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Naturalust
Any backstory as to why this wasn't officially released?
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swimtothemoon
Yes, I wonder what the history is of this effort. Maybe the record company
thought this wasn't commercial enough for release?
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swimtothemoon
Yes, I wonder what the history is of this effort. Maybe the record company
thought this wasn't commercial enough for release?
I think Hairballs response is closer to the mark (thanks Hairball). This was probably a Mick decision, I think record companies quit having a say it what he could or could not release sometime around 1970 or so. Keen marketer that he is and as different of a record as Wandering Spirit is he probably chose not to confuse the buying public's image of him or compete in any way with his more commercial endeavor.
I guess it could have something do do with copyrights or demands of the other performers he didn't want to deal with or conform to as well.
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swimtothemoon
Yes, I wonder what the history is of this effort. Maybe the record company
thought this wasn't commercial enough for release?
I think Hairballs response is closer to the mark (thanks Hairball). This was probably a Mick decision, I think record companies quit having a say it what he could or could not release sometime around 1970 or so. Keen marketer that he is and as different of a record as Wandering Spirit is he probably chose not to confuse the buying public's image of him or compete in any way with his more commercial endeavor.
I guess it could have something do do with copyrights or demands of the other performers he didn't want to deal with or conform to as well.
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swimtothemoon
After all these years it would be great to have
Official release. However, overall sales could be dismal.
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swimtothemoon
Yes, I wonder what the history is of this effort. Maybe the record company
thought this wasn't commercial enough for release?
I think Hairballs response is closer to the mark (thanks Hairball). This was probably a Mick decision, I think record companies quit having a say it what he could or could not release sometime around 1970 or so. Keen marketer that he is and as different of a record as Wandering Spirit is he probably chose not to confuse the buying public's image of him or compete in any way with his more commercial endeavor.
I guess it could have something do do with copyrights or demands of the other performers he didn't want to deal with or conform to as well.
Sounds absolutely plausible, but it could also be that he never intended to release the session (recorded in "old-fashioned" live-in-the-studio way) in the first place, at least not in an album format, apart from using certain tracks as b-sides or similar.
Several different stories made the rounds back in the day - one was that he saw the Red Devils in a club somewhere, that they reminded him of the early Stones, what in turn created his desire to record some old blues standarts with them just for the fun of it, another one was that he had already signed a one-album deal with Atlantic when finally the Stones agreed to do another album and tour and that the Red Devils session was quickly arranged to serve as a contract filler, but declined by Atlantic because of it's obvious lack of commercial potential, demanding a solo album with all-new material instead. Another variation was that the Red Devils session was Rubin's idea to get Mick in the "right mood" for the upcoming "Wandering Spirit" production.
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Hairball
I've been trying to dig up credits regarding the harp playing on this, but so far no luck.
Wondering if Mick played any harp on this, or is it all Les Butler which I would assume.
While Mick's a fine harp player, some of this sounds a bit superior to what he's known for - but not sure.
Anyone have any info.?
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Mathijs
I spoke with Lester Butler at the Paradiso club in Amsterdam. I don't think it was with the Red Devils, but with 13, but I am not quite sure. Must have been 1995 or 1996. Anyway, we told him about the great bootleg with Jagger, and he didn't believe us. He said that Jagger had made sure there where no copies made of the tape, and that Jagger left the studio with the master tapes under his arm. We then bought a couple of the boot CD's accross the street, and gave one to Butler, and he signed our copies. He also said they -including Jagger - didn't really like the material as it was under rehearsed. There apperently was no intention to release the material, but more an intention by Rubin to see if magic would happen when the Red Devils and Jagger would play together.
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Mathijs
I spoke with Lester Butler at the Paradiso club in Amsterdam. I don't think it was with the Red Devils, but with 13, but I am not quite sure. Must have been 1995 or 1996. Anyway, we told him about the great bootleg with Jagger, and he didn't believe us. He said that Jagger had made sure there where no copies made of the tape, and that Jagger left the studio with the master tapes under his arm. We then bought a couple of the boot CD's accross the street, and gave one to Butler, and he signed our copies. He also said they -including Jagger - didn't really like the material as it was under rehearsed. There apperently was no intention to release the material, but more an intention by Rubin to see if magic would happen when the Red Devils and Jagger would play together.
Mathijs
Great story!
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Hairball
I've been trying to dig up credits regarding the harp playing on this, but so far no luck.
Wondering if Mick played any harp on this, or is it all Les Butler which I would assume.
While Mick's a fine harp player, some of this sounds a bit superior to what he's known for - but not sure.
Anyone have any info.?
The harp player is Lester Butler, an absolute wizzard on the 'poor man's piano.'
He was the Devils' vocalist and sadly overdosed in 1998.
If you've never listened to the Red Devils' King King or 13 featuring Lester Butler, you're in for a treat.
Those Jagger/Devils sessions should be released, preferably on vinyl
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Ross
I seem to recall reading back in the day that there was some thought of releasing the material after Wandering Spirit, but it was squelched when Eric Clapton released "From The Cradle". he didn't want to appear to be nicking Eric's idea!
I have no recall of where I read that, so I can't vouch for the credibility, but it sounds reasonable!
I always liked the bootleg!
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Hairball
I assume he felt it wasn't commercial enough as he was still attempting to make it BIG as a solo star which still didn't work (don't hate on me Mick fans).
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Hairball
Nice work proudmary. As I stated, my entire post was just an assumption.
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Back to the Red Devils - w/out Mick.
Here's one of the video's I referred to above, but turns out it's an interview with Les while still with the Red Devils in 1993 at the Pinkpop Festival in the Netherlands.
Red Devils: Lester Butler Pinkpop interview 1993
And here's a video of his very last gig with his band 13 from 1998 in Ospel, Netherlands.
Killer tune and amazing harp.
Lester Butler's last gig ft. 13 (1998)- track1-night
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kammpberg
I'm a huge fan of Jagger solo, but I find the bootleg of Jagger with the Red Devils simply an interesting listen but not one to listen to more than a couple of times. It's certainly not this unbelievable lost tape that many have hyped it as...