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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: June 15, 2020 03:00

Those jackets were totally in fashion back then out here on the west coast especially if you were into skiing. Michelin man coats I used to call em. Keep you warm on a cold night though. I am surprised they are back in fashion down there.

jb

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: June 22, 2020 05:22





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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: June 22, 2020 13:46

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exilestones

Mick Jagger at Philippe Patrice's 35th
Birthday at the Krypton Club

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Mick seems to be underwhelmed by that woman next to him...


Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
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Date: June 28, 2020 18:43






           



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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
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Date: June 29, 2020 01:47


Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
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Date: June 29, 2020 14:05

           
           



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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: stevecardi ()
Date: June 30, 2020 23:48

Thanks for keeping this post going exiles! Def one of the all-time great posts on this site.

I love these pics from San Francisco, especially with some reports (in actuality, clever PR spin by Bill Graham) that the Stones drew "a crowd of 146,000 for an open air-concert at Candlestick Park--the largest in the city's history." Lol, in actuality this would have meant that the Stones would have had to fill every seat in the stadium (which sat 62,000 at the time), plus put another 84,000 people on the field to have pulled off such a feat.

(I've always wondered if this "padding" of the attendance in San Francisco was why Mick and Keith started looking at Bill Graham's organization and saw some of the numbers weren't adding up, which eventually ended in Mick's punishing of Graham by denying him the Steel Wheels tour.)

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 1, 2020 02:35







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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: July 1, 2020 03:01

The SF shows at Candlestick did both sell out in hours of becoming available and although i didnt count the attendees, both days the place was full. But as i have noted elsewhere the field was not packed and one could more or less walk up to within twenty feet of the stage. The stage however was way up in the air so any closer than that twenty feet one could not see much.

jb

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: snorton ()
Date: July 1, 2020 04:28

I was at at Candlestick om Sunday the 18th, yes tickets did go fast at $16 each.
Spent the night out in the parkimg lot like we used to do for an afternoon GA entrance.

Me and my buddies drove up during the day on Saturday to spend the day in SF from San Jose. We pulled into the parkimg lot Saturday and we could hear Little T&A, so I could honestly say the first live Stones song heard was that, not an opening number from Sunday.
For what it's worth, the 2 Candlestick shows were the first shows there since the Beatles in 66.



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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: stevecardi ()
Date: July 1, 2020 06:21

Oh, I wasn't trying to suggest that the San Francisco shows didn't sell out; areal shots of the stadium alone confirm the place was packed. I'm sorry if I gave the impression otherwise.

I just remember reading when I was a kid press releases of the Stones playing an open-air concert at Candlestick Park in front of 146,000, and being in awe of that figure (not to mention it happening at the sight of the Beatles last US concert). The OCD in me tried to figure out how they got that many people in a stadium that only sat 62,000 for football games. (That figure needless to say, in actuality, was the total from both shows).

A little while later, as I started going really deep into Stones history, I started reading interviews with Keith, Bill Wyman and Mick gave in the late 1980s/early 1990s about how, after the 1981/1982 tour was over, the Stones gave some of the finance records a going over, and realized some of the monies they were supposed to have earned on the 1981 tour didn't add up based on the high attendance figures: monies that were due to the band were missing. According to Keith, Bill Graham pocketed some of those monies for himself. This, apparently, was a major reason why Mick went with Michael Choel for the Steel Wheels/Urban Jungle tour instead of Bill Graham: it was just as much to punish the latter.



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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: July 1, 2020 07:26

That part about BG is entirely plausible. And inflating the attendance records (except on the tax returns of course). Par for the course.

jb

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: stevecardi ()
Date: July 1, 2020 17:00

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jbwelda
That part about BG is entirely plausible. And inflating the attendance records (except on the tax returns of course). Par for the course.

jb

The Stones have a rep for being overly ruthless, but if BG did pocket money that belonged to the band on the 1981 tour, then Mick was 100% right to deny him the SW tour, even if by all accounts it broke Graham in the process. I don't care what reasons Graham had for pocketing some of those monies: at the end of the day, he stole from the Stones. Pure and simple.

You're also right about the attendance records. Crazy thing is that, now, it looks like the attendances can also be underreported. Look at some of the overhead crowd shots of the Rose Bowl concert from last year. There is more than 56,974 in that stadium.

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: snorton ()
Date: July 1, 2020 17:41

If Mick and BG's relationship soured after 81 / 82, that wouldn't line up with a story I heard from a former Marin Police Officer.
He told me during the mid 80's, he got a call from a citizen about a locked gate at a residence, that citizen was BG and it was at his home in Marin, or somewhere near there.
When the police arrived, Bill was in his car and who was the other passenger, none other than Mick. From a timeline situation, I remember hearimg that Mick was in the area, possibly rehearsing his solo act for his Japan and Australia tour dates.
Factor fiction, I don't know.

