Seems this verse is some times left of live versions of Sympanthy for the Devil.

thoughts?

At different times, places, the line was probably considered to be offensive to the audience...similar reason as to why you never hear the black girls line from Some Girls.

It hasn't been included in the live versions for a long time and neither has the Troubadours ill-fated trip to Bombay

question.. why? those lyrics arent offensive, imo..

the song has other more offensive lyrics, if one wants to hear it that way.

for example the reference to the Nazi death camps..

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It hasn't been included in the live versions for a long time and neither has the Troubadours ill-fated trip to Bombay

You sure? I could swear I heard "who get killed before they reach Bobbay" on the last EU tour ...

Because it's gotten to be so goddamned long of a song! Mick probably can't remember where he's at so...

I think it's cut out to make live version shorter not because it's too offensive. They also cut some lyrics in Memory Motel. I don't think Mick ever sung all verses live.

I have read several times that it was the Kennedy family who requested it be removed.Reportedly John John had requested it for a concert they were going to attend in Boston, and they have left it out since..
Unsubstantiated rumor though, but it seems plausible.

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I think it's cut out to make live version shorter not because it's too offensive. They also cut some lyrics in Memory Motel. I don't think Mick ever sung all verses live.

and yet they still manage to make satisfaction 8 minutes long lol

The verse was sung in 1969. Since then it's not been sung from everything I can find back to 1975.

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The verse was sung in 1969. Since then it's not been sung from everything I can find back to 1975.

He sung it in '94 (Oakland)...

video: [youtu.be]

and Rio '95...

[youtu.be]

...and the Miami '94 pay-per-view as well, so I assume all of the Voodoo Lounge Tour.

Unbelievable that anybody could attend a Stones concert and be offended by this or any of their songs. If they bother you, then don't go. It's not like it's a surprise the Stones are provocative.
And for all the clueless, non-Stones fans out there, Mick Jagger does not think he's the devil. He was an actor playing the part in a song. He rarely writes autobiographical songs.

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The verse was sung in 1969. Since then it's not been sung from everything I can find back to 1975.

He sung it in '94 (Oakland)...

video: [youtu.be]

and Rio '95...

[youtu.be]

...and the Miami '94 pay-per-view as well, so I assume all of the Voodoo Lounge Tour.

OK. I haven't checked on any of the VOODOO boots I have because it's not on them! But I'll take your word for it.

Did he sing it in 1970?

It's funny that they released STICKY FINGERS and didn't tour it at all and started recording in France not too long after it came out. Mick said they didn't do SFTD live for ages but in reality, sure, it was a few years on the calendar, but it was only 3 tours they didn't play it between 1970 and 1975.

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Unbelievable that anybody could attend a Stones concert and be offended by this or any of their songs. If they bother you, then don't go. It's not like it's a surprise the Stones are provocative.
And for all the clueless, non-Stones fans out there, Mick Jagger does not think he's the devil. He was an actor playing the part in a song. He rarely writes autobiographical songs.

Yes it is amazing how long the "devil worship" meme persisted. It's almost as if no-one thinks of actually listening to the lyrics:

"when after all, it was you and me"
"fought for ten decades, for the gods they made".

Clue: it's real live people that do the bad things (and good things for that matter).

[see also: Street Fighting Man - it's about not fighting...and so on]

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The verse was sung in 1969. Since then it's not been sung from everything I can find back to 1975.

He sung it in '94 (Oakland)...

video: [youtu.be]

and Rio '95...

[youtu.be]

...and the Miami '94 pay-per-view as well, so I assume all of the Voodoo Lounge Tour.

OK. I haven't checked on any of the VOODOO boots I have because it's not on them! But I'll take your word for it.

Did he sing it in 1970?

It's funny that they released STICKY FINGERS and didn't tour it at all and started recording in France not too long after it came out. Mick said they didn't do SFTD live for ages but in reality, sure, it was a few years on the calendar, but it was only 3 tours they didn't play it between 1970 and 1975.

I just casually checked a couple of those videos, plus listened to the Miami pay-per-view...he also sang it on the Pasadena boot for the show I attended that tour.

I had checked '89 first and noticed he didn't sing it then, so I thought for a moment maybe the line was never sung in the "modern era" (89-present). Was surprised to hear it in '94/95.

Mick probably got weary of one too many grammarnazis incorrectly (or correctly) coming up to him at the concert after party and telling him that the proper grammar is "You and I" and not "You and me"... and eventually he probably thought fk this, I am here to meet groupies not discuss grammar, so from now on, no one gets to hear those original lyric sung live...

...and nobody has tried correcting him since.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-03 00:24 by Deltics.

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Mick probably got weary of one too many grammarnazis incorrectly (or correctly) coming up to him at the concert after party and telling him that the proper grammar is "You and I" and not "You and me"... and eventually he probably thought fk this, I am here to meet groupies not discuss grammar, so from now on, no one gets to hear those original lyric sung live...

...and nobody has tried correcting him since.

You and me is correct.
Take out the "you and" from the line and you're left with "Who killed the Kennedys when after all, it was me".
"It was I" is so wrong.
Your friendly grammar nazi.
You're welcome.

incorrectly (or correctly)... people were still interfering with Mick finding groupies... so... you know...

while we're at it..

