vandellas. But the two songs seem to be very different. Neverthelss, The Rolling stones listend The Coasters, they released two versions of "Poison Ivy" aborted projet of 45's. They wanted to release another Lieber-Stolller song Love potion number 9, and they didn't thought at the original version by the Clovers, they didn't thought at the version of the Searchers. I'm sure that they were impressed by the version of the Coasters. The first lines sound like a stone song of 65 ! Very funny!

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The outro is very similar to iorr.

Everyone is influenced by the music they listen to.

As a songwriter, and especially a young guy on top of the world, living on the edge of pop life, in midst of happenings all around, in the crazy 60's, and a major player himself - I think it is only natural that the rhythms and sounds of the time become part of your very DNA.
You have guys playing the same clubs, knowing the same girls, listening to the same records, discovering the same old/new acts, on jet aeroplanes, smoking the same herb - similar riffs and chnats and choruses are going to come about and converge.
But to say: "this song started exactly from this line in that song" to songwriters J/R I think is dead wrong.

Now I know hacks, who approach music, pop music from a whole other angle; as in "Those Rollin Stones boys had a huge hit with that Satisfaction thing; lets get some horns to do something like that da da da"; where they are ruthless; all about making a fast buck. I just don't believe Stones fall into that category.

Satisfaction in Philadelphia 10/10/05 was influenced by It's Only Rock'n Roll ;-)

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As a songwriter, and especially a young guy on top of the world, living on the edge of pop life, in midst of happenings all around, in the crazy 60's, and a major player himself - I think it is only natural that the rhythms and sounds of the time become part of your very DNA.
You have guys playing the same clubs, knowing the same girls, listening to the same records, discovering the same old/new acts, on jet aeroplanes, smoking the same herb - similar riffs and chnats and choruses are going to come about and converge.
But to say: "this song started exactly from this line in that song" to songwriters J/R I think is dead wrong.

Now I know hacks, who approach music, pop music from a whole other angle; as in "Those Rollin Stones boys had a huge hit with that Satisfaction thing; lets get some horns to do something like that da da da"; where they are ruthless; all about making a fast buck. I just don't believe Stones fall into that category.

Well said. Many don't see the difference between being inspired by something and downright theft.

Here's a fabulous piece of writing on the origins of (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction.

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The Rolling Stones' "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction"
A History

BY MICHAEL E. ROSS 30 July 2015

DECONSTRUCTING THE IMPACT OF THE ROLLING STONES' “(I CAN’T GET NO) SATISFACTION” AND REMEMBERING HOW THE SONG HAS FIRED OUR IMAGINATIONS FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
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THE ROLLING STONES
OUT OF OUR HEADS
(LONDON)
US: 30 JUL 1965



It was released in the United States 21 years to the day after D-Day, 6 June 1944 — by design or by accident—something that resisted the still-rising militarist mindset from WWII to the era of the Vietnam War.

It’s three minutes and 43 seconds long. It seems to emerge from the basement of our subconscious, leaning tight and sinewy in our minds, a vaguely metallic template of thematic economy, an angular expression of everyday unease.

Its everyman protagonist is a victim of “useless information”, somebody trying against all odds to find comfort and peace of mind; resisting the brutal obligations of everyday life; pushing back against television and radio, the media, the great dissemblers and the masters of war; and lamenting a failure to connect with, for the heterosexually inclined, the opposite sex. It was a righteous pushback against the two-minutes-and-change diktat of song duration in the AM-radio-driven era of the early and mid-‘60s it was born into.

The full title of the song — “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” — is itself a contradiction, what etymologists call a negative concord or, put more colloquially, a double negative. This titular no-but-yes embodies, possibly by accident, the contradictions inherent in our own lives, the tension between what we want and what we say we can’t get, between what we get and what we say we don’t want. The song ushered in the era of rock music as the truly democratic experience it was always purported to be. It’s feeling was already ubiquitous—its sound would soon be.

Anybody could (and can) play the riff in nothing flat. No capos are necessary, no exotic fingering needed, no translation by a guitar teacher required. Tablature doesn’t really even do it justice. The riff’s basic structure couldn’t be simpler. A three-note ostinato. Standard guitar tuning. Second fret, fifth string. Fourth fret, fifth string. Open fourth string. Then it’s back to fourth fret, fifth string, and then back to second fret, fifth string. Rinse. Repeat. That’s it. Three notes on two strings, in three positions on the fretboard. That’s the basis for the guitar riff of our time, the heart of what Rolling Stone judged the second-greatest rock song of all time, the foundation for what BMI called the 91st-most performed song of the 20th century.

