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I couldn't make one without including Love In Vain and Little Red Rooster.

Also the posted lists don't include No Expectations ... Revise immediately!

Might be because it's a country-tinged blues..

Poor girl ... traded what she had for a pizza .... From perfect to a thick base.... so sad so very sad






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Midnight Rambler anyone?

Absolutely - their best ever blues song!

Love In Vain
Down In The Hole
Break The Spell
Little Red Rooster (LOVE YOU LIVE)
Mannish Boy (SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES)
I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live version from RARITIES)
Cook Cook Blues
The Storm
Honest I Do (HOPE FLOATS)
Fancy Man Blues
The Spider And The Fly (STRIPPED)
Back Of My Hand
You Got The Silver
I'm Not Signifying
Black Limousine
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Midnight Rambler
I Got The Blues
Hide Your Love
You Got To Move
Prodigal Son
No Expectations

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Love In Vain
Down In The Hole
Break The Spell
Little Red Rooster (LOVE YOU LIVE)
Mannish Boy (SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES)
I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live version from RARITIES)
Cook Cook Blues
The Storm
Honest I Do (HOPE FLOATS)
Fancy Man Blues
The Spider And The Fly (STRIPPED)
Back Of My Hand
You Got The Silver
I'm Not Signifying
Black Limousine
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Midnight Rambler
I Got The Blues
Hide Your Love
You Got To Move
Prodigal Son
No Expectations

Good list.

What makes Mannish Boy better on Sucking In The Seventies, compared to LYL?

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Love In Vain
Down In The Hole
Break The Spell
Little Red Rooster (LOVE YOU LIVE)
Mannish Boy (SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES)
I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live version from RARITIES)
Cook Cook Blues
The Storm
Honest I Do (HOPE FLOATS)
Fancy Man Blues
The Spider And The Fly (STRIPPED)
Back Of My Hand
You Got The Silver
I'm Not Signifying
Black Limousine
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Midnight Rambler
I Got The Blues
Hide Your Love
You Got To Move
Prodigal Son
No Expectations

Good list.

What makes Mannish Boy better on Sucking In The Seventies, compared to LYL?

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GasLightStreet
Love In Vain
Down In The Hole
Break The Spell
Little Red Rooster (LOVE YOU LIVE)
Mannish Boy (SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES)
I Just Want To Make Love To You (Live version from RARITIES)
Cook Cook Blues
The Storm
Honest I Do (HOPE FLOATS)
Fancy Man Blues
The Spider And The Fly (STRIPPED)
Back Of My Hand
You Got The Silver
I'm Not Signifying
Black Limousine
Stop Breaking Down
Parachute Woman
Midnight Rambler
I Got The Blues
Hide Your Love
You Got To Move
Prodigal Son
No Expectations

Good list.

What makes Mannish Boy better on Sucking In The Seventies, compared to LYL?

It's edited!

Is it? I never noticed!

Love in Vain
No expectations
I got the blues
Good times bad times
Little red rooster
Down in the hole

Long Long While
Midnight Rambler
Going Home

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I'm very curious of what you consider those songs to be. Rock? Pop? Soul? Country? Reggae? Folk? Jazz? Ska? Swing? Rockabilly?

Do you think they aren't based on the blues because they ignore the 12 bar formula?

I can see your point, but even so, I think calling Tie You Up "blues" is - to say the least - misleading. It might follow certain patterns known to the blues, but I really think most casual listeners would rather call it Rock. Of course, "rock" is such a wide-umbrella that it doesn't say much, but still, that doesn't mean calling it "blues" will make people understand more. Then again, Keith Richards might even call it "jazz".

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I'm very curious of what you consider those songs to be. Rock? Pop? Soul? Country? Reggae? Folk? Jazz? Ska? Swing? Rockabilly?

Do you think they aren't based on the blues because they ignore the 12 bar formula?

I can see your point, but even so, I think calling Tie You Up "blues" is - to say the least - misleading. It might follow certain patterns known to the blues, but I really think most casual listeners would rather call it Rock. Of course, "rock" is such a wide-umbrella that it doesn't say much, but still, that doesn't mean calling it "blues" will make people understand more. Then again, Keith Richards might even call it "jazz".

I admit including Tie You Up deliberately to create a discussion – but also to show that there are many ways of playing the blues.

Tie You Up IS a blues-based song, and not a rock song. The groove and the tempo oozes the blues, while the chords and the changes actually are a form of 12 bar blues. It's simply too slow to be rock, and that's the case with other songs on my list as well (Casino Boogie).

If we had an instrumental take of Tie You Up I'm sure my point would be even clearer, as Mick seemingly is doing what he can to make it sound more contemporary in places

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DandelionPowderman
I'm very curious of what you consider those songs to be. Rock? Pop? Soul? Country? Reggae? Folk? Jazz? Ska? Swing? Rockabilly?

Do you think they aren't based on the blues because they ignore the 12 bar formula?

I can see your point, but even so, I think calling Tie You Up "blues" is - to say the least - misleading. It might follow certain patterns known to the blues, but I really think most casual listeners would rather call it Rock. Of course, "rock" is such a wide-umbrella that it doesn't say much, but still, that doesn't mean calling it "blues" will make people understand more. Then again, Keith Richards might even call it "jazz".

I admit including Tie You Up deliberately to create a discussion – but also to show that there are many ways of playing the blues.

