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If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 21, 2015 00:37

Any ideas. I can see it topping the charts for a few weeks but ultimately i just cant see it staying there for too long.. It would have to be outstandingly good.
That would take Mick and Keith working very closely and combining their strengths for one last Hurrah.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Date: July 21, 2015 03:01

Quote
keefriffhards
Any ideas. I can see it topping the charts for a few weeks but ultimately i just cant see it staying there for too long.. It would have to be outstandingly good.
That would take Mick and Keith working very closely and combining their strengths for one last Hurrah.

You're more optimistic than I...In a world/consumerism world, somehow Ariana Donut-Licker, Katy Perry, or the next flash in the pan will keep it from reaching number one. Maybe the top 10, dare I say Top 5, but I sincerely hope I'm wrong!

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: dmay ()
Date: July 21, 2015 04:41

It will sell well if it is titled "Taylor Swift Presents England's Newest Hitmakers, The Rolling Stones". Of course, there will have to be a duet on the album with Lady Gaga (maybe not, her time in the sun has faded) and another with Adam Levine. Maroon 5 will back up Keith on his obligatory song or two with Charlie sitting in as the second drummer. Like on "Abbey Road" by the Beatles with "Her Majesty", there will be a short moment of silence at the end of the record followed by Mick and Keithg leaning into the microphone and crooning together their cover of Bob Seger singing "Today's music ain't got no soul, just give me more of that old time rock'n'roll". Then, the Stones will hasten into the recording studio, record in a matter of days a back to the basics album that kicks a*s like no one believes and have it in the stores, on the radio airwaves, streaming services, whatever, within a month, with folks everywhere buying it and screaming, "This is real fluckin' music, man. These guys are real fluckin' rock'n'roll!!!!" And, thus, the world's greatest rock'n'roll band will hit the road again for another series of tours showing us all how real it can be.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: July 21, 2015 06:49

About the same as the Sticky Fingers reissue, top 5 during the first week and a chart run like this 4-30-60-80-110-140-170-199 or something like that, nowadays digital and streaming are included on the albums chart so no chance to last more than 8-10 weeks without a hit single.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: July 21, 2015 08:54

How will it sell?


Out the back-door of the usual places... brothels...2-star rated rest-rooms...and turpentine camps ...



ROCKMAN

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: July 21, 2015 09:39

Yup, and what can a poor boy do?

2 1 2 0

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: July 21, 2015 11:14

They should sell it like a bootleg, would add special mystique. Ha-ha.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: July 21, 2015 11:17

A new record after 10 years would of course be a chart-topper, no matter how good or bad the album would be. Instant No1 for at least a few weeks. Even without Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus on it.smiling smiley

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: July 21, 2015 11:33

At least one

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: Bluesstone ()
Date: July 21, 2015 12:05

I'm pretty sure it would stay in the Top 10 for at least a month. Especially in many Western European countries as well as the US, there is a huge market of Stones fans, within their generation and younger, who would buy "the new Stones" Album. That doesn't necessarily mean, that it will become a Johnny Cash-like piece of late art that will stand out to their earlier work in an artistic sense, but in a short-term commercial sense it would attract lots of attention and sell respectively.
This will especially hold true, if their switch on their marketing tools at their proposals, both offline and online

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: pepganzo ()
Date: July 21, 2015 12:42

Quote
HMS
A new record after 10 years would of course be a chart-topper, no matter how good or bad the album would be. Instant No1 for at least a few weeks. Even without Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus on it.smiling smiley

+1

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 21, 2015 13:22

Quote
HMS
A new record after 10 years would of course be a chart-topper, no matter how good or bad the album would be. Instant No1 for at least a few weeks. Even without Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus on it.smiling smiley

Arr dude great minds think alike cool smiley

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: paulywaul ()
Date: July 21, 2015 15:16

If the Stones make another record, how will it sell ?

