I like it.

- Doxa

Both the U.K. and U.S. editions are worthy releases. It's an important album, as it's the first to feature all Jagger-Richards compositions. It was also, I believe, the first Stones album to feature an entirely 'true' stereo-mix. However, I, personally, have always preferred their subsequent effort, Between the Buttons. For me, Aftermath possess a few lesser-quality numbers. There's nothing terrible there, but I could do without Going Home, for example.

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For me aftermath is too neat so not rough enough for a Rolling Stones Album.
The same goes for Between The Buttons, although Back Street Girl is a pearl and beauty of a ballad.
The Rolling Stones from 1963 to 1965 are a raw Rhythm and Blues band.
The Rolling Stones 1966 / 1967 too neat for the band they are today.
The Rolling Stones 1967 Their Satanic Majesties request is a search for what we want to do as a group.
The Rolling Stones 1968 until now is the group that stands like a house.

Aftermath is one hour of Jagger sneering that all stupid girls in their stupid clothes should leave him alone, Aftermath has the first song about drugs, it has the first sex references, it has power and energy, it has country, pop, RnR and blues, it has Brian Jones.

What's not to love.

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For me aftermath is too neat so not rough enough for a Rolling Stones Album.
The same goes for Between The Buttons, although Back Street Girl is a pearl and beauty of a ballad.
The Rolling Stones from 1963 to 1965 are a raw Rhythm and Blues band.
The Rolling Stones 1966 / 1967 too neat for the band they are today.
The Rolling Stones 1967 Their Satanic Majesties request is a search for what we want to do as a group.
The Rolling Stones 1968 until now is the group that stands like a house.

Aftermath is one hour of Jagger sneering that all stupid girls in their stupid clothes should leave him alone, Aftermath has the first song about drugs, it has the first sex references, it has power and energy, it has country, pop, RnR and blues, it has Brian Jones.

What's not to love.

Mathijs

Good that not everyone has the same opinion, nothing wrong with that.

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The Rolling Stones 1968 until now is the group that stands like a house.

Is that a fact ?

Aftermath was a great record to my taste.

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The Rolling Stones 1968 until now is the group that stands like a house.

Is that a fact ?

Aftermath was a great record to my taste.

Good that not everyone has the same (MY)opinion, nothing wrong with that.

Maybe this is a silly post, but it just occurred to me.
I just listened to Aftermath, which from their (fortunately short) pop-period, is my favorite album (I can't stand BtB and TSMR is 50% great, 50% cringeworthy), and I noticed again, not for the first time, that the last 3 songs (Take It Or Leave It, Think and What To Do) are so enjoyable. None of them are great outstanding hits, but I enjoy them very much. Sure, they are rather "pop" and "cute", but they are clever, rhythmically perfect and sounding great. Also, they combine very well together, like a trilogy, if that makes any sense.
The exact opposite of the last 3 songs of Undercover, which are so bad they bring the whole album down.

Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.

I love the under-mentioned I Am Waiting. Unfathomably good.

think is fantastic

i would love for them to try and revive this onstage like they did with oot

and i agree aftermath closes very well

They made that record long just because they could.
In my opinion Side 2 drags after Out Of Time. I Am Waiting is good, but they should have put on Ride On Baby and Sittin On A Fence on last, instead of It’s Not Easy, Take It Or Leave It, Think and What To Do. I don’t think either of them should have made the cut.



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They made that record long just because they could.
In my opinion Side 2 drags after Out Of Time. I Am Waiting is good, but they should have put on Ride On Baby and Sittin On A Fence on last, instead of It’s Not Easy, Take It Or Leave It, Think and What To Do. I don’t think either of them should have made the cut.

The only change I could see is to replace Going Home with Siting on A Fence and Sad Day. But even if I do not like Going Home all that much, it shows they are still a blues band and not a pop band only.

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They made that record long just because they could.
In my opinion Side 2 drags after Out Of Time. I Am Waiting is good, but they should have put on Ride On Baby and Sittin On A Fence on last, instead of It’s Not Easy, Take It Or Leave It, Think and What To Do. I don’t think either of them should have made the cut.

The only change I could see is to replace Going Home with Siting on A Fence and Sad Day. But even if I do not like Going Home all that much, it shows they are still a blues band and not a pop band only.

Mathijs

It's Not Easy is another bluesy tune; they weren't done yet. Who's Driving Your Plane? was recorded during the Aftermath sessions, wasn't it? That's another one.

