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Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 24, 2015 15:05

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Perhaps what record the songs are on just isn't as important to Mick as we think. Not only were there lots of overlap but unless he has recently mixed a re-issue of actually listened to one of his old records all the way through it seems perfectly understandable to me. They were made many years ago after all. Although he did have an air of "too cool to care" starting around Exile and evidenced in one of the interview scenes in CS Blues.

I'll bet he could tell you which records made him the most money and other more business related aspects of their career pretty accurately.

VOODOO, (US #2) had it been a #1 LP in the US he'd be hyping the hell out of it. It sold the most out of the recent LPs dating back to STEEL WHEELS, which had similar sales (2 million plus). Had BRIDGES (US #3) hit #1 and had sold more.

The last 4 LPs have all been in the Top 5 for Billboard's Top 200 LP charts. But none have been #1. And that's a deal breaker for their place in history. Money wise, ha ha, yes indeed... "Those albums sold very well".

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: MKjan ()
Date: June 24, 2015 22:43

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Well, I think Mick has always been forward thinking and doesn't visit the past that much.
However, I don't think he has forgotten the past at all. He knows. I'd guess this is his own private humor at work.
Probably the way he has endured fame and got tired of all the same questions, I think he entertains himself pretty well with this stuff. Of course set lists are from the past….but the songs are timeless.

I saw an interview with Jagger once when he was asked if the reason he didn't write his bio was because he couldn't remember much. The interviewer said that's what everyone says. Jagger said he remembers everything and has no problem with that at all.


I think he acts like he doesn't know which albums because he never wants to be seen as someone who pays attention to what the Stones did 40 years ago or takes the whole thing seriously. Its another way to hide behind something. I love his attitude about that, my favorite celeb ever. Doesn't take himself too seriously and hides himself. I love it that he usually refuses to be straight forward about everything. he never made a bore of himself by constantly taking about everything that ever happened to him and the Stones.

Agreed.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: lem motlow ()
Date: June 25, 2015 20:47

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It's just Mick being contrary for contrary's sake. Like what Paul McCartney says below:

PAUL MCCARTNEY: "I remember turning Mick Jagger onto it [SHE SAID YEAH]...There were two songs I turned Mick onto that the Stones have done. One was SHE SAID YEAH and the other was AIN'T TOO PROUD TO BEG. Mick would deny it—'Wot? Never saw him, never met him'—but I distinctly remember having him up into a little music room and playing it to him. He loved it and he went and did it."
(from >>> [abbeyrd.best.vwh.net] )


that's just weirdo pauls jagger obsession catching up to him again.she said yeah had been around since 1959 and its almost impossible that a band like the stones wouldnt know everything done by larry williams.

aint too proud to beg came out in may of 1966-every stones record to that point had motown covers all over them so to think paulie had to take mick" up to a little music room and play" the new temptations hit is just more bizarro mccartney talk.

awhile back he said he turned mick onto to marijuana-a seemingly suprised jagger said "no,thats not true"

the funniest goofy paul statement about the stones was when was asked about the stones coming back in 2012 he said "well i think they see what we're doing out here and making money and want to be apart of it"-

blank friggin stare-i guess nobody told macca about the stones on the road for the last..oh i dont know,40 years.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: duke richardson ()
Date: June 25, 2015 20:59

good thing he decided to give up weed.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: June 25, 2015 21:08

Again, besides the fact that it has become a "schtick", it's vanity. He doesn't want to be reminded of the past because that reminds him how old he is. It's basically the Peter Pan thing.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: buttons67 ()
Date: June 26, 2015 00:41

the irony of mick jagger pretending not to know the past is incredible when you consider the set lists the stones always have.

ever since around 1974 and excluding the 1981-82 tour, chronologically the setlists have always reached the halfway point around 1971, with very few exeptions.

so for over 40 years almost every gig has had half of it played with songs 1971 or earlier.

so not really getting what jaggers on about.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: June 26, 2015 00:58

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It's just Mick being contrary for contrary's sake. Like what Paul McCartney says below:

PAUL MCCARTNEY: "I remember turning Mick Jagger onto it [SHE SAID YEAH]...There were two songs I turned Mick onto that the Stones have done. One was SHE SAID YEAH and the other was AIN'T TOO PROUD TO BEG. Mick would deny it—'Wot? Never saw him, never met him'—but I distinctly remember having him up into a little music room and playing it to him. He loved it and he went and did it."
(from >>> [abbeyrd.best.vwh.net] )


that's just weirdo pauls jagger obsession catching up to him again.she said yeah had been around since 1959 and its almost impossible that a band like the stones wouldnt know everything done by larry williams.

aint too proud to beg came out in may of 1966-every stones record to that point had motown covers all over them so to think paulie had to take mick" up to a little music room and play" the new temptations hit is just more bizarro mccartney talk.

awhile back he said he turned mick onto to marijuana-a seemingly suprised jagger said "no,thats not true"

the funniest goofy paul statement about the stones was when was asked about the stones coming back in 2012 he said "well i think they see what we're doing out here and making money and want to be apart of it"-

blank friggin stare-i guess nobody told macca about the stones on the road for the last..oh i dont know,40 years.

LOL. The comment about the Stones touring because of the money Macca was making on the road is indeed hilarious.

However I do think the possibility of him recommending ATPTB to Jagger more likely. Not that Mick wouldn't have found it on his own but perhaps Macca did actually play it for him first. Certainly good new music was a passion for them both and sharing it would have been normal behavior.

btw: Where are you getting the quotes about the marijuana and the subsequent denial by Mick from? Curious. Thanks.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 26, 2015 01:18

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the irony of mick jagger pretending not to know the past is incredible when you consider the set lists the stones always have.

ever since around 1974 and excluding the 1981-82 tour, chronologically the setlists have always reached the halfway point around 1971, with very few exeptions.

so for over 40 years almost every gig has had half of it played with songs 1971 or earlier.

so not really getting what jaggers on about.

Holy crap, you're right. Tumbling Dice, Happy, maybe Angie or the odd mid-70s track, Miss You and Start Me Up... not many post 1971 songs.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: Turner68 ()
Date: June 26, 2015 02:29

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buttons67
the irony of mick jagger pretending not to know the past is incredible when you consider the set lists the stones always have.

ever since around 1974 and excluding the 1981-82 tour, chronologically the setlists have always reached the halfway point around 1971, with very few exeptions.

so for over 40 years almost every gig has had half of it played with songs 1971 or earlier.

so not really getting what jaggers on about.

Holy crap, you're right. Tumbling Dice, Happy, maybe Angie or the odd mid-70s track, Miss You and Start Me Up... not many post 1971 songs.

doom and gloom is the only song post 1978 (if you go by when the songs were recorded.)

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: June 26, 2015 03:10

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doom and gloom is the only song post 1978 (if you go by when the songs were recorded.)

They didn't finish recording 'Start Me Up' until July 1981:

[www.timeisonourside.com]

'Can't Be Seen', 'Slipping Away', 'You Got Me Rocking' and 'Out Of Control' are also all songs recorded post-1978 and have all been played live within the last twelve months.

.....

Olly.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: Turner68 ()
Date: June 26, 2015 03:43

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doom and gloom is the only song post 1978 (if you go by when the songs were recorded.)

They didn't finish recording 'Start Me Up' until July 1981:

[www.timeisonourside.com]

'Can't Be Seen', 'Slipping Away', 'You Got Me Rocking' and 'Out Of Control' are also all songs recorded post-1978 and have all been played live within the last twelve months.

these are the exceptions that prove the rule.

it's a shame keith is not tinkering with his set list more. he usually could be relied up on to mix it up a bit more.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: 2120Wolf ()
Date: June 26, 2015 03:45

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I play in an amateur band. I hardly ever listen to our records, once they are released. We listen to them a lot during the mixing and the mastering, then maybe a few times after the release. Then you'll hear all those little mistakes, you get the idea that it all could have been much better, if only...
Then you move on.

