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Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: November 23, 2016 23:29

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Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: TeddyB1018 ()
Date: November 23, 2016 23:49

Hm. We know Paul Trynka has an axe to grind (Brian's to be specific).

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: November 23, 2016 23:54

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RipThisBone
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Maindefender
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Kurt
That review from Mojo is the perfect example of a rock "journalist" that loves themselves more than they love their profession.

How many big words can I use in my "review" while I float above the world in my own shit-zeppelin? Give me a @#$%& break, man.

I'm now more excited for this release than ever, especially since Paul Trynka used the word 'prosaic' and 'hagiographic'.

edit: I had to look up 'hagiographic' because spell-check wouldn't even recognize it as a real word.


Funny......thumbs up

Funny indeed.

thumbs down "review"...this "journalist" don't know what he/she is talking about.

Edit: hagiographic my ass.

Edit 2 : "When Jagger fakes a bluesman's howl...etc."
HAHAHAHA!!!
So this "journalist" thinks people like Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf etc. were not faking but had the real blues......eye rolling smiley
Gimme a break. They were great artists and songwriters just like THE ROLLING STONES.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-11-23 23:56 by RipThisBone.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: November 24, 2016 00:50

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Hairball
Thanks for posting Cristiano. thumbs up
Mostly positive except for paragraph three...hope that part doesn't hurt anyone's feelings around here.

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Maindefender
Pretty lukewarm review, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Paragraph 5 is not kind to Keith, but if the reviewer understood Aaron Neville's My True Story he may understand Keith's role on this album a little better. Looking forward to hearing Little Rain...

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Rokyfan
I don't know, I read it and got excited to hear the album. If there are three songs on it that are magic, as he says, then that is great and all anyone can expect. Three magic, three relative duds and the rest pretty good. I know there are people who have to say every song is great, even before hearing it, but to me that is a pretty good and probably realistic review.

Attempting to fix quotes in proper order as something ran amok.

I agree with you both, though I initially tried to look on the brightside with a 'mostly positive' remark.
But on further reading (and only 3 out of 5 stars) it is indeed a lukewarm review as Maindefender stated.

On the other hand, I agree with Rokyfan regarding the 'Three magic, three relative duds and the rest pretty good'. Compared to some of the abysmal releases of the past (D&G, all of ABB, etc. ), three is better than none.
Perhaps a realistic review, but wish I could hear it all now to decide for myself. For all I know there could be four magic tunes, and maybe even five! One things certain, there can't be any Streets of Love type duds on this. thumbs up

_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Redhotcarpet ()
Date: November 24, 2016 01:11

Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Redhotcarpet ()
Date: November 24, 2016 01:18

Mick said he sounds young on some numbers. Thats an interesting remark. The Jagger everybody is a fan of is the young man who sang like an old man.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: November 24, 2016 01:38

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Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Keiths album deserved 1/5...?
You're hard to please or did I get something wrong ?


Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 07:46

Rokyfan, Redhotcarpet and anyone else handing out star ratings... You have heard the album, not just read the track list, right? Get a grip...

Rod

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 24, 2016 09:47

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Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

eye popping smiley

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Redhotcarpet ()
Date: November 24, 2016 10:13

Alright i was too hard on (giggety) Keith. I give him 2/5.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: TeddyB1018 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 10:20

The Mojo review grants the new one 8 of 10. It also cites Little Rain as the highlight Keith's album was a small miracle at this late date. More than three magic ones, maybe five or six.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 24, 2016 11:13

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TeddyB1018
The Mojo review grants the new one 8 of 10. It also cites Little Rain as the highlight Keith's album was a small miracle at this late date. More than three magic ones, maybe five or six.

thumbs up

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Date: November 24, 2016 11:14

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TeddyB1018
The Mojo review grants the new one 8 of 10. It also cites Little Rain as the highlight Keith's album was a small miracle at this late date. More than three magic ones, maybe five or six.

Have you heard the album, Teddy?

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Bashlets ()
Date: November 24, 2016 15:51

8 out of 10 is very good Can someone scan the mojo review or place a link to it?