Aftermath's follow-up, Between The Buttons, was the real departure, in my opinion. It's their first record which finds them following trends: the Kinks, 'Swinging London', etc. It's the one album, I find, where they're consciously embracing Englishness.

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They made that record long just because they could.
In my opinion Side 2 drags after Out Of Time. I Am Waiting is good, but they should have put on Ride On Baby and Sittin On A Fence on last, instead of It’s Not Easy, Take It Or Leave It, Think and What To Do. I don’t think either of them should have made the cut.

The only change I could see is to replace Going Home with Siting on A Fence and Sad Day. But even if I do not like Going Home all that much, it shows they are still a blues band and not a pop band only.

Mathijs

It's Not Easy is another bluesy tune; they weren't done yet. Who's Driving Your Plane? was recorded during the Aftermath sessions, wasn't it? That's another one.

Aftermath's follow-up, Between The Buttons, was the real departure, in my opinion. It's their first record which finds them following trends: the Kinks, 'Swinging London', etc. It's the one album, I find, where they're consciously embracing Englishness.

Who's Driving Your Plane is a year later, late 1966, for BtB.

I find ' It's not Easy' more to be a RnR track, more Chuck Berry than Muddy Waters, more American than the more British BtB.

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They made that record long just because they could.
In my opinion Side 2 drags after Out Of Time. I Am Waiting is good, but they should have put on Ride On Baby and Sittin On A Fence on last, instead of It’s Not Easy, Take It Or Leave It, Think and What To Do. I don’t think either of them should have made the cut.

The only change I could see is to replace Going Home with Siting on A Fence and Sad Day. But even if I do not like Going Home all that much, it shows they are still a blues band and not a pop band only.

Mathijs

It's Not Easy is another bluesy tune; they weren't done yet. Who's Driving Your Plane? was recorded during the Aftermath sessions, wasn't it? That's another one.

Aftermath's follow-up, Between The Buttons, was the real departure, in my opinion. It's their first record which finds them following trends: the Kinks, 'Swinging London', etc. It's the one album, I find, where they're consciously embracing Englishness.

Who's Driving Your Plane is a year later, late 1966, for BtB.

I find ' It's not Easy' more to be a RnR track, more Chuck Berry than Muddy Waters, more American than the more British BtB.

Mathijs

Yes, you're right Mathijs. Who's Driving Your Plane was the B-Side of Have YAOU Seen Your Mother, Baby..., I think.

I guess you're right, regarding It's Not Easy. It's not favourite of mine, actually. In fact, I am one of those who has a preference for Between the Buttons. With it's particular English feel, it possesses a uniqueness all of it's own.

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I love the under-mentioned I Am Waiting. Unfathomably good.

I like the entire album. The weakest songs are Going Home (as a blues opera it's the very weak sibling of Midnight Rambler) and Out Of Time (too long).
I Am Waiting indeed is a fantastic song.
But I find there's something very endearing about the last three songs, they almost sound like a unity of their own.

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I love the under-mentioned I Am Waiting. Unfathomably good.

I like the entire album. The weakest songs are Going Home (as a blues opera it's the very weak sibling of Midnight Rambler) and Out Of Time (too long).
I Am Waiting indeed is a fantastic song.
But I find there's something very endearing about the last three songs, they almost sound like a unity of their own.

I don't disagree with that assessment. I will say that I disagree with your contention that the last 3 tracks on Undercover are bad...I love Too Tough and All The Way Down, and if you're going to rehash Soul Survivor (not advisable) then It Must Be Hell isn't bad.

Not to compete, but I think I Am Waiting is on a whole other level. The way it builds a tension each verse until Micks releases with conviction and emotion.

That's the Rolling Stones.

I can't think of a Beatles song that achieves that - and I invite anyone to weigh in that has an example of one. It may exist, I just can't think of one.

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I love the under-mentioned I Am Waiting. Unfathomably good.

I like the entire album. The weakest songs are Going Home (as a blues opera it's the very weak sibling of Midnight Rambler) and Out Of Time (too long).
I Am Waiting indeed is a fantastic song.
But I find there's something very endearing about the last three songs, they almost sound like a unity of their own.

I don't disagree with that assessment. I will say that I disagree with your contention that the last 3 tracks on Undercover are bad...I love Too Tough and All The Way Down, and if you're going to rehash Soul Survivor (not advisable) then It Must Be Hell isn't bad.

Not to compete, but I think I Am Waiting is on a whole other level. The way it builds a tension each verse until Micks releases with conviction and emotion.

That's the Rolling Stones.