I'll buy it grinning smiley

So that's ONE sale at any rate !! thumbs up

[ I want to shout, but I can't hardly speak ]

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: nightskyman ()
Date: July 21, 2015 15:20

If it sounds anything close to how their sounding on the zip code tour (or like Keith on new 'Trouble' single), then maybe the fans that went to the shows around the world will buy it.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: leatherjacket ()
Date: July 21, 2015 15:23

I'm pretty shure a new stones album will be marketed like the last U2 album through modern download/online channels for free and a couple of weeks later will be offered for sale.The Stones will get a flat fee which will be larger than any money they did with any album so far. They don't need to sell albums the old way.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: stonehearted ()
Date: July 21, 2015 16:52

It wouldn't sell like Some Girls, but the (merged) thread on IORR would be the most viewed and posted thread in several years.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: July 21, 2015 17:07

After that long break between two albums it could easily become their greatest commercial sucess of all times. Media hype and heavy omnipresent promotion would make it a mega-seller. Even Queen Elizabeth would be forced to react.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: sandandglue ()
Date: July 21, 2015 17:58

On CD, LP and as a download. 'Tis the modern way.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 21, 2015 18:04

wow i never new that

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: CloudCat ()
Date: July 21, 2015 18:08

Quote
sandandglue
On CD, LP and as a download. 'Tis the modern way.

on first glance i read "and as a downpour"
i thought wow! that would be absolutely great!

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 21, 2015 18:21

Does it always go this quite on here after a tour.
18 sept can't come quick enough sad smiley

Any one else have a sneaky feeling the glimmer twins just might enter a studio and record, some time soon. Its time i think. Everything is about timing.
How long does it take the stones to record an album these days. Any guesses..
If they started recording before Christmas and continued in the new year would it be possible to finish an album then maybe take it on the road next spring ??

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: July 21, 2015 18:31

I think you all people are living in another world, I said it before: nowadays DIGITAL songs (10 downloads = 1 album sale) and STREAMING (1000 streams = 1 sale) are included on the albums chart, without a hit single it won't last more than a month in the Top 100 since about 50% of the album sales are now points from Tracks and Streams.

We can look at the chart run of Sticky Fingers during the first 4 weeks:
UK: 7-22-46-76
US: 5-31-66-111

And we are talking of an album with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, 2 songs with good points from downloads and streams.

The music industry changed a lot during the last 4 or 5 years and in 2-3 years no one will buy full albums anymore.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 21, 2015 18:39

Quote
georgelicks
I think you all people are living in another world, I said it before: nowadays DIGITAL songs (10 downloads = 1 album sale) and STREAMING (1000 streams = 1 sale) are included on the albums chart, without a hit single it won't last more than a month in the Top 100 since about 50% of the album sales are now points from Tracks and Streams.

We can look at the chart run of Sticky Fingers during the first 4 weeks:
UK: 7-22-46-76
US: 5-31-66-111

And we are talking of an album with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, 2 songs with good points from downloads and streams.

The music industry changed a lot during the last 4 or 5 years and in 2-3 years no one will buy full albums anymore.

Will the Stones not use and include points from downloads and streams also ?

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: July 21, 2015 18:47

how? I'll guess they'll take money for it… ;-)

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: StonesCat ()
Date: July 21, 2015 19:03

If it's the same core Stones, it'll debut close to the top since it doesn't take much anymore to do that, then tumble down the charts. Might get 2 or 3 hundred thousand in the US, don't know about elsewhere. They can't hype it anymore than they've tried for any other release the past twenty years, Taylor would add a few more sales but you won't see a new Stones release sell appreciably better than anything since Steel Wheels. They're just not seen as a current band anymore, and they don't have reunions(other than MT and BW) to fall back on to make it seem like a big deal to casual fans.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: July 21, 2015 19:23

Quote
keefriffhards
Will the Stones not use and include points from downloads and streams also ?