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Date: November 24, 2016 15:57


Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Redhotcarpet ()
Date: November 24, 2016 16:56

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shortfatfanny
Quote
Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Keiths album deserved 1/5...?
You're hard to please or did I get something wrong ?

It is not a good album. You wouldnt give it a chance had it been released by someone other than KR.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Date: November 24, 2016 17:18

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Redhotcarpet
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shortfatfanny
Quote
Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Keiths album deserved 1/5...?
You're hard to please or did I get something wrong ?

It is not a good album. You wouldnt give it a chance had it been released by someone other than KR.

If I heard Suspicious, Trouble, Lover's Plea, Nothing On Me, Heartstopper or Blues In The Morning by another artist I would certainly have paid attention and wanted to hear more.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: November 24, 2016 17:22

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Bashlets
8 out of 10 is very good Can someone scan the mojo review or place a link to it?

The Mojo review courtesy of Rockman
[iorr.org]




"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Deltics ()
Date: November 24, 2016 17:23

Review in the Guardian:
[www.theguardian.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: November 24, 2016 17:39

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Redhotcarpet
Quote
shortfatfanny
Quote
Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Keiths album deserved 1/5...?
You're hard to please or did I get something wrong ?

It is not a good album. You wouldnt give it a chance had it been released by someone other than KR.

Well then...thank you for putting me in the cheerleader section.
It's a very fine album regardless it's KR's.


Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 17:41

3 *** for 5 ***** possible = 6/10



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KRiffhard
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TeddyB1018
The Mojo review grants the new one 8 of 10. It also cites Little Rain as the highlight Keith's album was a small miracle at this late date. More than three magic ones, maybe five or six.

thumbs up

***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: November 24, 2016 17:45

Quote
Deltics
Review in the Guardian:
[www.theguardian.com]



Last week, a US journalist interviewing the Rolling Stones offered up a 21st-century spin on the old ‘Can white men sing the blues?’ argument. Wasn’t the Stones’ early repertoire, heavy on the songs of Willie Dixon, Jimmy Reed, Slim Harpo, Muddy Waters et al, just an example of cultural appropriation, he asked? You might charitably describe Keith Richards’ response as a little confused. At one juncture, he appeared to suggest that the blues was actually “quite Jewish”, but the bulk of the answer consisted of Richards insisting that he was, in fact, black: “Ask any of the brothers.”


Tireless on your behalf, I’ve researched this thoroughly and can exclusively reveal that he isn’t. But equally, the charge of cultural appropriation feels deeply unfair. The biggest band of the British blues boom were always among the loudest cheerleaders for the real deal. They never pulled the grim Led Zeppelin trick of claiming they’d written songs they’d clearly swiped from old blues artists, never missed an opportunity to take BB King on tour or to try to educate their audience about the artists they were paying homage to. “I think it’s about time you shut up and we had Howlin’ Wolf on stage,” suggested Brian Jones to the presenter of US TV show Shindig! in 1965, after the Stones had agreed to appear only if the show also booked Wolf and Son House, a ballsy move in a country where the Voting Rights Act hadn’t yet been passed.

The issue is being raised again because, for the first time in their career, the Rolling Stones have elected to release an album consisting entirely of blues covers. A sceptical voice might suggest it finally confirms what their last album, 2005’s lacklustre A Bigger Bang strongly hinted at: that, as songwriters at least, the Jagger/Richards partnership is out of juice. A less cynical observer’s first thought might be to wonder why they didn’t do something like this sooner: the opening cover of Buddy Johnson’s I’m Just Your Fool comes barreling out of the speakers, sounding more raw and vibrant than the Stones have done in years.


