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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Date: February 9, 2016 10:43

The weirdest «rhyme» is on the St. Louis version I posted here. Keith clearly forgets the lyrics and sings:

«..if you have no choice
I'll be your lover, I'll be your boss...»

That's a pretty thin rhyme. It's hilarious, but a nice off the cuff-one just the same grinning smiley



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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: February 9, 2016 11:12

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Rockman
Terrible. One of the 4 songs on Undercover I always like to skip.

Geeeeez matxil....
Must be hell living in the world
Suffering in the world like you ....hhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

smiling smiley That indeed, is another one I always "skip". (Or rather: I stopped the record two songs before).

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: February 9, 2016 11:14

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buttons67
its interesting to see the stones and wanna hold you being compared with abba and how camp they are.

as a rolling stones fan and one who has been for 28 years i feel i can offer unbiased opinion, and not always go down the route of liking everything the stones did. which i find many do try to do on here.

to compare to abba is a joke.

wanna hold you is a desperate attempt at trying to find some power and melody and pass it off as a great stones song, it failed, something that abba seldom did was fail when it came to producing great studio songs, abba, camp or not, wouldnt produce stuff like wanna hold you. many of thier songs were far superior to a lot of stones songs.

I didn't compare the song (or the Stones) to ABBA. I compared the "funny" "money" rhyming to ABBA ("Money, money, money, must be funny, in a rich man's world" ). It's comparable to "blue", "you", "true".

And I like ABBA too, but I'm sure they made a few terrible songs too. In any case, they are incomparable, ABBA is a pop-band, like the Beatles. The Stones (at best) are a blues, R&B and soul based rock n roll band.
But I agree with your description of Wanna Hold You.



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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: February 9, 2016 11:20

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DandelionPowderman
The weirdest «rhyme» is on the St. Louis version I posted here. Keith clearly forgets the lyrics and sings:

«..if you have no choice
I'll be your lover, I'll be your boss...»

That's a pretty thin rhyme. It's hilarious, but a nice off the cuff-one just the same grinning smiley

I agree that's a nice ad-lib. I actually like "thin rhymes", like "Beast of burden" with "feet are hurting". I prefer those above obvious rhymes.
My favourite is "hey, conductor you must" with "let me off the bus" from Chuck Berry's Nadine.



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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Date: February 9, 2016 11:27

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matxil
Quote
DandelionPowderman
The weirdest «rhyme» is on the St. Louis version I posted here. Keith clearly forgets the lyrics and sings:

«..if you have no choice
I'll be your lover, I'll be your boss...»

That's a pretty thin rhyme. It's hilarious, but a nice off the cuff-one just the same grinning smiley

I agree that's a nice ad-lib. I actually like "thin rhymes", like "Beast of burden" with "feet are hurting". I prefer those above obvious rhymes.
My favourite is "hey, conductor you must" with "let me off the bus" from Chuck Berry's Nadine.

Yeah, there is something about those rhymes that both make you smile, as well as fitting very good rhytmically.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: Turner68 ()
Date: February 9, 2016 17:28

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DandelionPowderman
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matxil
Quote
DandelionPowderman
The weirdest «rhyme» is on the St. Louis version I posted here. Keith clearly forgets the lyrics and sings:

«..if you have no choice
I'll be your lover, I'll be your boss...»

That's a pretty thin rhyme. It's hilarious, but a nice off the cuff-one just the same grinning smiley

I agree that's a nice ad-lib. I actually like "thin rhymes", like "Beast of burden" with "feet are hurting". I prefer those above obvious rhymes.
My favourite is "hey, conductor you must" with "let me off the bus" from Chuck Berry's Nadine.

Yeah, there is something about those rhymes that both make you smile, as well as fitting very good rhytmically.

Chuck Berry's rhymes are so clever and funny, one of the many aspects of his songwriting that make him a true great as a lyricist. I feel he influenced Mick's lyric writing heavily.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 9, 2016 18:06

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matxil
Quote
DandelionPowderman
The weirdest «rhyme» is on the St. Louis version I posted here. Keith clearly forgets the lyrics and sings:

«..if you have no choice
I'll be your lover, I'll be your boss...»