Tie You Up IS a blues-based song, and not a rock song. The groove and the tempo oozes the blues, while the chords and the changes actually are a form of 12 bar blues. It's simply too slow to be rock, and that's the case with other songs on my list as well (Casino Boogie).

If we had an instrumental take of Tie You Up I'm sure my point would be even clearer, as Mick seemingly is doing what he can to make it sound more contemporary in places

Just pointing out that blues songs don't have to be slow.

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DandelionPowderman
I'm very curious of what you consider those songs to be. Rock? Pop? Soul? Country? Reggae? Folk? Jazz? Ska? Swing? Rockabilly?

Do you think they aren't based on the blues because they ignore the 12 bar formula?

I can see your point, but even so, I think calling Tie You Up "blues" is - to say the least - misleading. It might follow certain patterns known to the blues, but I really think most casual listeners would rather call it Rock. Of course, "rock" is such a wide-umbrella that it doesn't say much, but still, that doesn't mean calling it "blues" will make people understand more. Then again, Keith Richards might even call it "jazz".

I admit including Tie You Up deliberately to create a discussion – but also to show that there are many ways of playing the blues.

Tie You Up IS a blues-based song, and not a rock song. The groove and the tempo oozes the blues, while the chords and the changes actually are a form of 12 bar blues. It's simply too slow to be rock, and that's the case with other songs on my list as well (Casino Boogie).

If we had an instrumental take of Tie You Up I'm sure my point would be even clearer, as Mick seemingly is doing what he can to make it sound more contemporary in places

Just pointing out that blues songs don't have to be slow.

That's true.

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DandelionPowderman
I'm very curious of what you consider those songs to be. Rock? Pop? Soul? Country? Reggae? Folk? Jazz? Ska? Swing? Rockabilly?

Do you think they aren't based on the blues because they ignore the 12 bar formula?

I can see your point, but even so, I think calling Tie You Up "blues" is - to say the least - misleading. It might follow certain patterns known to the blues, but I really think most casual listeners would rather call it Rock. Of course, "rock" is such a wide-umbrella that it doesn't say much, but still, that doesn't mean calling it "blues" will make people understand more. Then again, Keith Richards might even call it "jazz".

I admit including Tie You Up deliberately to create a discussion – but also to show that there are many ways of playing the blues.

Tie You Up IS a blues-based song, and not a rock song. The groove and the tempo oozes the blues, while the chords and the changes actually are a form of 12 bar blues. It's simply too slow to be rock, and that's the case with other songs on my list as well (Casino Boogie).

If we had an instrumental take of Tie You Up I'm sure my point would be even clearer, as Mick seemingly is doing what he can to make it sound more contemporary in places

Well, yeah, I can sort of see that, but still, I don't think there is any objective way of calling a certain song one thing or the other and in any case, blues, rock, rhythm&blues, soul, it's all related anyway. So for me, it's based on feel and "Tie You Up" doesn't feel as blues (whereas for instance "Ventilator Blues" does, whereas I think you said in another thread that that was not a blues). As someone else has said already, if you'd call Tie You Up "blues", then you might as well call almost any song of the Stones "blues", like say, "Slave" or "One Hit" or "Laugh I Nearly Died".

Basically, what I'm saying is that when someone says "I've made a blues album", you wouldn't think of songs like Tie Me Up.



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I'm very curious of what you consider those songs to be. Rock? Pop? Soul? Country? Reggae? Folk? Jazz? Ska? Swing? Rockabilly?

Do you think they aren't based on the blues because they ignore the 12 bar formula?

I can see your point, but even so, I think calling Tie You Up "blues" is - to say the least - misleading. It might follow certain patterns known to the blues, but I really think most casual listeners would rather call it Rock. Of course, "rock" is such a wide-umbrella that it doesn't say much, but still, that doesn't mean calling it "blues" will make people understand more. Then again, Keith Richards might even call it "jazz".

I admit including Tie You Up deliberately to create a discussion – but also to show that there are many ways of playing the blues.

Tie You Up IS a blues-based song, and not a rock song. The groove and the tempo oozes the blues, while the chords and the changes actually are a form of 12 bar blues. It's simply too slow to be rock, and that's the case with other songs on my list as well (Casino Boogie).

If we had an instrumental take of Tie You Up I'm sure my point would be even clearer, as Mick seemingly is doing what he can to make it sound more contemporary in places

Well, yeah, I can sort of see that, but still, I don't think there is any objective way of calling a certain song one thing or the other and in any case, blues, rock, rhythm&blues, soul, it's all related anyway. So for me, it's based on feel and "Tie You Up" doesn't feel as blues (whereas for instance "Ventilator Blues" does, whereas I think you said in another thread that that was not a blues). As someone else has said already, if you'd call Tie You Up "blues", then you might as well call almost any song of the Stones "blues", like say, "Slave" or "One Hit" or "Laugh I Nearly Died".

The blues is also a form of music, not just a feel. Hence there are some characteristica that come along. Tie You Up is not a typical blues song, but it still follows (sort of) the technical pattern we recognise in the blues.

Ventilator Blues, despite having «blues» in the title, does not follow that pattern (the chords) - and when the chorus appears it becomes a mid-tempo rock tune. Tie You Up remains true to form in its choruses (but not when the band stops playing and those drums are banging, though).

Well, enough theoretical philosophing for today. Let's call it what we wanna call it

I Want To Be Loved
Look What You've Done
I Can't Be Satisfied
Down In The Bottom
The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man
Shake Your Hips
Bright Lights, Big City
Baby, What's Wrong With You



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