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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
I think Keith would probably like the tune.Probably rip a decent version of it on piano if he wanted.
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
If I should guess, this might have something to do with unnecessary downgrading comments of Keith fans, while praising Mick.
It's ok, LongBeachArena72, no one will attack you for enjoying Mick's cameo on Henley's record. I even like some Henley ballads with the Eagles myself.
It's unforgivable that you don't like any of the Crosseyed Heart songs, but that's another matter
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
If I should guess, this might have something to do with unnecessary downgrading comments of Keith fans, while praising Mick.
It's ok, LongBeachArena72, no one will attack you for enjoying Mick's cameo on Henley's record. I even like some Henley ballads with the Eagles myself.
It's unforgivable that you don't like any of the Crosseyed Heart songs, but that's another matter
I like "Goodnight Irene" a lot--lovely version.
"Just a Gift" is my favorite of the originals.
Is there an echo of "Sweethearts Together" in the chorus of "Heartstopper"?
I don't have anything against Keith's record at all. I make fun of what I see as the over-the-top defensiveness of people who in the process of defending Keith want to minimize Mick's contributions to the band.
There are some nice grooves and cool instrumentation all over the record. It's just ultimately a it of a snooze-rest for me. Glad people are digging it ... though I must admit I'm getting some good giggles out of the occasional comparisons to EOMS, SF, etc.
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Giggle as you may this album is gong to win awards, plus remember longbeach EOMS had a shaky start.
I myself grew to love it but not straight away
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
I dont want to fall out with you NL
But what you just said sums up the whole problem with the Stones making a new album
Mick comes to the recording sessions with his songs almost complete
We want a collaboration this time, not 2 halves
This is where their genius lies, working together
And as for me wanting a Mick v Keith camp, keiths camp has had a gut full of your negativity towards keith, but like me, you can be won over
I have seen the change in your posts lately, you really seem to be respecting Keiths efforts
I want to respect Micks efforts but its been hard with all this creative inactivity
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
I dont want to fall out with you NL
But what you just said sums up the whole problem with the Stones making a new album
Mick comes to the recording sessions with his songs almost complete
We want a collaboration this time, not 2 halves
This is where their genius lies, working together
And as for me wanting a Mick v Keith camp, keiths camp has had a gut full of your negativity towards keith, but like me, you can be won over
I have seen the change in your posts lately, you really seem to be respecting Keiths efforts
I want to respect Micks efforts but its been hard with all this creative inactivity
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
I dont want to fall out with you NL
But what you just said sums up the whole problem with the Stones making a new album
Mick comes to the recording sessions with his songs almost complete
We want a collaboration this time, not 2 halves
This is where their genius lies, working together
And as for me wanting a Mick v Keith camp, keiths camp has had a gut full of your negativity towards keith, but like me, you can be won over
I have seen the change in your posts lately, you really seem to be respecting Keiths efforts
I want to respect Micks efforts but its been hard with all this creative inactivity
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious
As much as you seem to want it to be a Keith vs. Mick thing riffhards it just isn't, imo. People can love or hate this record without a single thought about Mick. Mick has told us he has been writing songs and making great demos (his words) so I doubt the creative impulse is gone from the Man. He has guested on records and probably done as much or more recording as Keith in the years since ABB.
Besides, the SA Stones tour is forthcoming, they have all agreed a new Stones record is their intention what more do you want? Mick is probably remaining silent since he is just respecting Keith's moment in the limelight, doesn't want to detract from it with talk of his projects, Stones or otherwise.
I dont want to fall out with you NL
But what you just said sums up the whole problem with the Stones making a new album
Mick comes to the recording sessions with his songs almost complete
We want a collaboration this time, not 2 halves
This is where their genius lies, working together
And as for me wanting a Mick v Keith camp, keiths camp has had a gut full of your negativity towards keith, but like me, you can be won over
I have seen the change in your posts lately, you really seem to be respecting Keiths efforts
I want to respect Micks efforts but its been hard with all this creative inactivity
I think you just might be misinterpreting my balance toward Mick AND Keith concerning things like songwriting as negativity toward Keith. I'm not in Mick's camp or Keith's camp, have mostly rejected the entire concept of "camps", don't believe either one is as great as the sum of their parts. During WWW3 I might have got caught up in the whole divisive thing and leaned slightly towards Keith's point of view, might have even felt a bit of those feelings again while reading Life, but negativity towards Keith is a stretch.
Pretty easy to see your negativity toward Mick though, you've been pretty open about it. Perhaps you are projecting that my positive comments concerning Mick necessarily imply a negativity toward Keith. They don't. I may be just trying to balance the scales a bit. I will reiterate that I think Mick has done as much creative output as Keith, perhaps even more.
In terms of songwriting, I'm not sure how they work together these days. I'd guess they've tried to resurrect the old partnership and methods but obviously haven't been as successful as the past. I could speculate on the reasons why, have done so in the past, but generally think it's just a result of them both maturing as individual songwriters and men and there really is no going back to the old days....and neither has come up with as great of songs as they once did. But, I think there were plenty of songs back in the day that Mick brought to the table more complete than you may give him credit for and that he worked hard on Keith's incomplete sketches to develop them. Keith has talked about that recently, saying he would throw out ideas ad leave them to Mick to turn into songs while he went searching for the next idea. They have probably continued to try to work like that and without knowing more it's hard to say if it's Mick's fault for not putting enough effort into making Keith's ideas better or Keith fault for not having better ideas.