Yes, but TEA Points (Tracks) and SEA Points (Streams) are young and not very much rock oriented formats, current artists benefit from this change in methodology, and for old acts is all about their greatest hits, just look at this week's US chart and all the greatest hits or old albums with popular songs included:

Billboard 200

This Week Last Week Two Weeks Ago Weeks Title, Artist Peak
1 0 Hot Shot Debut 1 #1 1 wk Black Rose, Tyrese 1
2 2 3 38 1989, Taylor Swift 1
3 1 1 3 Dreams Worth More Than Money, Meek Mill 1
4 0 New 1 Kidz Bop 29, Kidz Bop Kids 4
5 4 4 56 x, Ed Sheeran 1
6 0 New 1 Sometime Last Night, R5 6
7 5 8 38 Montevallo, Sam Hunt 3
8 11 12 27 Title, Meghan Trainor 1
9 13 16 23 If You're Reading This It's Too Late, Drake 1
10 10 11 46 V, Maroon 5 1
11 0 New 1 Mobile Orchestra, Owl City 11
12 0 New 1 Coma Ecliptic, Between The Buried And Me 12
13 14 15 57 In The Lonely Hour, Sam Smith 2
14 17 19 26 American Beauty / American Psycho, Fall Out Boy 1
15 18 18 12 JEKYLL + HYDE, Zac Brown Band 1
16 8 10 3 Magic Mike XXL, Soundtrack 8
17 20 22 9 Blurryface, twenty one pilots 1
18 6 5 5 Before This World, James Taylor 1
19 24 26 39 Pain Killer, Little Big Town 7
20 21 28 10 Fight Song (EP), Rachel Platten 20
21 28 30 7 Peace Is The Mission, Major Lazer 12
22 31 34 14 Handwritten, Shawn Mendes 1
23 76 76 373 GG Legend: The Best Of..., Bob Marley And The Wailers 5
24 7 6 4 Dark Before Dawn, Breaking Benjamin 1
25 25 25 31 The Pinkprint, Nicki Minaj 2
26 36 42 24 Reflection, Fifth Harmony 5
27 23 23 23 Fifty Shades Of Grey, Soundtrack 2
28 27 29 33 TALKING IS HARD, WALK THE MOON 14
29 22 24 21 Dark Sky Paradise, Big Sean 1
30 3 2 3 Wildheart, Miguel 2
31 35 36 75 The Outsiders, Eric Church 1
32 30 27 8 AT.LONG.LAST.A$AP, A$AP Rocky 1
33 95 102 365 Journey's Greatest Hits, Journey 10
34 33 35 24 Magazines Or Novels, Andy Grammer 19
35 40 43 41 Hozier, Hozier 2
36 16 14 4 Pageant Material, Kacey Musgraves 3
37 9 7 3 VHS, X Ambassadors 7
38 29 31 21 Skrillex And Diplo Present Jack U, Skrillex & Diplo 26
39 19 17 4 Teen Beach 2, Soundtrack 10
40 37 40 32 2014 Forest Hills Drive, J. Cole 1
41 32 32 18 Furious 7, Soundtrack 1
42 54 56 7 Everything Is 4, Jason Derulo 4
43 51 53 40 Anything Goes, Florida Georgia Line 1
44 34 33 18 To Pimp A Butterfly, Kendrick Lamar 1
45 42 45 11 Wilder Mind, Mumford & Sons 1
46 46 50 51 1000 Forms Of Fear, Sia 1
47 0 New 1 Communion, Years & Years 47
48 47 47 61 Just As I Am, Brantley Gilbert 2
49 182 130 5 PS 2015 Warped Tour Compilation, Various Artists 49
50 26 20 4 Unbreakable Smile, Tori Kelly 2
51 96 127 127 Back To Black, Amy Winehouse 2
52 110 96 18 First Kiss, Kid Rock 2
53 43 38 4 Coming Home, Leon Bridges 6
54 45 52 28 SremmLife, Rae Sremmurd 5
55 50 54 34 Globalization, Pitbull 18
56 79 84 138 The Essential Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson 53
57 38 41 22 Smoke + Mirrors, Imagine Dragons 1
58 44 48 42 Queen Of The Clouds, Tove Lo 14
59 111 122 101 Greatest Hits, Foo Fighters 11
60 156 162 322 Greatest Hits, Guns N' Roses 3