I can't think of a Beatles song that achieves that - and I invite anyone to weigh in that has an example of one. It may exist, I just can't think of one.

Regarding the Beatles: I think I'm in agreement. The B-Side, Yes It Is, has a building tension, however. At least, I've always thought so.

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Not to compete, but I think I Am Waiting is on a whole other level. The way it builds a tension each verse until Micks releases with conviction and emotion.

That's the Rolling Stones.

I can't think of a Beatles song that achieves that - and I invite anyone to weigh in that has an example of one. It may exist, I just can't think of one.

I know what you mean. As a kid when I started to listen The Rolling Stones and especially an album like AFTERMATH (that made me a HUGE impression) it was that kind of things that really turned me on. That was something one could not find, say, in a Beatles album.

Those early Jagger vocals are pretty incredible. The way he expresses emotions - especially negative ones - is pretty unique. The color of his voice, the darkness, the aggression, the tenderness if needed... it's all there. He really was able to transform the blues and soul influences into something of his own. Even if the song was pretty ¨pop' Mick could make it something else.

- Doxa



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I prefer the UK to the US version.

Aftermath is great.And if you took the 10 best songs Mick and Keith wrote in 1964-19)5 like Play with Fire and Satisfaction and put them on one album rather than spreading them around 5 albums with mostly covers, and releasing them as singles,you’d have a great single album



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.... just get Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) UK release ...



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I love the under-mentioned I Am Waiting. Unfathomably good.

I like the entire album. The weakest songs are Going Home (as a blues opera it's the very weak sibling of Midnight Rambler) and Out Of Time (too long).
I Am Waiting indeed is a fantastic song.
But I find there's something very endearing about the last three songs, they almost sound like a unity of their own.

I don't disagree with that assessment. I will say that I disagree with your contention that the last 3 tracks on Undercover are bad...I love Too Tough and All The Way Down, and if you're going to rehash Soul Survivor (not advisable) then It Must Be Hell isn't bad.

Not to compete, but I think I Am Waiting is on a whole other level. The way it builds a tension each verse until Micks releases with conviction and emotion.

That's the Rolling Stones.

I can't think of a Beatles song that achieves that - and I invite anyone to weigh in that has an example of one. It may exist, I just can't think of one.

Don't forget HTW (The verses)!

To me, Aftermath is an album that did not age that well. Sure, I love tracks like Under my Thumb, Mothers Little Helper, Stupid Girl and What to do, but most of the songs on the B side are just too... sweet of poppy for me, now. Although I did like songs like Take it or leave it, Think and I am Waiting when I was younger myself and just got into the Stones. And I never liked the repetitive Goin'Home tbt.

I truly prefer Between the Buttons, Now! and Decembes Children over Aftermath nowayds.

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.... just get Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) UK release ...

My point is that it would have been a stand alone album not greatest hits collection comparable to other albums.Plus High Tide leaves off Play With Fire, Blue Turns to Grey, Singer not the Song, I’mFree.

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.... just get Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) UK release ...

My point is that it would have been a stand alone album not greatest hits collection comparable to other albums.Plus High Tide leaves off Play With Fire, Blue Turns to Grey, Singer not the Song, I’mFree.

Yeah, I get what you are saying. They were so damn profilic at the time that despite prior AFTERMATH the bulk of their albums were covers (especially in UK), there was so much original material that could make a helluva album if put together.

Just to think of 1965 alone - the Jagger/Richards (plus Nanker Phelge) material from that year would have stand against about any album they released since then. You know, if one starts constructing an album around such hot single A sides as "The Last Time", "Satisfaction", "Get Off of My Cloud", oh boy...

The way they released music - singles, EPs, LPs at the time - for different markets - that makes it such a mess if looked retrospectively, but there surely were no lack of great songs.

I recall once as a kid making some sort of 12 songs collections like "Best of 1964", "Best of 1965", "Best of 1966" and "Best of 1967" and realizing if compared to any 'normal' album since then there was nothing to be ashamed of. Quite the contrary (there was only a few albums that actually were comparable to those in quality I think).

- Doxa



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.... just get Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) UK release ...

My point is that it would have been a stand alone album not greatest hits collection comparable to other albums.Plus High Tide leaves off Play With Fire, Blue Turns to Grey, Singer not the Song, I’mFree.

Yeah, I get what you are saying. They were so damn profilic at the time that despite prior AFTERMATH the bulk of their albums were covers (especially in UK), there was so much original material that could make a helluva album if put together.

