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An absolute crackerjack of a track, and a crying shame it's rarely played. Perhaps a candidate for the setlist at the Alleycat
?
It's okay, and it's great that they played it, but it's one of those tunes that doesn't seem to translate as slower. The frantic energy of the original is part of what makes it such a great song.
That live version is more subdued. Yeah, granted, they're not ever going to play it like they did in the mid-1960s because they're not that band.
So it was Bill.
Apparently it was
However, it's strange that he didn't mention that this was a Brian trick. Now it sounds like something Bill invented..
Didn't a lot of musicians already do this before Brian or Bill? I am thinking, for instance, the intro to Roadrunner?
Of course, but it was Brian who used to do this in the Stones
Yes, rip The Rolling Stones.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Unfortunately they are not on the new 5cd The Legend Of Emerald with "all" outtakes and alternates 1961-66.
This looks like the same old, same old rehashed yet again.
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"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
But it seems to be the most complete attempt until now, even incl. the unfinished My Girl take.
Hmmm...too much beer can affect your judgement sensibilities.
A closer listen lead me to believe that some of these «early versions» are the takes they used to mime/sing over for Ed Sullivan and other shows. At least 19th Nervous Breakdown is, surely?
Where to get them now? And why did they release it online? Why doesn't ABKCO release a box set? It would sell 100.000s. I'm sure the 60s outtakes we know is only 20-40% of what's existing, not counting the studio rehearsals.
Drop me an email.
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Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: September 6, 2016 14:20
Together with 'Paint it black' one of the best pop-songs from the sixties...
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Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
grzegorz67
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Date: September 6, 2016 14:33
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
LeonidP
19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper should be warhorses in concert!
+1
An absolute crackerjack of a track, and a crying shame it's rarely played. Perhaps a candidate for the setlist at the Alleycat
?Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 6, 2016 18:21
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Silver Dagger
And ain't this version at the Double Door, Chicago in 1997 one of the best. What a surprise to have it at that half tempo too.
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It's okay, and it's great that they played it, but it's one of those tunes that doesn't seem to translate as slower. The frantic energy of the original is part of what makes it such a great song.
That live version is more subdued. Yeah, granted, they're not ever going to play it like they did in the mid-1960s because they're not that band.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Wry Cooter
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Date: September 7, 2016 04:48
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marcovandereijk
Found Bill's quote on the brilliant timeisonourside.com website, but it does not say
what year it's from:Quote
Bill Wyman
I played a small-bodied Framus on that one. Not the red Framus bass that I used a lot onstage around that time but the one with the brown and yellow stripes across it that looked like a humbug. It was semi-acoustic. Andrew (Oldham) or Keith said something like, Why don't you do something at the end there, some kind of a lick that will fill up the space between the vocals and the band? I came up with that Bo Diddley thing really, I just bounced the string with the top of my finger on the pickup, and ran my finger down the string. That is what created that so-called "dive-bombing" sound. Can't do it on guitars I own now.
So it was Bill.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 7, 2016 08:37
Quote
Wry CooterQuote
marcovandereijk
Found Bill's quote on the brilliant timeisonourside.com website, but it does not say
what year it's from:Quote
Bill Wyman
I played a small-bodied Framus on that one. Not the red Framus bass that I used a lot onstage around that time but the one with the brown and yellow stripes across it that looked like a humbug. It was semi-acoustic. Andrew (Oldham) or Keith said something like, Why don't you do something at the end there, some kind of a lick that will fill up the space between the vocals and the band? I came up with that Bo Diddley thing really, I just bounced the string with the top of my finger on the pickup, and ran my finger down the string. That is what created that so-called "dive-bombing" sound. Can't do it on guitars I own now.
So it was Bill.
Apparently it was
However, it's strange that he didn't mention that this was a Brian trick. Now it sounds like something Bill invented..
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: September 7, 2016 11:46
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Wry CooterQuote
marcovandereijk
Found Bill's quote on the brilliant timeisonourside.com website, but it does not say
what year it's from:Quote
Bill Wyman
I played a small-bodied Framus on that one. Not the red Framus bass that I used a lot onstage around that time but the one with the brown and yellow stripes across it that looked like a humbug. It was semi-acoustic. Andrew (Oldham) or Keith said something like, Why don't you do something at the end there, some kind of a lick that will fill up the space between the vocals and the band? I came up with that Bo Diddley thing really, I just bounced the string with the top of my finger on the pickup, and ran my finger down the string. That is what created that so-called "dive-bombing" sound. Can't do it on guitars I own now.
So it was Bill.
Apparently it was
However, it's strange that he didn't mention that this was a Brian trick. Now it sounds like something Bill invented..
