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DoomandGloom
It is a lousy job.
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To try and slyly impart that he's such a laid back rock'n'roll supercool that he can't remember his own work (Guns & Roses fell for that saying "You can't remember Salt of the Earth!!!!!!! - hell you guys wrote it!!!!!!!!(and it's so cool that you are SOOOOOOOOO great that you can't remember it"...
........and allay the notion that he is a meticulous for detail control freak who remembers everything better than Bill Wyman even without the photos and memrobilia as aide memoirs........ did you see his sessions tape room in 'Being Mick', he's more organised than a bird of paradise - and if he wasn't - imo - the Stones would have folded 40 years ago........Like Mick once said. he wishes he "was more like Keith" who - well, who knows what he can or can't genuinley remember............that might be a brilliant card trick in it's own right.........
And Keith believed GHS came after SF...
You lost me with that one.......
He said that in that radio interview prior to the Zip Code Tour. The interviewer had to correct him.
So it's not only Mick...
Do you mean SG then?....'cos of course GHS did come after SF.....
Not RIGHT after
Sorry for being unclear..
long, long days and hours... I love the outdoors and enjoy my early retirement in the country. Back to topic,Mick really tries to not be a big headed star. Sometimes he tries too hard and we see through it like in this history stuff. Still it comes from a very warm place. You can hear his real warmth best on SF which for me is a very sincere performance. He's run a band for 40 years, tough job that inevitably makes foes. Judging from his sidemen Wood included, he is loyal to a faultQuote
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DoomandGloom
It is a lousy job.
Meeting and working with famous musicians? Helping to create beautiful, memorable music? What a lucky man you are, DG. But, I'm sure it must not have like that many times in the moment.
As for Mick, I have to think he sometimes says things to avoid a conversation he doesn't want to have. Not unlike most of us.
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Stoneage
I guess it's partly an act and partly vanity. He doesn't like to be remembered of old times because that reminds him of his own age. Which he doesn't like to think about.
The booing in Pittsburgh must have come as a bit of a shock to him though. I don't think he will resume this "anybody from x-town here?" routine for a while. Untile it's safe anyway...
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Sweet neo con
what did he say in pittsburgh that got boos?
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drbryant
I don't know. George Harrison could never remember what Beatles album a song was on, in the Anthology he says that "Golden Slumbers" is on Let it Be.
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rbk
"Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?"
It's a schtick. An old schtick that got tired long ago.
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Rockman
Certain songs were worked on over period of time which
would tend to blur the lines between albums ... and then ya
chuck in a lil' show -biz and you have Mick's comments .....
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rbk
"Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?"
It's a schtick. An old schtick that got tired long ago.
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MKjan
Well, I think Mick has always been forward thinking and doesn't visit the past that much.
However, I don't think he has forgotten the past at all. He knows. I'd guess this is his own private humor at work.
Probably the way he has endured fame and got tired of all the same questions, I think he entertains himself pretty well with this stuff. Of course set lists are from the past….but the songs are timeless.
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MKjan
Well, I think Mick has always been forward thinking and doesn't visit the past that much.
However, I don't think he has forgotten the past at all. He knows. I'd guess this is his own private humor at work.
Probably the way he has endured fame and got tired of all the same questions, I think he entertains himself pretty well with this stuff. Of course set lists are from the past….but the songs are timeless.
this is pretty much it. he thinks its cool to not be so into the past, as say Bill or Keith. Mick likes to sound current and is a bit dismiss-if of the past. and yes he of course has not forgot the past or what album which songs were on.
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Tokyo 1995.. Mick says that Live with me is from Exile !
Exactly, and how intriguing that he deliberately offered the audience this piece of misinformation.
It does no harm, but it achieves very little either.
Do other performers do something similar onstage?
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It's just Mick being contrary for contrary's sake. Like what Paul McCartney says below:
PAUL MCCARTNEY: "I remember turning Mick Jagger onto it [SHE SAID YEAH]...There were two songs I turned Mick onto that the Stones have done. One was SHE SAID YEAH and the other was AIN'T TOO PROUD TO BEG. Mick would deny it—'Wot? Never saw him, never met him'—but I distinctly remember having him up into a little music room and playing it to him. He loved it and he went and did it."
(from >>> [abbeyrd.best.vwh.net] )
Mick's mum said that when he was about five Mick walked down a beach and knocked over the other boys' sand castles. Contrary for contrary's sake. (I read this in some Stones book.)
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I play in an amateur band. I hardly ever listen to our records, once they are released. We listen to them a lot during the mixing and the mastering, then maybe a few times after the release. Then you'll hear all those little mistakes, you get the idea that it all could have been much better, if only...
Then you move on.
Save for a few songs, I couldn't tell which song is on which record. And we have recorded only four or five. Heck, there are songs we recorded in 2003 and 2005 that I don't even remember. I read the title on the cover and can't even hum the tune...
From talking to other musicians I get the impression that it's the same with them. Once a record is recorded and released, you move on.
The record itself is much more important to the fans than it is to the musicians.
Playing in an amateur band is different than playing in The Stones though. They've made some of the greatest rock albums ever, and they aren't forgotten by anybody. They toured for them, have answered questions about them in interviews, remastered/reissued them countless times, made documentaries about them, etc. Unlike an amateur band, or even some professional bands, the Stones have a legacy. And Mick, being a good frontman and businessman, is well aware of it. Mick the frontman has to act like he doesn't care though, can't appear to be the organized/calculated entertainer he truly is.
It's similar to Keith's act. Like when he pretends to not know where he is, or that he only figured it out by the sound of the crowd. You know it's bullshit, but it's funny to think they just sort of wheeled Keith on stage out of a drunken stupor and he went through half the show playing and not even knowing what city he was in, until he was introduced and he used some 6th sense he developed over decades of touring to listen to the crowd and go.... oh this is Cleveland. On that same note, Mick's character is that of a rock star so huge he can't even remember all the hit songs he's written or landmark albums he's recorded, that's just another day at the office, and he's always moving on to the next new thing. But if you come to his party he'll still sing the old songs for you, if he can remember them. SO many hits after all, he's Mick @#$%& Jagger.
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and i think Mick thinks he is much funnier and clever than he really is. acting indifferent or unknowledgeable about Stones discography etc... is not as much about being immodest (imho) but just schtick....and not wanting to show that in actuality he DOES know absolutely every detail. wants to appear nonchalant.
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MKjan
Well, I think Mick has always been forward thinking and doesn't visit the past that much.
However, I don't think he has forgotten the past at all. He knows. I'd guess this is his own private humor at work.
Probably the way he has endured fame and got tired of all the same questions, I think he entertains himself pretty well with this stuff. Of course set lists are from the past….but the songs are timeless.