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: stevecardi ()
Date: July 1, 2020 18:59

Bill Wyman's interview about Graham stealing money from the 1981 San Francisco concerts.


[www.deseret.com]



Some more tidbits:

[www.rollingstone.com]

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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: Kennedy ()
Date: July 1, 2020 21:48

Bill Graham was pretty open and honest in his book about how he hyped attendance figures and sell-out times to create more hype and demand. He was a brilliant big event marketer.

Example, the whole "sold out the Superdome in 9 minutes" type claims were more marketing "liberties" more than fact.

It was all about getting that 2nd and 3rd show added to a market, because those were pure gravy (no additional set-up breakdown costs).

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 2, 2020 02:24

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stevecardi
Bill Wyman's interview about Graham stealing money from the 1981 San Francisco concerts.


[www.deseret.com]


BAND MEMBER ACCUSES LATE PROMOTER OF THEFT
By Deseret News Aug 21, 1993


In an upcoming biography of the late rock concert promoter Bill Graham, Rolling Stones member Bill Wyman accuses him of skimming hundreds of thousands of dollars from the band in a 1981 San Francisco concert.

Wyman, interviewed by John Glatt, author of "Rage & Roll: Bill Graham and the Selling of Rock," said, "Something happened on the 1981 tour. We found that he was fiddling on one of the gates. We found a discrepancy. He was running one gate without keeping a record of it so all the money was going into his pocket. We found out by pure chance."Wyman said the band refused to deal with Graham on the record-breaking 1989 "Steel Wheels" tour.

Graham, in his autobiography, claimed the rejection led to a mental breakdown and accused the Stones and promoter Michael Cohl of greed.

Graham died in a 1991 helicopter crash.




Some more tidbits:

[www.rollingstone.com]



Stones Tour: Money Talks
Band garunteed more than $65 million by Toronto promoter.


By MICHAEL GOLDBERG

1989 - edited

The Rolling Stones‘ fall tour of North America has slipped through the fingers of superpromoter Bill Graham. Instead, the self-styled World’s Greatest Rock & Roll Band signed a lucrative contract in mid-March with Toronto promoter Michael Cohl, who heads Concert Productions International (CPI).

Cohl has guaranteed the Stones an unprecedented $65 million to $70 million. His deal allows him not only to promote the tour – an estimated fifty to sixty dates in the United States and Canada – but also to handle tour merchandising and oversee both a megabucks sponsorship deal and a pay-per-view television special.

Until Cohl pushed his way into the picture, it was assumed in the Stones camp that the tour would go to Graham, who would not comment about the tour or his attempts to be a part of it. In addition to handling the Stones’ highly successful 1981-82 tour of the United States, the high-profile San Francisco promoter took Mick Jagger to Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Indonesia last year.

Cohl and Graham presented the group with two very different approaches. Cohl offered to act as a national promoter, risking a huge multimillion-dollar guarantee for the opportunity to make big money. In contrast, Graham wanted to serve as a salaried “tour director,” the position he held during the Stones’ 1981-82 tour, which allowed him to book the tour without cutting the local promoters who dominate each city out of the action.

Early this year both Cohl and Graham sent written offers to the Stones.

Both Graham and Cohl made their way to Barbados to meet with the group in person. Graham spent two fruitless days attempting to convince the Stones and their advisers that what had worked the last time would work again. “Bill Graham was told that the difference between his offer and Cohl’s was ‘tens of millions,’ ” said a source familiar with the Barbados meetings. “Over and over he was told, ‘No matter what you offer, you can’t match Cohl.’ “


This story is from the May 4th, 1989 issue of Rolling Stone.


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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 4, 2020 16:15


Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: JMARCOU ()
Date: July 5, 2020 19:44

LP UK REVERSED SLEEVE
[www.cjoint.com]
[www.cjoint.com]



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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 6, 2020 04:44

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JMARCOU
LP UK REVERSED SLEEVE
[www.cjoint.com]
[www.cjoint.com]

WOW! A great collector's item.

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: July 6, 2020 05:00

Now what in the heck do you figure happened there? Was that on purpose in one country or another, or a mistake? If the latter, how many got done like that?

If that is a mistake, you would think someone would notice it. Yeah, you would think...

jb

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 12, 2020 19:26





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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 13, 2020 05:07





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Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: jbwelda ()
Date: July 13, 2020 07:31

I sent one of those into Jovan and got the poster. Still have it somewhere I think.

jb

Re: Stones 1981-1982 Wardrobes
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: July 14, 2020 03:46




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