Didn't a lot of musicians already do this before Brian or Bill? I am thinking, for instance, the intro to Roadrunner?
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: September 7, 2016 12:01
Quote
matxilQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Wry CooterQuote
marcovandereijk
Found Bill's quote on the brilliant timeisonourside.com website, but it does not say
what year it's from:Quote
Bill Wyman
I played a small-bodied Framus on that one. Not the red Framus bass that I used a lot onstage around that time but the one with the brown and yellow stripes across it that looked like a humbug. It was semi-acoustic. Andrew (Oldham) or Keith said something like, Why don't you do something at the end there, some kind of a lick that will fill up the space between the vocals and the band? I came up with that Bo Diddley thing really, I just bounced the string with the top of my finger on the pickup, and ran my finger down the string. That is what created that so-called "dive-bombing" sound. Can't do it on guitars I own now.
So it was Bill.
Apparently it was
However, it's strange that he didn't mention that this was a Brian trick. Now it sounds like something Bill invented..
Didn't a lot of musicians already do this before Brian or Bill? I am thinking, for instance, the intro to Roadrunner?
Of course, but it was Brian who used to do this in the Stones
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
LukeTheDrifter
()
Date: September 7, 2016 13:11
A true classic.
I suspect the reason why they rarely play it live is simply cause Mick & Keith realise they're unable to do it justice.
I suspect the reason why they rarely play it live is simply cause Mick & Keith realise they're unable to do it justice.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: September 7, 2016 16:58
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GasLightStreet
That live version is more subdued. Yeah, granted, they're not ever going to play it like they did in the mid-1960s because they're not that band.
Yes, rip The Rolling Stones.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: March 19, 2017 16:50
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Deltics
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Date: March 19, 2017 16:55
Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: March 19, 2017 17:07
Quote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
Unfortunately they are not on the new 5cd The Legend Of Emerald with "all" outtakes and alternates 1961-66.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Deltics
()
Date: March 19, 2017 18:16
Quote
Monsoon RagoonQuote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
Unfortunately they are not on the new 5cd The Legend Of Emerald with "all" outtakes and alternates 1961-66.
This looks like the same old, same old rehashed yet again.
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"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: March 19, 2017 18:27
Quote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon RagoonQuote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
Unfortunately they are not on the new 5cd The Legend Of Emerald with "all" outtakes and alternates 1961-66.
This looks like the same old, same old rehashed yet again.
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But it seems to be the most complete attempt until now, even incl. the unfinished My Girl take.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
frtg55
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Date: March 19, 2017 21:49
This song is not really my kind of stuff!
Not bad, not good!
I was always a little bit bored.
A song, for having a break, to go to the kitchen and bring some more beer!
Not bad, not good!
I was always a little bit bored.
A song, for having a break, to go to the kitchen and bring some more beer!
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
hopkins
()
Date: March 20, 2017 00:02
Yes for me a classic in every sense of the word. When I was growing up a song talking straight like this meant everything. They secured my fanship fast and forever with just a few like these. No body else was touching this stuff. Not in pop and rock and roll anyway....maybe old blues guys or something...but no one was dealing w real stuff like this on pop radio and etc...
Great lyrics, fantastic bridge; this was a cut above in every way.
These Hollywood sessions were fantastic. The lyrics showed intelligence and courage and straightforward connection with that edge. This and Have You Seen Your Mother and I knew it forever even as a young teen. This was something else; this was beyond pop music pleasantries; this cut thru the nerves down to the bone and it rocked like hell while doing so. I can't even give this one a numerical score or anything. It's one of the foundational struts of their inherent legitimacy for me. It set them way apart from everybody else. This Rolling Stones thing was very serious after this one. It was a graduation into something else. Beautifully performed too, down to those excellent harmonies...I think it was just the five of them too; no guests on other instruments that I'm aware of...correct me if wrong please....
they did this on Ed Sullivan pretty much exactly two years after The Beatles did their first American performance there. This was something so entirely different. They did Satisfaction that night too. A single for goodness sake. I don't even think it had an album attached to it....very very powerful. It was either Number 1 or Number 2 here. It was a huge hit. It was daring and different AND a huge hit. And deserved to be. It's delicious in every way...and appropriately cutting. This is the kind of stuff that really made me a very serious fan for life.
Great lyrics, fantastic bridge; this was a cut above in every way.