61 62 62 41 Old Boots, New Dirt, Jason Aldean 1
62 52 55 33 Listen, David Guetta 4
63 55 51 49 Trigga, Trey Songz 1
64 88 94 94 Greatest Hits, Fleetwood Mac 14
65 41 44 11 NOW 54, Various Artists 3
66 63 65 47 My Everything, Ariana Grande 1
67 60 61 150 Night Visions, Imagine Dragons 2
68 57 49 7 How Big How Blue How Beautiful, Florence + The Machine 1
69 69 69 101 Crash My Party, Luke Bryan 1
70 58 58 10 Pitch Perfect 2, Soundtrack 1
71 73 81 41 Talking Dreams, Echosmith 38
72 70 68 51 Guardians Of The Galaxy: Awesome Mix Vol. 1, Soundtrack 1
73 49 57 15 My House (EP), Flo Rida 14
74 56 60 42 BRINGING BACK THE SUNSHINE, Blake Shelton 1
75 66 67 27 Uptown Special., Mark Ronson 5
76 67 64 12 Stages, Josh Groban 2
77 64 66 32 Greatest Hits: Decade #1, Carrie Underwood 4
78 98 110 35 FOUR, One Direction 1
79 109 115 187 Back In Black, AC/DC 4
80 74 85 72 Trilogy, The Weeknd 4
81 90 98 181 Born To Die, Lana Del Rey 2
82 75 79 137 Here's To The Good Times, Florida Georgia Line 4
83 65 63 6 NOW That's What I Call Country, Volume 8, Various Artists 22
84 0 Re-Entry 13 1967-1970, The Beatles 29
85 15 13 3 About To Get Real, Easton Corbin 13
86 93 104 48 Vessel, twenty one pilots 58
87 107 117 46 Ignite The Night, Chase Rice 3
88 0 Re-Entry 99 Ultimate Hits, Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band 19
89 0 New 1 Paper Towns, Soundtrack 89
90 72 73 25 Wanted On Voyage, George Ezra 19
91 77 78 153 +, Ed Sheeran 5
92 0 New 1 BEcoming, Stacy Barthe 92
93 100 108 142 good kid, m.A.A.d city, Kendrick Lamar 2
94 78 74 5 The Original High, Adam Lambert 3
95 0 Re-Entry 2 Fifty Big Ones: Greatest Hits, The Beach Boys 95
96 80 91 235 Doo-Wops & Hooligans, Bruno Mars 3
97 105 114 12 Love Stuff, Elle King 45
98 71 70 4 Bronco, Canaan Smith 29
99 91 90 13 Sound & Color, Alabama Shakes 1
100 108 116 92 Nothing Was The Same, Drake 1
101 122 149 5 Some Type Of Love EP, Charlie Puth 101
102 161 105 224 The Eminem Show, Eminem 1
103 83 100 45 Dream Your Life Away, Vance Joy 17
104 116 125 43 The Big Revival, Kenny Chesney 2
105 143 156 118 Red, Taylor Swift 1
106 103 88 7 Django And Jimmie, Willie Nelson / Merle Haggard 7
107 89 93 51 Greatest Hits: We Will Rock You, Queen 42
108 94 103 5 35 Biggest Hits, Tim McGraw 47
109 92 101 72 Cole Swindell, Cole Swindell 3
110 81 77 6 Beneath The Skin, Of Monsters And Men 3
111 0 New 1 Personalidad, Joan Sebastian 111
112 124 136 124 Take Care, Drake 1
113 115 119 117 Save Rock And Roll, Fall Out Boy 1
114 99 107 9 True Colors, Zedd 4
115 84 95 9 The First Time, Kelsea Ballerini 31
116 104 86 8 Touch Down 2 Cause Hell, Boosie BadAzz 3
117 0 Re-Entry 236 Fearless, Taylor Swift 1
118 68 97 250 Curtain Call: The Hits, Eminem 1
119 131 143 230 21, Adele 1
120 165 164 13 Ultimate Sinatra, Frank Sinatra 32
121 126 135 121 Native, OneRepublic 4
122 192 176 29 All-Time Greatest Hits, Neil Diamond 15
123 185 189 203 Greatest Hits, Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers 5