Their second thought might be that Blue and Lonesome sounds surprisingly like Mick Jagger’s show, which rather goes against the commonly held belief that Keith Richards is the band’s R&B heart and Jagger is a fashion-conscious dilettante who’d have the Stones recording tropical house with Kungs and Seeb if he thought it would make them seem relevant. You can see how that notion came about, but while there are fantastic contributions from Richards and Ronnie Wood – the grumbling twin guitars of Little Rain; the taut interplay that powers Hate to See You Go; and, especially, the woozy, chaotic backdrop they conjure on a version of Lightning Slim’s Hoo Doo Blues – it’s Jagger’s voice and harmonica that really drive Blue and Lonesome. At his least inspired, Jagger can sound like a man who isn’t singing so much as rearranging a well-worn series of mannerisms and tics, but here his vocals are extremely powerful and genuinely affecting, as if he’s digging deep within himself to find the emotions to fit the material. You expect him to be able to summon up the kind of swaggering lubriciousness requisite for Everybody Knows About My Good Thing, originally recorded by Little Johnny Taylor, which he does; more surprising is how authentically wracked he sounds on All Your Love, Hate to See You Go and the Memphis Slim-penned title track. There’s a really striking moment on the last one where he sings the line “Baby please come on home to me”, drawing out the word “please” into a chilling, agonised, vulnerable howl.

Moreover, you wonder if Jagger’s fashion-conscious dilettantism might account for the album’s sound: Blue and Lonesome feels very much a record piloted by someone who’s heard the White Stripes or the Black Keys, or the raw blues releases on which Mississippi label Fat Possum’s reputation was founded. The sound is appealingly visceral and live: the guitars are spiky and slashing, the drums punch hard, everything – including Jagger’s voice – is coated with a thin, crisp layer of distortion, as if the band are playing at such volume and with such force that the microphones can’t quite take it.


The obvious point of comparison would be the recordings the Stones made in the brief period between their rise to fame and the full flowering of Jagger and Richards’ songwriting. But if at least one track, a version of Willie Dixon’s Just Like I Treat You, might have slotted neatly onto 5 x 5 or The Rolling Stones No 2, for the most part Blue and Lonesome doesn’t really feel or sound much like the stuff the Stones made half a century ago. They wouldn’t have thanked you for saying it, but back then, their skill lay in a perhaps unwitting ability to transform gnarled rhythm and blues into thrilling teen-friendly pop: listen to Muddy Waters’ original version of I Just Wanna Make Love to You next to their 1964 version and you hear a very grownup, slow-burning record, made by a man already in middle age, converted into something urgent and wired, the soundtrack to an overexcited fumble in the back of a Ford Anglia.

Now in their 70s, men who by anyone’s standards have lived a bit, they frequently seem to tap into something deeper about the music: they really inhabit its sense of hard-won experience. The last thing you hear on the album, after a version of Willie Dixon’s I Can’t Quit You Baby crashes to a halt, is Mick Jagger asking uncertainly “was that OK?” He sounds like a man who’s still slightly awed by this music in its original form; who knows he’s still paying homage to artists he can never entirely grasp, whatever Keith Richards thinks. But the answer to his question is an unqualified yes: it’s more than OK, which is not something you can say about many Stones albums over the last 30 years.

***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-11-24 18:01 by powerage78.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: November 24, 2016 17:49

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DandelionPowderman
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Redhotcarpet
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shortfatfanny
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Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Keiths album deserved 1/5...?
You're hard to please or did I get something wrong ?

It is not a good album. You wouldnt give it a chance had it been released by someone other than KR.

If I heard Suspicious, Trouble, Lover's Plea, Nothing On Me, Heartstopper or Blues In The Morning by another artist I would certainly have paid attention and wanted to hear more.

Me too thumbs up.

I'd think we had a very good and interesting new artist to listen to !

In fact, When folks criticise the band's later work in light of their past glories I often think that had it been the work of a new unkown, we'd think it was great and the best thing since....errm the Rolling Stones winking smiley

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: November 24, 2016 18:00

Quote
powerage78
Quote
Deltics
Review in the Guardian:
[www.theguardian.com]

Last week, a US journalist interviewing the Rolling Stones offered up a 21st-century spin on the old ‘Can white men sing the blues?’ argument. Wasn’t the Stones’ early repertoire, heavy on the songs of Willie Dixon, Jimmy Reed, Slim Harpo, Muddy Waters et al, just an example of cultural appropriation, he asked? You might charitably describe Keith Richards’ response as a little confused. At one juncture, he appeared to suggest that the blues was actually “quite Jewish”, but the bulk of the answer consisted of Richards insisting that he was, in fact, black: “Ask any of the brothers.”