These Hollywood sessions were fantastic. The lyrics showed intelligence and courage and straightforward connection with that edge. This and Have You Seen Your Mother and I knew it forever even as a young teen. This was something else; this was beyond pop music pleasantries; this cut thru the nerves down to the bone and it rocked like hell while doing so. I can't even give this one a numerical score or anything. It's one of the foundational struts of their inherent legitimacy for me. It set them way apart from everybody else. This Rolling Stones thing was very serious after this one. It was a graduation into something else. Beautifully performed too, down to those excellent harmonies...I think it was just the five of them too; no guests on other instruments that I'm aware of...correct me if wrong please....
they did this on Ed Sullivan pretty much exactly two years after The Beatles did their first American performance there. This was something so entirely different. They did Satisfaction that night too. A single for goodness sake. I don't even think it had an album attached to it....very very powerful. It was either Number 1 or Number 2 here. It was a huge hit. It was daring and different AND a huge hit. And deserved to be. It's delicious in every way...and appropriately cutting. This is the kind of stuff that really made me a very serious fan for life.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
BamaStone
()
Date: March 20, 2017 23:11
They performed it Opening Night, BB Soldier Field, 9/23/97, I Was There, 14 Row!!
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
retired_dog
()
Date: March 21, 2017 05:29
Quote
frtg55
This song is not really my kind of stuff!
Not bad, not good!
I was always a little bit bored.
A song, for having a break, to go to the kitchen and bring some more beer!
Hmmm...too much beer can affect your judgement sensibilities.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
BroomWagon
()
Date: March 21, 2017 06:08
A new appreciation for it because the RS songs most talked about are Satisfaction, Gimme Shelter, etc. and it gets pushed to the background.
Just like in a song game we play, we've mentioned Have you seen your mother baby (standing in the shadow); it's really a great work but under recognized.
Just like in a song game we play, we've mentioned Have you seen your mother baby (standing in the shadow); it's really a great work but under recognized.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
exilestones
()
Date: March 21, 2017 07:56
On our ACID first trip I tried so hard to rearrange your mind
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: March 21, 2017 10:39
Quote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
A closer listen lead me to believe that some of these «early versions» are the takes they used to mime/sing over for Ed Sullivan and other shows. At least 19th Nervous Breakdown is, surely?
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: March 21, 2017 10:44
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
A closer listen lead me to believe that some of these «early versions» are the takes they used to mime/sing over for Ed Sullivan and other shows. At least 19th Nervous Breakdown is, surely?
Where to get them now? And why did they release it online? Why doesn't ABKCO release a box set? It would sell 100.000s. I'm sure the 60s outtakes we know is only 20-40% of what's existing, not counting the studio rehearsals.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: March 21, 2017 10:50
Quote
Monsoon RagoonQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
DelticsQuote
Monsoon Ragoon
New early takes of 19th Nervous Breakdown and Mother's Little Helper have surfaced according to Elliot (online) and Zentgraf.
They were posted by ABKCO as "Copyright Preservation" a couple of months ago on YouTube. They've now been taken down.
A closer listen lead me to believe that some of these «early versions» are the takes they used to mime/sing over for Ed Sullivan and other shows. At least 19th Nervous Breakdown is, surely?
Where to get them now? And why did they release it online? Why doesn't ABKCO release a box set? It would sell 100.000s. I'm sure the 60s outtakes we know is only 20-40% of what's existing, not counting the studio rehearsals.
Drop me an email.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown (New)
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: March 21, 2017 13:13
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
matxilQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Wry CooterQuote
marcovandereijk
Found Bill's quote on the brilliant timeisonourside.com website, but it does not say
what year it's from:Quote
Bill Wyman
I played a small-bodied Framus on that one. Not the red Framus bass that I used a lot onstage around that time but the one with the brown and yellow stripes across it that looked like a humbug. It was semi-acoustic. Andrew (Oldham) or Keith said something like, Why don't you do something at the end there, some kind of a lick that will fill up the space between the vocals and the band? I came up with that Bo Diddley thing really, I just bounced the string with the top of my finger on the pickup, and ran my finger down the string. That is what created that so-called "dive-bombing" sound. Can't do it on guitars I own now.
So it was Bill.
Apparently it was
However, it's strange that he didn't mention that this was a Brian trick. Now it sounds like something Bill invented..
Didn't a lot of musicians already do this before Brian or Bill? I am thinking, for instance, the intro to Roadrunner?
Of course, but it was Brian who used to do this in the Stones
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: March 21, 2017 14:06
The new version of 19th Nervous Breakdown has the same vocal track as the known outtake, but more/different overdubs (incl. an exotic guitar/instrument). Mother's Little Helper is the usual backing track with different vocals, Keith does the "introduction". Thanks DandelionPowderman.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
ryanpow
()
Date: November 2, 2017 16:00
This song took some time to grow on me but now I consider it one of my faves. Also like the "Got Live If You Want it Version", a precursor to punk.
Re: Track Talk: 19th Nervous Breakdown
Posted by:
jp.M
()
Date: November 2, 2017 21:45
...one of my 5 favourites...
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