124 127 129 122 Bad, Michael Jackson 1
125 114 123 53 These Things Happen, G-Eazy 3
126 0 Re-Entry 74 Greatest Hits, Shania Twain 2
127 128 142 89 The Marshall Mathers LP 2, Eminem 1
128 0 New 1 Free, Cody Simpson 128
129 181 191 51 5 Seconds Of Summer, 5 Seconds Of Summer 1
130 121 121 19 Spring Break... Checkin' Out, Luke Bryan 3
131 139 148 108 Greatest Hits II, Kenny Chesney 3
132 154 158 206 Mothership, Led Zeppelin 7

133 123 118 92 Master Of Puppets, Metallica 29
134 137 146 121 Based On A True Story ..., Blake Shelton 3
135 136 137 84 Beyonce, Beyonce 1
136 113 – 285 The Foundation, Zac Brown Band 9
137 39 21 3 The Monsanto Years, Neil Young + Promise Of The Real 21
138 61 59 6 Drones, Muse 1
139 130 131 11 Special Effects, Tech N9ne 4
140 85 99 37 Motion, Calvin Harris 5
141 117 112 19 Empire: Original Soundtrack From Season 1, Soundtrack 1
142 0 Re-Entry 34 Nirvana, Nirvana 3
143 0 New 1 Nina Revisited... A Tribute To Nina Simone, Various Artists 143
144 12 9 3 Found In Far Away Places, August Burns Red 9
145 0 Re-Entry 71 Midnight Memories, One Direction 1
146 145 157 90 PRISM, Katy Perry 1
147 150 111 68 Sticky Fingers, The Rolling Stones 1
148 155 163 86 Frozen, Soundtrack 1
149 82 87 103 Greatest Hits, 2Pac 3
150 146 80 36 Greatest Hits So Far..., Zac Brown Band 20
151 140 138 237 Chronicle The 20 Greatest Hits, Creedence Clearwater Revival 22
152 0 Re-Entry 108 Greatest Hits... So Far!!!, P!nk 5