Tireless on your behalf, I’ve researched this thoroughly and can exclusively reveal that he isn’t. But equally, the charge of cultural appropriation feels deeply unfair. The biggest band of the British blues boom were always among the loudest cheerleaders for the real deal. They never pulled the grim Led Zeppelin trick of claiming they’d written songs they’d clearly swiped from old blues artists, never missed an opportunity to take BB King on tour or to try to educate their audience about the artists they were paying homage to. “I think it’s about time you shut up and we had Howlin’ Wolf on stage,” suggested Brian Jones to the presenter of US TV show Shindig! in 1965, after the Stones had agreed to appear only if the show also booked Wolf and Son House, a ballsy move in a country where the Voting Rights Act hadn’t yet been passed.

The issue is being raised again because, for the first time in their career, the Rolling Stones have elected to release an album consisting entirely of blues covers. A sceptical voice might suggest it finally confirms what their last album, 2005’s lacklustre A Bigger Bang strongly hinted at: that, as songwriters at least, the Jagger/Richards partnership is out of juice. A less cynical observer’s first thought might be to wonder why they didn’t do something like this sooner: the opening cover of Buddy Johnson’s I’m Just Your Fool comes barreling out of the speakers, sounding more raw and vibrant than the Stones have done in years.


Their second thought might be that Blue and Lonesome sounds surprisingly like Mick Jagger’s show, which rather goes against the commonly held belief that Keith Richards is the band’s R&B heart and Jagger is a fashion-conscious dilettante who’d have the Stones recording tropical house with Kungs and Seeb if he thought it would make them seem relevant. You can see how that notion came about, but while there are fantastic contributions from Richards and Ronnie Wood – the grumbling twin guitars of Little Rain; the taut interplay that powers Hate to See You Go; and, especially, the woozy, chaotic backdrop they conjure on a version of Lightning Slim’s Hoo Doo Blues – it’s Jagger’s voice and harmonica that really drive Blue and Lonesome. At his least inspired, Jagger can sound like a man who isn’t singing so much as rearranging a well-worn series of mannerisms and tics, but here his vocals are extremely powerful and genuinely affecting, as if he’s digging deep within himself to find the emotions to fit the material. You expect him to be able to summon up the kind of swaggering lubriciousness requisite for Everybody Knows About My Good Thing, originally recorded by Little Johnny Taylor, which he does; more surprising is how authentically wracked he sounds on All Your Love, Hate to See You Go and the Memphis Slim-penned title track. There’s a really striking moment on the last one where he sings the line “Baby please come on home to me”, drawing out the word “please” into a chilling, agonised, vulnerable howl.

Moreover, you wonder if Jagger’s fashion-conscious dilettantism might account for the album’s sound: Blue and Lonesome feels very much a record piloted by someone who’s heard the White Stripes or the Black Keys, or the raw blues releases on which Mississippi label Fat Possum’s reputation was founded. The sound is appealingly visceral and live: the guitars are spiky and slashing, the drums punch hard, everything – including Jagger’s voice – is coated with a thin, crisp layer of distortion, as if the band are playing at such volume and with such force that the microphones can’t quite take it.


The obvious point of comparison would be the recordings the Stones made in the brief period between their rise to fame and the full flowering of Jagger and Richards’ songwriting. But if at least one track, a version of Willie Dixon’s Just Like I Treat You, might have slotted neatly onto 5 x 5 or The Rolling Stones No 2, for the most part Blue and Lonesome doesn’t really feel or sound much like the stuff the Stones made half a century ago. They wouldn’t have thanked you for saying it, but back then, their skill lay in a perhaps unwitting ability to transform gnarled rhythm and blues into thrilling teen-friendly pop: listen to Muddy Waters’ original version of I Just Wanna Make Love to You next to their 1964 version and you hear a very grownup, slow-burning record, made by a man already in middle age, converted into something urgent and wired, the soundtrack to an overexcited fumble in the back of a Ford Anglia.