It’s three minutes and 43 seconds long, and it embodies the disquiet and unease of modern life, an unease that persists to this day. Acid, muscular, pugnacious, it’s a clarion expression of the collective unconscious, the drift of life in the nuclear age, that sense that everything could come crashing down at any given moment, that feeling at the heart of the frowns we wear, the scowls we can’t seem to shake. But the song’s no funeral dirge, no mopey, woe-is-me, minor-chord lamentation. Its rhythm, its dogged persistence, its relentless beat is at the heart of the uplift in the human experience, Dylan Thomas’ force driving the green fuse through that flower, the human drive perfectly described by Samuel Beckett: “I can’t go on, I’ll go on.”

It’s all there: the tension, the warring impulses of surrender and determination, capitulation and resolve, despair and hope — the same polar forces that power our lives today. Indeed, “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” changed everything in music because it revealed everything that was going on at the time. And it’s no less pertinent today than it was on 6 June 1965 — 50 years ago.

The Year That Exploded

Of course, the year 1965 was already destined to become a memorable one for music, culture, and society. Bob Dylan, early philosophical soulmate of the Stones, had already tapped into the collective unconscious with “The Times They Are a-Changin’”, the year before, and he’d release “Like a Rolling Stone” just around the time “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction” took the world by storm. In July, folk-music purists lost their minds when Dylan went electric at the Newport Folk Festival. Nothing was as it was. “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” is a distilled example of how society gave rise to a song, and how the song gave voice to a world-view that resonates with us to this day.

On 4 January 1965, President Lyndon Johnson made his second State of the Union address, and announced his initiatives for creating a “Great Society”. It was war, however, that was destined to be the order of the year. In April, the first march sponsored by Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) took place in Washington, attracting as much as 25,000 protesters against the Vietnam War. Protesters returned to Washington in June for an anti-war “teach-in”, a five-hour event in which thousands of leaflets were distributed in and around the Pentagon.

The battle between anti-war activists and the US government was accelerated in July, when President Johnson ordered an increase in the number of US forces in Vietnam, from 75,000 men to 125,000. Making matters worse, he ordered the number of American eligible men drafted every month to be doubled to more than 35,000. The number of Americans serving in Vietnam climbed to about 400,000.

The Book of a Genesis: The Origin Story

Short of a session specifically convened for the purpose of writing a song, it’s a fool’s errand trying to pinpoint the precise moment of inspiration, synaptic firing and availability of an instrument that leads to a song entering this world. A song is realization of a process as much as an event, its birth subject to a number of midwives.

At least two locations are or may be central to the “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction”‘s birth: There’s Keith Richards’ flat on Carlton Hill, in the posh St. John’s Wood section of London. That’s where Richards lived for a time, at least briefly without a relationship (prior to that, he’d been living there with Linda Keith). Numerous reports (including Richards’ own account) have it that Richards woke up in that London flat early one morning, hounded into consciousness by the riff that would come to move the world.

Bloomberg News reported in October 2010: “The Rolling Stones guitarist was temporarily without a girlfriend and home alone in St. John’s Wood, London, in 1965. Moaning about his lack of a companion, he picked out the riff on an acoustic guitar and dozed off, leaving his cassette recorder running.”

That’s consistent with the account of Richards’ own writing. From Richards’ 2010 autobiography, Life: “I wrote ‘Satisfaction’ in my sleep. I had no idea I’d written it, it’s only thank God for the little Philips cassette player. The miracle being that I looked at the cassette player that morning and I knew I’d put a brand-new tape in the previous night, and I saw it was at the end. Then I pushed rewind and there was ‘Satisfaction.’”

In Keith Richards: Satisfaction, Christopher Sandford, claims that all began in the Jack Tar Hotel in Clearwater, Florida: “Keith went up alone to room 3 (there were only seventeen in the place), watched The Tonight Show and nodded off. Towards dawn he woke up with a riff ... ringing in his head. Keith, who was in the habit of keeping a tape recorder by his bed to capture such moments, grabbed his new Gibson Firebird, taped the lick, then fell asleep again.”

You might think the specificity of Sandford’s reporting — the number of the hotel room, what Keith was watching on TV, the particular guitar he used — would give him the edge, but with a contrary assessment straight from the horse’s mouth, you’ve gotta go with Keith.

Other dates and facts related to the song’s creation are just as tantalizingly imprecise. Some reports have Stones frontman Mick Jagger writing most of the lyrics in his Jack Tar hotel room. Others say he was poolside at the hotel. Some reports say that happened on 6 May, others claim it was May 7, if we’re going to quibble about it. Richards has been thought to have been the one to come up with the title. “That was just a working title,” he said in an oft-quoted passage. “It could just as well have been ‘Auntie Millie’s Caught Her Left Tit in the Mangle.’”

Well, maybe. The title has a legitimate provenance with Chuck Berry, whose song “30 Days”, recorded in 1955, contains this lyric:

If I don’t get no satisfaction from the judge
I’m gonna take it to the FBI and voice my grudge
But the second and third points of genesis for this song was a studio in Chicago. “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” was first recorded in an acoustic version on 10 May, at the legendary Chess Studios, after a Stones concert the day before. Bill Wyman, the former Stones bass player and informal band historian, has said the iconic version was recorded two days after the Chess session, on 12 May at RCA Studios in Hollywood. That was when Richards connected his guitar to a Vox AC30 amplifier and a Gibson Maestro fuzz-tone effects box and recorded The Posterity Lick.

