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Gimme Shelter wasn't very probing or revealing about the band either.
I don't need or expect Under the Influence to probe Keith;
I'll be totally blissed if he talks about the music he loves,
and if there's footage of him in the studio.
Totally disagree. GIMME SHELTER portrayed a helpless ineffectual Mick Jagger on stage and a startled Jagger listening to Sonny Barger call him an idiot on the radio.
Of course it was a complex film for many reasons, but hardly any of those reasons
had anything to do with the inner workings of the band or its deep true nature.
Showing someone being ineffectual in a situation where everyone was ineffectual
(except the people ready & willing to kill), or someone being taken aback at being called an idiot
isn't what I call deeply insightful. And the editing made it look like the Stones bailed out after Hunter was killed.
Showing them having the balls to stay and play even when they were scared shirtless might have been more revealing.
But I digress. I hope Keith talks a lot about the music in this new one.
Ok, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not claiming that GIMME SHELTER is LA DOLCE VITA or BREATHLESS or anything like that. But as a portrait of its times, in the way it juxtaposed a rock band being on the one hand at the height of its powers, holding audiences in its sway all across American, with on the other hand the sight of that same band desperately vamping and pleading, having lost all control ... well, I thought it had a lot to say about hubris, about people thinking they could control what they clearly could not. While it may not have shown what The Stones were thinking about the events that transpired, it certainly had a perspective that was something other than marketing/pr for the band.
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Gimme Shelter wasn't very probing or revealing about the band either.
I don't need or expect Under the Influence to probe Keith;
I'll be totally blissed if he talks about the music he loves,
and if there's footage of him in the studio.
Totally disagree. GIMME SHELTER portrayed a helpless ineffectual Mick Jagger on stage and a startled Jagger listening to Sonny Barger call him an idiot on the radio.
Of course it was a complex film for many reasons, but hardly any of those reasons
had anything to do with the inner workings of the band or its deep true nature.
Showing someone being ineffectual in a situation where everyone was ineffectual
(except the people ready & willing to kill), or someone being taken aback at being called an idiot
isn't what I call deeply insightful. And the editing made it look like the Stones bailed out after Hunter was killed.
Showing them having the balls to stay and play even when they were scared shirtless might have been more revealing.
But I digress. I hope Keith talks a lot about the music in this new one.
Ok, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not claiming that GIMME SHELTER is LA DOLCE VITA or BREATHLESS or anything like that. But as a portrait of its times, in the way it juxtaposed a rock band being on the one hand at the height of its powers, holding audiences in its sway all across American, with on the other hand the sight of that same band desperately vamping and pleading, having lost all control ... well, I thought it had a lot to say about hubris, about people thinking they could control what they clearly could not. While it may not have shown what The Stones were thinking about the events that transpired, it certainly had a perspective that was something other than marketing/pr for the band.
Gimme Shelter was definitely not at critical view of the band. It was just more critical than other rock movies because by happenstance the filmmakers captured one of the band's worst moments on film and the Maysles (i'm assuming) owned outright the rights to a lot of the footage surrounding events (everything except that in which the Stones appeared).
It's possible the Stones allowed it to be released because it clearly exonerated them from being responsible for the deaths, although as mentioned it clearly indicts them for poor planning, ineffectual crowd control, and an inability to grasp what was happening. The scene where organizers assure people that the concert can go ahead without incident is the placement of blame the film makes that aligns with the Stone's interests.
I think it would have been a terrible idea to show the band continuing to play; while probably the right thing for them to do at the time it would have made them look incredibly insensitive and even more clueless. Indeed, it's possible that the Maysles brothers agreed to leave out parts like this in return for the Stones' cooperation.
To answer the large point, the Maysles were there to make a marketing/PR film about the Stones. They caught Altamont on film, however, and the PR around Altamont was very negative for the Stones, so the filmmakers were in a great bargaining position to be able to put out something other than a normal "rockumentary".
I'm happy that there is nothing so terrible to cover in the Keith documentary and I'm excited to see him visiting Muddy Water's home, etc.
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Hoping our friend and resident Altamont expert swiss, might weigh in on this discussion. She interviewed Mr. Maysles shortly before his death and might be able to provide some insight into the issues you guys are discussing.
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There are also some jams in the studio with all the band. They played SD. Very good version and very strong sound. I love this documentary.
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pepganzo
There are also some jams in the studio with all the band. They played SD. Very good version and very strong sound. I love this documentary.
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Naturalust
Just watched the documentary tonight. Really a good flick, feels like you spent some casual time hanging around Keith. Really good cinematography !!
Excellent shots of the guitars and the faces.
Some of my favorite parts were Pierre's catalog of Keith's guitars, the Street Fighting Man multi tracks soloed, Keith playing that simple but beautiful piano!!, realizing that Sweet Virginia may be my favorite country tune, Buddy Guy asking Keith if he liked corn liquor, Patti walking in and kissing Keith.
Delightful all around, rated it 5 stars of course.
Mick with Muddy at the checkerboard lounge looked better, more genuine and happier that I've ever seen him on stage. Mick THAT'S the vibe and feeling you need to find again with new a Stones music. It's so obvious.
Studio cats will realize that Keith's microphone vocal technique hasn't improved in 50 years, singing into the mic is often an afterthought for him. lol I also though a different less pop more country approach to Trouble would have worked a lot better. They screwed it up when they tried to kick it up, IMO.
Might be the last close look we get of Keith, he's getting old and the miles are showing but I love the guy dearly.
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Just watched the documentary tonight. Really a good flick, feels like you spent some casual time hanging around Keith. Really good cinematography !!
Excellent shots of the guitars and the faces.
Some of my favorite parts were Pierre's catalog of Keith's guitars, the Street Fighting Man multi tracks soloed, Keith playing that simple but beautiful piano!!, realizing that Sweet Virginia may be my favorite country tune, Buddy Guy asking Keith if he liked corn liquor, Patti walking in and kissing Keith.
Delightful all around, rated it 5 stars of course.
Mick with Muddy at the checkerboard lounge looked better, more genuine and happier that I've ever seen him on stage. Mick THAT'S the vibe and feeling you need to find again with new a Stones music. It's so obvious.
Studio cats will realize that Keith's microphone vocal technique hasn't improved in 50 years, singing into the mic is often an afterthought for him. lol I also though a different less pop more country approach to Trouble would have worked a lot better. They screwed it up when they tried to kick it up, IMO.
Might be the last close look we get of Keith, he's getting old and the miles are showing but I love the guy dearly.
Glad you saw it an enjoyed. Your review made me wonder if you have seen the stones' full performance at the checkerboard? If not it is worthwhile (though short). I agree that Mick's performance was exactly right.
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...Fantastic!! Thx -
P.S.: it can only be 'watched', not downloaded... correct?
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tumbled
what I took from it is it is amazing that that French bull dog can sleep through that noise and smoke and why did Patti give Keith the kitty?
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what I took from it is it is amazing that that French bull dog can sleep through that noise and smoke and why did Patti give Keith the kitty?
I thought the same thing about his pup! As for the cat, I'm guessing Keith loves hanging with him, Patti was just obliging.
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what I took from it is it is amazing that that French bull dog can sleep through that noise and smoke and why did Patti give Keith the kitty?
I thought the same thing about his pup! As for the cat, I'm guessing Keith loves hanging with him, Patti was just obliging.
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What did Keith say? "Poor thing, he's nearly as old as me..."