That's a pretty thin rhyme. It's hilarious, but a nice off the cuff-one just the same grinning smiley

I agree that's a nice ad-lib. I actually like "thin rhymes", like "Beast of burden" with "feet are hurting". I prefer those above obvious rhymes.
My favourite is "hey, conductor you must" with "let me off the bus" from Chuck Berry's Nadine.

And Chuck rhyming "road" with "Ford/Foad" on Maybelline.

"No Anchovies, Please"

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 9, 2016 18:08

I like this song - sure, it's no Gimme Shelter but still a fun rocker. Like some have said it's a relative of T & A.

Keith said that it was his "Beatles" song.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: February 9, 2016 20:19

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Title5Take1
The vinyl album does not have the "refuse" lines like the CD album.

It does, if you have the UK version. It was later added to all the CD releases, I believe.

Love the song, another great Keith rocker!

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: February 9, 2016 20:42

I always get the feeling I missed something in the song ....I think it's the beginning.......the whole songs sounds like it's only ending from start till finish ...............................
A great end though grinning smiley

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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: nightskyman ()
Date: February 9, 2016 21:24

This and Feel On Baby from the Undercover album are slight but enjoyable numbers. I know the Undercover album is maligned, but with songs like Wanna Hold You that makes me like that particular album. Not as much as Tattoo You, but still.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: February 9, 2016 21:27

It's OK, probably the weakest track on Undercover, but not horrible.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: Swayed1967 ()
Date: June 17, 2024 09:08

I used to think this was a Keith by numbers track with extremely unambitious lyrics, the kind of song you would order from the kids menu if music was offered at restaurants. But lately, I have come to regard this song as a forgotten masterpiece that was tragically released on the wrong album, Undercover, where it was drowned out by chainsaws and the Jagger Monkey. Centuries from now I believe this will be one of the few Stones songs played at weddings and school dances. It’s simple yet timeless, catchy and joyful. And oh those guitars...

He would never top this IMO (although a few of the songs on TIC, where this song rightfully belonged, struck the right chord, as it were). Most of his stuff on subsequent Stones albums is just dreary.



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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: June 17, 2024 12:34

Get Close sounds like I wanna Hold You and another song mashed up, maybe Sad Sad Sad.



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Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You (New)
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: June 17, 2024 17:44

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Swayed1967
extremely unambitious lyrics

Well it's a love letter to Patti. The "I hope you find it funny
That I've got no money" line is very revealing : he tells her he spent 10 years in a drug limbo, he did not manage his business well (unlike Mick) so he's "poor" (that is a poor rockstar).
Fortunately, later in the decade, some lad named Michael Cohl appeared in Keith's field of view and his future brightened...

Musically yeah it's a bit weak, especially if you compare "Wanna Hold You" to "All About You".

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Swayed1967
Most of his stuff on subsequent Stones albums is just dreary.

I think the opposite : he more or less stopped writing these "meh" generic rockers (well he relapsed in 94 with the ugly "Sparks Will Fly") to explore a new field : those slow jazzy soulful ballads that really made the "comeback"/post-89 albums memorable.

The 1st one of them was the splendid "Slipping Away" then we got "Thru And Thru" "Thief In The Night" etc. until the recent "Tell Me Straight".

If you think about it, it takes some balls for the ultimate king of rock'n roll to abandon the 101 rock song field and venture into a new territory.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You
Posted by: harlem shuffle ()
Date: June 17, 2024 19:18

Love this one,hope they play this one and Before they make me run.This is typical Keith songs

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You
Posted by: SoulSurvivor1990 ()
Date: June 17, 2024 19:27

I think this is Keith’s weakest contribution to a vocal on a Stones album aside from Too Rude. A watered down Little T&A, with none of the grit or cleverness of that one.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You
Posted by: buffalo7478 ()
Date: June 17, 2024 19:34

I LOVE this song. Best song on Undercover (or at least stands up better than the rest years later). Undercover and Too Much Blood I liked at the time, but they sound so dated now. She Was Hot seemed a throw-away.

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You
Posted by: umakmehrd ()
Date: June 17, 2024 19:53

Kinda surprised by a few negative comments...

Great RocKin tune - Keef bein Keef

Love it

Re: Track Talk: Wanna Hold You
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: June 18, 2024 07:17

Nice nice nice. A little rocker. Not supposed to be deep and meaningful. Just a Stones toe tapper. And THAT, it does well.

Rod

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