Let's hope they come together for one last collaborative effort which produces magical music that put all these arguments to rest.
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Thanks riffhards, no I don't ever plan on writing a book on the Stones. I get most of my information from here and on EOMS and the Stones books I've read. I do obviously enjoy discourse with other Stones fans, including yourself. Some great and interesting ideas get tossed around and that's what floats my boat here.
As I said, my discussions concerning Mick's contributions to the Stones are genuine and possibly just trying to balance the scales a bit amid all this Keith worship. I love them both for different reasons but have always been surprised to find out how much work Mick has done to make the Stones songs what they are; not just lyrically and vocally, but with fully formed songs, musical ideas and arrangements. I think some people would also be surprised to learn how great a musician Mick is, it tends to get lost in his role as a singer and front man.
That being said, I also think Mick's musical tastes and sensibilities have drifted away from the more pure rock and blues many of us love so much about Stones music, while Keith's have stayed a bit closer. To be genuine as a songwriter and creator it seems you have to please yourself first and I think what pleases Mick these days is just probably different than what pleases you or me. That is bound to effect the way he and Keith approach new Stones music, they are probably farther apart in their musical tastes as they have ever been. For example, can a guy who loves Beyonce and Madonna truly take a Keith idea and develop it into something all of us love? Perhaps he can, he certainly has in the past, let's hope he can again.
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
Don't know about that, Dandie. In general, I prefer the singing voices of Miranda Lambert, Mick Jagger, and Don Henley to Keith Richards' voice. I wouldn't presume to judge whether Tift Merritt's song is better than Keith's songs. I just know that I like it better.
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
Don't know about that, Dandie. In general, I prefer the singing voices of Miranda Lambert, Mick Jagger, and Don Henley to Keith Richards' voice. I wouldn't presume to judge whether Tift Merritt's song is better than Keith's songs. I just know that I like it better.
The day I prefer Henley's voice to Keith's I'll definitely find a new favourite band
Imagine Henley's You Got The Silver, Happy, Before They Make me Run, Little T+A, Memory Motel, Coming Down Again...
Ouch, no I will stop this now...
PS: And this is coming from one who actually likes some of the stuff from The Eagles
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
Don't know about that, Dandie. In general, I prefer the singing voices of Miranda Lambert, Mick Jagger, and Don Henley to Keith Richards' voice. I wouldn't presume to judge whether Tift Merritt's song is better than Keith's songs. I just know that I like it better.
The day I prefer Henley's voice to Keith's I'll definitely find a new favourite band
Imagine Henley's You Got The Silver, Happy, Before They Make me Run, Little T+A, Memory Motel, Coming Down Again...
Ouch, no I will stop this now...
PS: And this is coming from one who actually likes some of the stuff from The Eagles
Without commenting on who's voice I like better, I do actually think Henley is a better singer than Keith, technically speaking. I will say I like Jagger better than either of them, by a long shot.
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
Don't know about that, Dandie. In general, I prefer the singing voices of Miranda Lambert, Mick Jagger, and Don Henley to Keith Richards' voice. I wouldn't presume to judge whether Tift Merritt's song is better than Keith's songs. I just know that I like it better.
The day I prefer Henley's voice to Keith's I'll definitely find a new favourite band
Imagine Henley's You Got The Silver, Happy, Before They Make me Run, Little T+A, Memory Motel, Coming Down Again...
Ouch, no I will stop this now...
PS: And this is coming from one who actually likes some of the stuff from The Eagles
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I think it's a lovely tune, beautifully sung, but I would imagine the Hounds of Hell are shortly to be unleashed on Mick hereabouts.
Lightyears better than Suspicious and Lover’s Plea, right?
Don't know about that, Dandie. In general, I prefer the singing voices of Miranda Lambert, Mick Jagger, and Don Henley to Keith Richards' voice. I wouldn't presume to judge whether Tift Merritt's song is better than Keith's songs. I just know that I like it better.
The day I prefer Henley's voice to Keith's I'll definitely find a new favourite band
Imagine Henley's You Got The Silver, Happy, Before They Make me Run, Little T+A, Memory Motel, Coming Down Again...
Ouch, no I will stop this now...
PS: And this is coming from one who actually likes some of the stuff from The Eagles
It's easy, Dandie. Just focus on the 95% of the band's discography that doesn't feature Keith on lead vox -- there's still enough there to make them your favorite band! (And, for the record, I love Keith as a backup vocalist--very charming and adds a lot of nice touches to classic Stones songs.)
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These Mick camp brigade are really suffering with jelousy at the moment
Its getting desperate, all their man can come up with is this rubbish
I mean come on guys what's happening here ??
Mick should be making music with Keith
Keith has been making all the sounds to go and record a Stones album and nothing from Mick
Mick just wants to tour because thats where the money is
He is not interested in being creative any more, its obvious