Just to think of 1965 alone - the Jagger/Richards (plus Nanker Phelge) material from that year would have stand against about any album they released since then. You know, if one starts constructing an album around such hot single A sides as "The Last Time", "Satisfaction", "Get Off of My Cloud", oh boy...

The way they released music - singles, EPs, LPs at the time - for different markets - that makes it such a mess if looked retrospectively, but there surely were no lack of great songs.

I recall once as a kid making some sort of 12 songs collections like "Best of 1964", "Best of 1965", "Best of 1966" and "Best of 1967" and realizing if compared to any 'normal' album since then there was nothing to be ashamed of. Quite the contrary (there was only a few albums that actually were comparable to those in quality I think).

- Doxa

Just thought of this and think it's related. In a way, like today when we talk about album sequencing, and how arranging certain songs in a certain order would make the album better, or leaving out this cut and adding this b-side.

What you're describing is on a whole other level, taking singles or EP cuts that never appeared on an album and then sequencing them into a new album entirely. I agree you'd have these unbelieveable early Jagger/Richards albums with maybe a few covers.

Even a few years later leaving JJF off Beggar's or HTW off Let It Bleed...just inconceivable and the legend that these albums became despite not having those tracks would only have been enhanced.

Event TSMR could only have benefited from We Love You and Dandelion.

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.... just get Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) UK release ...

My point is that it would have been a stand alone album not greatest hits collection comparable to other albums.Plus High Tide leaves off Play With Fire, Blue Turns to Grey, Singer not the Song, I’mFree.

Yeah, I get what you are saying. They were so damn profilic at the time that despite prior AFTERMATH the bulk of their albums were covers (especially in UK), there was so much original material that could make a helluva album if put together.

Just to think of 1965 alone - the Jagger/Richards (plus Nanker Phelge) material from that year would have stand against about any album they released since then. You know, if one starts constructing an album around such hot single A sides as "The Last Time", "Satisfaction", "Get Off of My Cloud", oh boy...

The way they released music - singles, EPs, LPs at the time - for different markets - that makes it such a mess if looked retrospectively, but there surely were no lack of great songs.

I recall once as a kid making some sort of 12 songs collections like "Best of 1964", "Best of 1965", "Best of 1966" and "Best of 1967" and realizing if compared to any 'normal' album since then there was nothing to be ashamed of. Quite the contrary (there was only a few albums that actually were comparable to those in quality I think).

- Doxa

Just thought of this and think it's related. In a way, like today when we talk about album sequencing, and how arranging certain songs in a certain order would make the album better, or leaving out this cut and adding this b-side.

What you're describing is on a whole other level, taking singles or EP cuts that never appeared on an album and then sequencing them into a new album entirely. I agree you'd have these unbelieveable early Jagger/Richards albums with maybe a few covers.

Even a few years later leaving JJF off Beggar's or HTW off Let It Bleed...just inconceivable and the legend that these albums became despite not having those tracks would only have been enhanced.

Event TSMR could only have benefited from We Love You and Dandelion.

Of course, it was U.K. practice to not include singles on studio LP's.

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For me aftermath is too neat so not rough enough for a Rolling Stones Album.
The same goes for Between The Buttons, although Back Street Girl is a pearl and beauty of a ballad.
The Rolling Stones from 1963 to 1965 are a raw Rhythm and Blues band.
The Rolling Stones 1966 / 1967 too neat for the band they are today.
The Rolling Stones 1967 Their Satanic Majesties request is a search for what we want to do as a group.
The Rolling Stones 1968 until now is the group that stands like a house.

Aftermath is one hour of Jagger sneering that all stupid girls in their stupid clothes should leave him alone, Aftermath has the first song about drugs, it has the first sex references, it has power and energy, it has country, pop, RnR and blues, it has Brian Jones.

What's not to love.

Mathijs

A timeless beauty of an album

I first heard What To Do on MORE HOT ROCKS and Lady Jane and Out Of Time on FLOWERS. After getting a majority of their albums I finally got AFTERMATH (US) and loved Flight 505, Think, Doncha Bother Me, Think and It's Not Easy.

Having really been into SOME GIRLS - UNDERCOVER getting this album was an eye opener. I recently got the UK edition and it's much more interesting.

Really good album, either issue, and, to me, their third best 1960s album. It's definitely a jumping point for the songwriting, which was great to quirky, which they really dug into in 1968.

A very short time with a lot going on. It's probably amazing they didn't lose their minds and quit! Which is what makes BEGGARS and BLEED so damn good: they managed the craziness and grew beyond it.