SFTD on Ya Ya's is one great reworking of a studio version..

( same for Rambler, Live With Me, and Stray Cat Blues for that matter..)

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Mick probably got weary of one too many grammarnazis incorrectly (or correctly) coming up to him at the concert after party and telling him that the proper grammar is "You and I" and not "You and me"... and eventually he probably thought fk this, I am here to meet groupies not discuss grammar, so from now on, no one gets to hear those original lyric sung live...

...and nobody has tried correcting him since.

You and me is correct.
Take out the "you and" from the line and you're left with "Who killed the Kennedys when after all, it was me".
"It was I" is so wrong.
Your friendly grammar nazi.
You're welcome.

incorrectly (or correctly)... people were still interfering with Mick finding groupies... so... you know...

Darn, I thought I'd deleted it before it was seen. That'll teach me to read things properly first!



"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

This line had been sung on EVERY version of Sympathy until 2002. The last Sympathy where this lines were included was the last of 1999 [www.iorr.org]. It's been left out since the Licks tour.

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This line had been sung on EVERY version of Sympathy until 2002. The last Sympathy where this lines were included was the last of 1999 [www.iorr.org]. It's been left out since the Licks tour.

Not on EVERY version...not Atlantic City '89, or other '89-90 shows...unless my ears are somehow missing it.

video: [youtu.be]
(Atlantic City '89)

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jambay
Mick probably got weary of one too many grammarnazis incorrectly (or correctly) coming up to him at the concert after party and telling him that the proper grammar is "You and I" and not "You and me"... and eventually he probably thought fk this, I am here to meet groupies not discuss grammar, so from now on, no one gets to hear those original lyric sung live...

...and nobody has tried correcting him since.

You and me is correct.
Take out the "you and" from the line and you're left with "Who killed the Kennedys when after all, it was me".
"It was I" is so wrong.
Your friendly grammar nazi.
You're welcome.

incorrectly (or correctly)... people were still interfering with Mick finding groupies... so... you know...

Darn, I thought I'd deleted it before it was seen. That'll teach me to read things properly first!

I guess the key is to remember not to get between Mick and his groupies... or we all suffer.



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Unbelievable that anybody could attend a Stones concert and be offended by this or any of their songs. If they bother you, then don't go. It's not like it's a surprise the Stones are provocative.
And for all the clueless, non-Stones fans out there, Mick Jagger does not think he's the devil. He was an actor playing the part in a song. He rarely writes autobiographical songs.

You might think a little bit differently if it was your dad and uncle.

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Stonesfan2146
This line had been sung on EVERY version of Sympathy until 2002. The last Sympathy where this lines were included was the last of 1999 [www.iorr.org]. It's been left out since the Licks tour.

Not on EVERY version...not Atlantic City '89, or other '89-90 shows...unless my ears are somehow missing it.

video: [youtu.be]
(Atlantic City '89)

Oh yeah, thanks for noticing that. On the Steel Wheels/ Urban Jungle tours the verse was replaced with an extremly long and great solo of Keith

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This line had been sung on EVERY version of Sympathy until 2002. The last Sympathy where this lines were included was the last of 1999 [www.iorr.org]. It's been left out since the Licks tour.

Not on EVERY version...not Atlantic City '89, or other '89-90 shows...unless my ears are somehow missing it.

video: [youtu.be]
(Atlantic City '89)

Oh yeah, thanks for noticing that. On the Steel Wheels/ Urban Jungle tours the verse was replaced with an extremly long and great solo of Keith

I forgot to mention the solo...very very cool!

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This line had been sung on EVERY version of Sympathy until 2002.

Not on EVERY version...not Atlantic City '89, or other '89-90 shows.

video: [youtu.be]
(Atlantic City '89)

Oh yeah, thanks for noticing that. On the Steel Wheels/ Urban Jungle tours the verse was replaced with an extremly long and great solo of Keith

It hasn't been sung since 1969 for sure until 1994, as noted by Jah Paul (and as far as I can tell it was first played on the VOODOO tour October 15 in Las Vegas), and a few recent years as well. He sang it in 1997 in St Louis:

[www.youtube.com]

The VOODOO Miami PPV videos have been pulled from YouTube by Eagle Rock. I guess you know what that means. Think they'll leave Keith's incredible screw up during his solo in SFTD that was so funny?

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Mick probably got weary of one too many grammarnazis incorrectly (or correctly) coming up to him at the concert after party and telling him that the proper grammar is "You and I" and not "You and me"... and eventually he probably thought fk this, I am here to meet groupies not discuss grammar, so from now on, no one gets to hear those original lyric sung live...

...and nobody has tried correcting him since.

You and me is correct.
Take out the "you and" from the line and you're left with "Who killed the Kennedys when after all, it was me".
"It was I" is so wrong.
Your friendly grammar nazi.
You're welcome.

incorrectly (or correctly)... people were still interfering with Mick finding groupies... so... you know...

I read, or heard somewhere that Jagger had originally written about only JFK ( would the line have been "who killed John Kennedy"?), but before they were done with it, Robert had also been killed. And he had to change it. Has anyone else read that?

Yes.