153 149 155 48 Blacc Hollywood, Wiz Khalifa 1
154 173 190 17 Chaos And The Calm, James Bay 15
155 134 140 22 Sex Playlist, Omarion 49
156 147 154 198 Tailgates & Tanlines, Luke Bryan 2
157 200 – 2 Old Dominion (EP), Old Dominion 157
158 125 128 36 Nick Jonas, Nick Jonas 6
159 0 New 1 Ghost Notes, Veruca Salt 159
160 101 106 8 Empires, Hillsong UNITED 5
161 142 144 40 Family, Lynyrd Skynyrd 142
162 169 170 97 AM, Arctic Monkeys 6
163 144 151 20 Piece By Piece, Kelly Clarkson 1
164 0 Re-Entry 15 The Very Best Of Dwight Yoakam, Dwight Yoakam 87
165 135 132 6 Southernality, A Thousand Horses 20
166 186 185 18 The Essential Johnny Cash, Johnny Cash 35
167 0 Re-Entry 22 The Very Best Of Daryl Hall John Oates, Daryl Hall John Oates 34
168 0 Re-Entry 120 ...Hits, Phil Collins 6
169 171 182 129 Unorthodox Jukebox, Bruno Mars 1
170 132 133 220 Teenage Dream, Katy Perry 1
171 133 153 17 Kidz Bop 28, Kidz Bop Kids 10
172 0 Re-Entry 109 American Idiot, Green Day 1
173 180 188 76 The Wrong Side Of Heaven...Volume 1, Five Finger Death Punch 2
174 0 Re-Entry 90 MTV Unplugged In New York, Nirvana 1
175 160 150 24 NOW 53, Various Artists 2
176 0 Re-Entry 107 Devil Without A Cause, Kid Rock 4
177 118 120 16 The Album About Nothing, Wale 1
178 157 141 90 ...And Justice For All, Metallica 6
179 0 New 1 In Another Life, Bilal 179
180 177 174 153 Chief, Eric Church 1
181 0 Re-Entry 5 #1 To Infinity, Mariah Carey 29
182 158 165 43 Sundown Heaven Town, Tim McGraw 3
183 0 Re-Entry 161 Red River Blue, Blake Shelton 1
184 0 Re-Entry 92 Pure Heroine, Lorde 3
185 0 Re-Entry 21 The Very Best Of Travis Tritt, Travis Tritt 124
186 0 Re-Entry 31 747, Lady Antebellum 2
187 191 – 197 Recovery, Eminem 1
188 193 – 8 The Hits, Billy Joel 34
189 0 Re-Entry 148 The Very Best Of The Eagles, Eagles 3

190 0 Re-Entry 129 Speak Now, Taylor Swift 1
191 0 Re-Entry 33 Greatest Hits, Neil Young 27
192 190 – 53 Aerosmith's Greatest Hits, Aerosmith 43

193 176 183 59 Platinum, Miranda Lambert 1
194 175 178 24 Full Speed, Kid Ink 14
195 194 197 259 Hot Rocks 1964-1971, The Rolling Stones 4
196 0 New 1 Hammer Of The Witches, Cradle Of Filth 196
197 0 Re-Entry 170 Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975, Eagles 1
198 184 196 81 Because The Internet, Childish Gambino 7
199 0 Re-Entry 61 Talk Dirty, Jason Derulo 4
200 178 180 70 Riser, Dierks Bentley 6


Just look at Neil Young for example, by next week his Greatest Hits album will be outselling his last studio album.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: July 21, 2015 20:01

I am such a dinosaur i had no idea.
No wonder rock bands don't fair well anymore !!

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: laertisflash ()
Date: July 21, 2015 20:33

If the Stones make another record...

Hmmm... I expect something similar to ABB 's application. Speaking about the Global Chart, ABB was #1 during two weeks and, if I remember correctly, spent 5 weeks on Top-10 of the particular Chart.

Speaking about units sold, honestly, I have not idea! Album sales have been reduced dramatically. Who knows, in 2016 perhaps one million copies sold, worldwide, is number that "gives" an entire week on #1 of the Global Chart...

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: July 21, 2015 20:53

I imagine if it is good it will sell well and it it sucks it won't. I know the Stones have a base of fans that will buy anything they put out, that probably includes most of us here but it's a fair assumption that sales will reflect the quality of the music.....although looking at the numbers above I'm not so sure even that's the case anymore.

Re: If the Stones make another record, how will it sell
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: July 21, 2015 21:02

Quote
Naturalust
I imagine if it is good it will sell well and it it sucks it won't. I know the Stones have a base of fans that will buy anything they put out, that probably includes most of us here but it's a fair assumption that sales will reflect the quality of the music.....although looking at the numbers above I'm not so sure even that's the case anymore.

In 2015, only 1 album has sold more than a million copies worldwide: Taylor Swift's 1989 (and that one is from last year)
Only 10 or 15 albums are over 500,000 copies worldwide this year, Sticky Fingers is close to 200k and will end up with about 275-300k this year.

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