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matxil
Well, both the "punk demo" as the live version are much better than the BtB version, that's for sure. I guess I prefer "garage-Stones" above "ladida-pop-Stones". I still think the lyrics are pathetic though.
I much prefer Aftermath which is a very good album or even Her Satanic Majesties which is 50% terrible but has another 50% which is very good.
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DandelionPowderman
The live version of Yesterday's Papers, extracted from a meddley with GOOMC (1967). Pretty energetic
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DandelionPowderman
Perhaps Mick was expanding his record collection at the time, and got inspired
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DandelionPowderman
Perhaps Mick was expanding his record collection at the time, and got inspired
More likely to be the influence of his fellow band members.
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Come On
Hey don't forget the punkier Demo ...
Now that's a great version 5/5...
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DandelionPowderman
Perhaps Mick was expanding his record collection at the time, and got inspired
More likely to be the influence of his fellow band members.
Might very well be, but we don't know if that's more likely than him hearing another song..
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peoplewitheyes
what song are you alluding to, DP?
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Mick Jagger
Charlie said he wanted to think up a weird drum rhythm for it
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His Majesty
Implication there that in the process of the arrangement being worked out the melody changed too. It certainly had to to fit the stones arrangement.
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DandelionPowderman
It's elementary, my dear Johnston. Facts are what matters to me
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DandelionPowderman
Bobby should have had songwriting credits for Ventilator Blues, then?
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It's elementary, my dear Johnston. Facts are what matters to me
Erm, claims made in interviews, sometimes contradictory, often absent of any real detail, are what matters to you... and the downplaying of any suggestive evidence that melodies were possibly influenced by other members of The Rolling Stones or guest musicians.
In essence: Mick and Keith never ever used influence from the others, directly or otherwise, as influence for melodies. They let everything, but their own fellow band members influence melodies.
Funny.
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DandelionPowderman
Bobby should have had songwriting credits for Ventilator Blues, then?
Did something he played or suggest result in a rhythmic or melodic change to the songs melody? If so, Yes.
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Bobby should have had songwriting credits for Ventilator Blues, then?
Did something he played or suggest result in a rhythmic or melodic change to the songs melody? If so, Yes.
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DandelionPowderman
Have you thought of possible reasons for Mick to lie about YP (of all songs), being the first song where he wrote the melody all by himself?
I agree, though, that his statements aren't facts per se. However, it's the closest we get – closer than speculation about arrangement changes (not made by Mick) being the trigger for melody changes.
Maybe Mick didn't notice how his band mates changed his song melodically?
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DandelionPowderman
Apparently, production (in which Mick maybe didn't call the shots) happened.
The rest is speculation - either way.