Save for a few songs, I couldn't tell which song is on which record. And we have recorded only four or five. Heck, there are songs we recorded in 2003 and 2005 that I don't even remember. I read the title on the cover and can't even hum the tune...

From talking to other musicians I get the impression that it's the same with them. Once a record is recorded and released, you move on.

The record itself is much more important to the fans than it is to the musicians.

Playing in an amateur band is different than playing in The Stones though. They've made some of the greatest rock albums ever, and they aren't forgotten by anybody. They toured for them, have answered questions about them in interviews, remastered/reissued them countless times, made documentaries about them, etc. Unlike an amateur band, or even some professional bands, the Stones have a legacy. And Mick, being a good frontman and businessman, is well aware of it. Mick the frontman has to act like he doesn't care though, can't appear to be the organized/calculated entertainer he truly is.

It's similar to Keith's act. Like when he pretends to not know where he is, or that he only figured it out by the sound of the crowd. You know it's bullshit, but it's funny to think they just sort of wheeled Keith on stage out of a drunken stupor and he went through half the show playing and not even knowing what city he was in, until he was introduced and he used some 6th sense he developed over decades of touring to listen to the crowd and go.... oh this is Cleveland. On that same note, Mick's character is that of a rock star so huge he can't even remember all the hit songs he's written or landmark albums he's recorded, that's just another day at the office, and he's always moving on to the next new thing. But if you come to his party he'll still sing the old songs for you, if he can remember them. SO many hits after all, he's Mick @#$%& Jagger.

Playing in an amateur band or working in a gas station keeping logs. Most people do not have the time or memory to chronicle everything they do, even if it is etched in Stone...It is like trying to remember every chick you slept with and where and what you said or did to get in....Early on it is easy but once past 40 the details get a little tricky and past 50 heading to 60 whoaaa...I have a great memory for detail but after awhile it is like a job keeping track even with recorded documents...I shoot out songs at a rapid pace, I dont even bother to record them anymore...I am satisfied with them floating out there in the universe, I will catch up with them in another life...it is the same as a breath, in and out and gone...I bet he could tell you how much money he has though because that is what really counts...Mick does not care what album "No Expectations" is on as much as you do....



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Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: Olly ()
Date: June 26, 2015 03:53

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it's a shame keith is not tinkering with his set list more. he usually could be relied up on to mix it up a bit more.

I agree.

'The Worst' was played at times during the Licks and A Bigger Bang tours, and would have worked similarly to 'You Got The Silver' (used in 2013 and 2014) to open Keith's set.

I think 'Wanna Hold You' is more than capable of holding it's place in alteration with 'Before They Make Me Run.'

What genuinley surprised me was hearing 'Can't Be Seen' in 2014.

No need for it to be seen or heard at all, come to think of it...

.....

Olly.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: June 26, 2015 03:56

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I play in an amateur band. I hardly ever listen to our records, once they are released. We listen to them a lot during the mixing and the mastering, then maybe a few times after the release. Then you'll hear all those little mistakes, you get the idea that it all could have been much better, if only...
Then you move on.

Save for a few songs, I couldn't tell which song is on which record. And we have recorded only four or five. Heck, there are songs we recorded in 2003 and 2005 that I don't even remember. I read the title on the cover and can't even hum the tune...

From talking to other musicians I get the impression that it's the same with them. Once a record is recorded and released, you move on.

The record itself is much more important to the fans than it is to the musicians.

Playing in an amateur band is different than playing in The Stones though. They've made some of the greatest rock albums ever, and they aren't forgotten by anybody. They toured for them, have answered questions about them in interviews, remastered/reissued them countless times, made documentaries about them, etc. Unlike an amateur band, or even some professional bands, the Stones have a legacy. And Mick, being a good frontman and businessman, is well aware of it. Mick the frontman has to act like he doesn't care though, can't appear to be the organized/calculated entertainer he truly is.

