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wonderboy
Generally, I think Mick wants to go fast, Keith wants to slow it down.
I think I remember a clip from the 1969 tour it which they launched into Honky Tonk Woman and Keith immediately dialed it down into a slower groove and Mick looked at him, annoyed.
My brother is a guitar player and told me the thing about their great records is that they tempos are a living thing and often change within the song -- speeding up in the choruses, for example. The recorded 'Wild Horses' is very slow, so it kind of builds up dramatic tension and then speeds up a bit to give you a release.
Now I suspect the tempos are set by Chuck and Charlie at Mick's behest and Keith is content to follow along instead of set the pace.
Just opinions, so open for correction.
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DandelionPowderman
I can't see Keith initiating the use of click tracks on stage.
Sometimes the proper tempo work on stage, sometimes it doesn't, imo. It depends on the performance and the groove they are getting.
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wonderboy
Generally, I think Mick wants to go fast, Keith wants to slow it down.
I think I remember a clip from the 1969 tour it which they launched into Honky Tonk Woman and Keith immediately dialed it down into a slower groove and Mick looked at him, annoyed.
My brother is a guitar player and told me the thing about their great records is that they tempos are a living thing and often change within the song -- speeding up in the choruses, for example. The recorded 'Wild Horses' is very slow, so it kind of builds up dramatic tension and then speeds up a bit to give you a release.
Now I suspect the tempos are set by Chuck and Charlie at Mick's behest and Keith is content to follow along instead of set the pace.
Just opinions, so open for correction.
Yep, they've admitted they use a pre-set click track for Chuck to count off a lot of the songs. Wish I could find the source, but I saw an interview where Ronnie said that.
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Title5Take1
1969 Hyde Park's Honky Tonk Women is almost comically slow.
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eduardoacdc
Studio is one thing and live show in front of people is another thing.
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eduardoacdc
Studio is one thing and live show in front of people is another thing.
Exactly. My prime example would be Brown Sugar. The studio version is great, but when played live at that tempo it just SOUNDS too slow in my opinion. I liked it better when they used to kick it up a notch. Live, they have a hard time capturing that slinky, sinewy feel that makes the studio version work at that slower tempo.
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dmay
It's called "getting old", folks. Many fine souls slows down a bit as they gets older, including rock stars. Ya comes to know well the meaning of the song line, "I'm built for comfort, I ain't built for speed."
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ElGeordie
The click track thing is true - I have a set list from the ABB tour which has the tempos in BPM listed for every song as well as the key.
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Stoneage
Click tracks, samples and other tricks are only one step away from playback performances.
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DandelionPowderman
Chuck has lights indicating the beat per minutes, not a click track on his in-ear-monitor, I believe.[/quote
Think I heard that too.
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24FPS
I've never seen them capture the excitement of Get Off of My Cloud since they started playing it again a few years back. Both times I heard it, 2005, and 2013 they play it like a waltz. The whole selling point of the song is the adrenaline frenzy. Face it, we ain't going to ever hear Live With Me performed like it was on Ya Yas.
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24FPS
I've never seen them capture the excitement of Get Off of My Cloud since they started playing it again a few years back. Both times I heard it, 2005, and 2013 they play it like a waltz. The whole selling point of the song is the adrenaline frenzy. Face it, we ain't going to ever hear Live With Me performed like it was on Ya Yas.
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24FPS
I've never seen them capture the excitement of Get Off of My Cloud since they started playing it again a few years back. Both times I heard it, 2005, and 2013 they play it like a waltz. The whole selling point of the song is the adrenaline frenzy. Face it, we ain't going to ever hear Live With Me performed like it was on Ya Yas.
Charlie needs to start this one, like on the studio version. I really think something would have happened if they did it this way.
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HonkeyTonkFlash
Listening to a lot of live stuff lately and what bothers me about the Stones live from 2012 on is that a lot of songs sound too slow. Now I realize that for the most part they are actually playing them at the proper recorded tempos but they always used to kick the tempos up in concert, which I feel added to the excitement level. When done live, the proper tempos just sound too slow to me. Anyone else have thoughts on this?