Now in their 70s, men who by anyone’s standards have lived a bit, they frequently seem to tap into something deeper about the music: they really inhabit its sense of hard-won experience. The last thing you hear on the album, after a version of Willie Dixon’s I Can’t Quit You Baby crashes to a halt, is Mick Jagger asking uncertainly “was that OK?” He sounds like a man who’s still slightly awed by this music in its original form; who knows he’s still paying homage to artists he can never entirely grasp, whatever Keith Richards thinks. But the answer to his question is an unqualified yes: it’s more than OK, which is not something you can say about many Stones albums over the last 30 years.[[/b]/quote]

...so they should do only blues covers?!
Nah
thumbs down

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: November 24, 2016 18:23

I kind of predicted the reviews. Blues is political correct in the critics section. It's arts music now. Like jazz. Very serious and cerebral. I think the sells figures will be the true reviewer this time around.
At least they have picked a smart relase date and a easy to recognize album cover.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: November 24, 2016 18:40

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bitusa2012
Rokyfan, Redhotcarpet and anyone else handing out star ratings... You have heard the album, not just read the track list, right? Get a grip...

You are a bit confused. The guy who wrote the review gave it some stars, which I could not care less about. I said that reading his review made me excited to hear the album. That was based on what he wrote about the music, not on stars.

Was that so hard to understand? Get a grip? Maybe learn to read?

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: November 24, 2016 19:01

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Spud
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DandelionPowderman
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Redhotcarpet
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shortfatfanny
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Redhotcarpet
Paul Trynka is probably too kind and of course he is right about The Stones disgusting attitude towards Brian. The realistic review is probably 2/5. Keiths album deserved 1/5.

Keiths album deserved 1/5...?
You're hard to please or did I get something wrong ?

It is not a good album. You wouldnt give it a chance had it been released by someone other than KR.

If I heard Suspicious, Trouble, Lover's Plea, Nothing On Me, Heartstopper or Blues In The Morning by another artist I would certainly have paid attention and wanted to hear more.

Me too thumbs up.

I'd think we had a very good and interesting new artist to listen to !

In fact, When folks criticise the band's later work in light of their past glories I often think that had it been the work of a new unkown, we'd think it was great and the best thing since....errm the Rolling Stones winking smiley


Keith's album reminded me in some ways of some of Dylan's latter day great albums (Time Out of Mind, Love and Theft, Modern Times).
Stripped down, well written, and nicely produced while reflecting the roots and inspirations of a lifelong passion for what they love. Time Out of Mind is one of my favorite Dylan albums of all time as it spoke to me for months upon release (and still does) just as Crosseyed Heart did/does - it's my favorite Stones related album in decades. Blue and Lonesome will be a nice addition to the Stones catalogue, but will suffer a bit simply because it's all covers. If it had been all blues originals, and based on the production I've heard, then it might have ranked up with some of their all time best . I haven't heard it all yet, but I do know all the originals...nothing will surpass those ever imo.

"I mean what's the point in listening to us doing "I'm A King Bee" when you can listen to Slim Harpo doing it"? - Mick

_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: November 24, 2016 19:09

Ride Em On Down is available to download from the Internet if you know how to find it, ITunes quality, 256kbps.

I love it, great version.

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Ross ()
Date: November 24, 2016 19:17

Quote
georgelicks
Ride Em On Down is available to download from the Internet if you know how to find it, ITunes quality, 256kbps.

I love it, great version.

I would be ever so grateful!

Rossv427@hotmail.com

Re: The Rolling Stones new blues album "Blue & Lonesome" due out Dec 2
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: November 24, 2016 19:22

Quote
georgelicks
Ride Em On Down is available to download from the Internet if you know how to find it, ITunes quality, 256kbps.

I love it, great version.

Thanks for the hint, georgelicks. thumbs up

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