He didn’t think the song was ready for prime-time. “I thought of it as an album filler,” Richards said, as quoted in the book Mick: The Wild Life and Mad Genius of Jagger by Christopher Andersen. “I never thought it was anything like commercial enough to be a single.” The rest of the song – the lyrics that have endured as long as the music — were perhaps largely Jagger’s ironically world-weary invention, and it’s here that “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” succeeds beyond the purely visceral music.

From the viewpoint of the song’s unnamed protagonist, we’re witness to the pressures and challenges of life during the tumultuous ‘60s, and it rings true for the uneasy and violent times we live in today. It’s a riff everyone can relate to.

The basic riff is related to Martha and the Vandellas "Dancing In The Street". At least, Keith once stated that.

Seems like the kind of essay we'd write when we were assigned to submit a minimum number of words.

Sorry Kindablue I'm not a natural english speaker.
I like the Rolling Stones, The Who, Chuck Berry, but sorry they are not sacred for me and I'm very glad to discover all the origins of their songs.
I can show the origins of many songs of Chuck Berry or Bo Diddley.
I'm astonished when I see that nobody compares Magic bus and Catfish blues. I don't understand what happens but nevermind the pleasure to find something is for me.
Of course, I don't want judgement for plagiarism. I think these kind of judgement is business for commercials. Keith take the first lines of the version of Love potion number 9 by the Coasters and he makes something very different.
When he listens "Before it's too late" of Jackie Day, he creates with Mick Jagger a wonderful rock. He modifies the riff from soul to rock, he brings the maraccas because he is very fond of Diddley songs. He explores a new strcutres the horns, the keyboard or the harp at the two third of the song. Keith is a magician. In an interview around 1992, he said how it is fun to change one thing in a song and discover a new one.
Of course, he works with the influences, just like a bluesman.

The origin of Magic bus. Others to come.

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There are many songs from that concentrated period with a lot of similar ingredients. One could say that "Before it's too late" and "Keep on Running" also have a lot in common.
As far as BITL influencing "Satisfaction" - are we sure that Satisfaction came out after Jackie Day's song?

If you don't think that Before it's too late of Jackie Day is the origin of Jumpin' Jack Flash, we can't talk music together. Good day.

It's an interesting topic you raised, and yes I was trying to talk music with you. But you seem a bit uptight, since I don't agree with every point you raise, so yeah, better let it go.

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If you don't think that Before it's too late of Jackie Day is the origin of Jumpin' Jack Flash, we can't talk music together. Good day.

According to Bill, it's not. As Bill said he wrote a piece on organ, it's most likely not the guitar riff, but rather the part where the organ is.

Day's riff has a totally different function than that of the riff in JJF as well.

So it's isn't as easy and black and white as you want it to be.

Might be that you're looking for other words than «being the origin of», though?

No it's the guitar riff. Bill wrote that on organ.

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We got to the studio early once and... in fact I think it was a rehearsal studio, I don't think it was a recording studio. And there was just myself, Brian and Charlie - the Stones NEVER arrive at the same time, you know - and Mick and Keith hadn't come. And I was just messing about and I just sat down at the piano and started doing this riff, da-daw, da-da-daw, da-da-daw... and then Brian played a bit of guitar and Charlie was doing a rhythm. We were just messing with it for 20 minutes, just filling in time, and Mick and Keith came in and we stopped and they said, Hey, that sounded really good, carry on, what is it?
- Oh, that was just something we were messing with.
- That sounds good.
And then the next day all I can really remember... we recorded it and Mick wrote great lyrics to it and it turned out to be a really good single.
- Bill Wyman, 1982

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We got to the studio early once and... in fact I think it was a rehearsal studio, I don't think it was a recording studio. And there was just myself, Brian and Charlie - the Stones NEVER arrive at the same time, you know - and Mick and Keith hadn't come. And I was just messing about and I just sat down at the piano and started doing this riff, da-daw, da-da-daw, da-da-daw... and then Brian played a bit of guitar and Charlie was doing a rhythm. We were just messing with it for 20 minutes, just filling in time, and Mick and Keith came in and we stopped and they said, Hey, that sounded really good, carry on, what is it?
- Oh, that was just something we were messing with.
- That sounds good.
And then the next day all I can really remember... we recorded it and Mick wrote great lyrics to it and it turned out to be a really good single.
- Bill Wyman, 1982

Too bad the part he wrote was the only place he wasn't allowed to play in the song... The irony..

Dang! I thought Satisfaction was all about being in the right place at the right time with the right person by your side. Y'all proving me wrong.

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You cant always get what you want.



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Sympathy for the devil