It's similar to Keith's act. Like when he pretends to not know where he is, or that he only figured it out by the sound of the crowd. You know it's bullshit, but it's funny to think they just sort of wheeled Keith on stage out of a drunken stupor and he went through half the show playing and not even knowing what city he was in, until he was introduced and he used some 6th sense he developed over decades of touring to listen to the crowd and go.... oh this is Cleveland. On that same note, Mick's character is that of a rock star so huge he can't even remember all the hit songs he's written or landmark albums he's recorded, that's just another day at the office, and he's always moving on to the next new thing. But if you come to his party he'll still sing the old songs for you, if he can remember them. SO many hits after all, he's Mick @#$%& Jagger.

Playing in an amateur band or working in a gas station keeping logs. Most people do not have the time or memory to chronicle everything they do, even if it is etched in Stone...It is like trying to remember every chick you slept with and where and what you said or did to get in....Early on it is easy but once past 40 the details get a little tricky and past 50 heading to 60 whoaaa...I have a great memory for detail but after awhile it is like a job keeping track even with recorded documents...I shoot out songs at a rapid pace, I dont even bother to record them anymore...I am satisfied with them floating out there in the universe, I will catch up with them in another life...it is the same as a breath, in and out and gone...

That's some deep philosophic statement there, Wolf. I tend to think that once something has been done, it quickly recedes from Mick's memory. Some people easily store dates of events in their heads, others remember people and the actual events, but not exactly when they happened. I think it's a gift for Mick to be able to move forward and not look back to closely.

Re: Why does Mick sometimes appear ignorant of the band's recording chronology on stage?
Posted by: 2120Wolf ()
Date: June 26, 2015 04:08

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Papo
I play in an amateur band. I hardly ever listen to our records, once they are released. We listen to them a lot during the mixing and the mastering, then maybe a few times after the release. Then you'll hear all those little mistakes, you get the idea that it all could have been much better, if only...
Then you move on.

Save for a few songs, I couldn't tell which song is on which record. And we have recorded only four or five. Heck, there are songs we recorded in 2003 and 2005 that I don't even remember. I read the title on the cover and can't even hum the tune...

From talking to other musicians I get the impression that it's the same with them. Once a record is recorded and released, you move on.

The record itself is much more important to the fans than it is to the musicians.

Playing in an amateur band is different than playing in The Stones though. They've made some of the greatest rock albums ever, and they aren't forgotten by anybody. They toured for them, have answered questions about them in interviews, remastered/reissued them countless times, made documentaries about them, etc. Unlike an amateur band, or even some professional bands, the Stones have a legacy. And Mick, being a good frontman and businessman, is well aware of it. Mick the frontman has to act like he doesn't care though, can't appear to be the organized/calculated entertainer he truly is.

It's similar to Keith's act. Like when he pretends to not know where he is, or that he only figured it out by the sound of the crowd. You know it's bullshit, but it's funny to think they just sort of wheeled Keith on stage out of a drunken stupor and he went through half the show playing and not even knowing what city he was in, until he was introduced and he used some 6th sense he developed over decades of touring to listen to the crowd and go.... oh this is Cleveland. On that same note, Mick's character is that of a rock star so huge he can't even remember all the hit songs he's written or landmark albums he's recorded, that's just another day at the office, and he's always moving on to the next new thing. But if you come to his party he'll still sing the old songs for you, if he can remember them. SO many hits after all, he's Mick @#$%& Jagger.

Playing in an amateur band or working in a gas station keeping logs. Most people do not have the time or memory to chronicle everything they do, even if it is etched in Stone...It is like trying to remember every chick you slept with and where and what you said or did to get in....Early on it is easy but once past 40 the details get a little tricky and past 50 heading to 60 whoaaa...I have a great memory for detail but after awhile it is like a job keeping track even with recorded documents...I shoot out songs at a rapid pace, I dont even bother to record them anymore...I am satisfied with them floating out there in the universe, I will catch up with them in another life...it is the same as a breath, in and out and gone...

That's some deep philosophic statement there, Wolf. I tend to think that once something has been done, it quickly recedes from Mick's memory. Some people easily store dates of events in their heads, others remember people and the actual events, but not exactly when they happened. I think it's a gift for Mick to be able to move forward and not look back to closely.
No Doubt Bloomer......Gotta Keep it Rolling !!!



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