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Yes of course, I think that's pretty widely understood...the point only being in the wider context that while we have some pretty unbelievable albums, that they could theoretically even have been improved is remarkable.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Love it too!!
And Bill is on fire!
C
Indian Girl is in my Top 10 Stones songs mate, and Goin' Home and Send It To Me are great songs of desperation and longing...
Guess one man's coffee is.... etc etc..
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-13 11:22 by MadMax.
Going Home pales in comparison with Midnight Rambler, but it's not bad. It's cute, like Aftermath is basically their "cutest" album. The melody in the first part is nice and the jam is a bit long but kind of interesting, And it really clearly is a jam.
Indian Girl is a guilty pleasure. Nothing wrong with a bit of camp occasionally. And maybe I'm imagining things but I think Mick sings it a bit with a tongue in cheek. Especially the "where's your mama" line, which he delivers perfectly. Whereas the song describes a sad situation, it's actually a fun song. Or bitter-sweet maybe.
Send It To Me is alright. Not great, but alright. The Stones hardly do good reggae, Feel On Baby is the large exception, but Send It To Me, again, is sort of tongue in cheek fun. Just the band chilling out.
+1
Goin' Home is horrible filler. At least the US issue has it dead last. So many better songs could've gone on the album instead of that crap.
I hope you boys have some nice Beatles albums to find some nice catchy pop songs to fill up that space. If there aren't really enough of them already in the album. But we Stones fans really love our boys doing that blues, man. Like no else before and after. With that no hostages taken attitude of theirs. Bravity. Or pure middle finger. This piece of art is one of the historically most singnificant tracks in this fine album. It still stands out no matter how many long tracks we have heard ever since.
The beauty of the jam is the equal band effort - how they communicate - even breath - together, each contributing so strongly to the outcome. Like one organ. Although Bill Wyman is a star in my book here.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-13 20:16 by Doxa.
I concur, and also have to ask, who else in popular music of any significance was even doing that in 1966, an extended blues jam? Groundbreaking and fabulous.
Spot on Ironbelly! Though I gotta say that Desolation Row got me right from the start thanks to all the trouble and strife's one has had to deal with even before I heard it the first time.
Mind you, I always heard Bob singing "Yeah I recieved your letter, about how the DONAU (Danube in english) broke" so I thought it was some LSD-induced reference to Mississippi delta blues
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-14 10:47 by MadMax.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
Nope. "Take it or leave it" is also damn good.
It's not bad, but I can take or leave that one.
I find its a great attempt of writing a soul balad like they used to cover on their earlier records. Its not world-shattering, but a nice album track.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-17 11:47 by Mathijs.
So what, are you saying I ain't got no sense?
Just head to the nearest record store or flea market.
Otherwise, 5€ and free shipping within Germany
[www.ebay.de]
This is 1993 (or 1994) pressing but it still came with the very same mastering as the one that was issued in 1985.
Thanks ironbelly,
I'm also looking for the wide stereo version of "Between the Buttons" ,
can you please give me the the catalogue number of this too?
I'm not on ebay, maybe a friend will help me.
This looks like the 1st pressing, although, I am not sure because there is no image of the CD (but those covers were used between 1985 and 1988, so it might be an early reissue).
[www.ebay.de]
Try the original mono mix. There are no 'multis'. They didn't have the equipment back then
The Beatles mixes are still very 'panned' stereo-wise, so I think that would be the case with Aftermath as well.
However, The Beatles used several reel to reel recorders to get 'more tracks' to mix down. As far as I know the Stones didn't do that.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: March 13, 2025 05:17
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Big AlQuote
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DoxaQuote
Taylor1My point is that it would have been a stand alone album not greatest hits collection comparable to other albums.Plus High Tide leaves off Play With Fire, Blue Turns to Grey, Singer not the Song, I’mFree.Quote
Rockman
.... just get Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) UK release ...
Yeah, I get what you are saying. They were so damn profilic at the time that despite prior AFTERMATH the bulk of their albums were covers (especially in UK), there was so much original material that could make a helluva album if put together.
Just to think of 1965 alone - the Jagger/Richards (plus Nanker Phelge) material from that year would have stand against about any album they released since then. You know, if one starts constructing an album around such hot single A sides as "The Last Time", "Satisfaction", "Get Off of My Cloud", oh boy...
The way they released music - singles, EPs, LPs at the time - for different markets - that makes it such a mess if looked retrospectively, but there surely were no lack of great songs.
I recall once as a kid making some sort of 12 songs collections like "Best of 1964", "Best of 1965", "Best of 1966" and "Best of 1967" and realizing if compared to any 'normal' album since then there was nothing to be ashamed of. Quite the contrary (there was only a few albums that actually were comparable to those in quality I think).
- Doxa
Just thought of this and think it's related. In a way, like today when we talk about album sequencing, and how arranging certain songs in a certain order would make the album better, or leaving out this cut and adding this b-side.
What you're describing is on a whole other level, taking singles or EP cuts that never appeared on an album and then sequencing them into a new album entirely. I agree you'd have these unbelieveable early Jagger/Richards albums with maybe a few covers.
Even a few years later leaving JJF off Beggar's or HTW off Let It Bleed...just inconceivable and the legend that these albums became despite not having those tracks would only have been enhanced.
Event TSMR could only have benefited from We Love You and Dandelion.
Of course, it was U.K. practice to not include singles on studio LP's.
Yes of course, I think that's pretty widely understood...the point only being in the wider context that while we have some pretty unbelievable albums, that they could theoretically even have been improved is remarkable.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
frenki09
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Date: March 13, 2025 08:50
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RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: March 13, 2025 10:14
Listening to the band through Going Home makes every second of it worthwhile.
I've always loved it – Send It To Me as well, btw.
I've always loved it – Send It To Me as well, btw.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: March 13, 2025 10:51
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DandelionPowderman
Listening to the band through Going Home makes every second of it worthwhile.
I've always loved it – Send It To Me as well, btw.
Love it too!!
And Bill is on fire!
C
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: March 13, 2025 11:07
With ya all thee way Dandeeeeee
Goin' Home is total groove ... never want it ta end ....
Theres a cool bit by Andrew Loog about the recording of it
See if i can find it ....
ROCKMAN
Goin' Home is total groove ... never want it ta end ....
Theres a cool bit by Andrew Loog about the recording of it
See if i can find it ....
ROCKMAN
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: March 13, 2025 11:09
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frenki09Quote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Indian Girl is in my Top 10 Stones songs mate, and Goin' Home and Send It To Me are great songs of desperation and longing...
Guess one man's coffee is.... etc etc..
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-13 11:22 by MadMax.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: March 13, 2025 11:52
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frenki09Quote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Going Home pales in comparison with Midnight Rambler, but it's not bad. It's cute, like Aftermath is basically their "cutest" album. The melody in the first part is nice and the jam is a bit long but kind of interesting, And it really clearly is a jam.
Indian Girl is a guilty pleasure. Nothing wrong with a bit of camp occasionally. And maybe I'm imagining things but I think Mick sings it a bit with a tongue in cheek. Especially the "where's your mama" line, which he delivers perfectly. Whereas the song describes a sad situation, it's actually a fun song. Or bitter-sweet maybe.
Send It To Me is alright. Not great, but alright. The Stones hardly do good reggae, Feel On Baby is the large exception, but Send It To Me, again, is sort of tongue in cheek fun. Just the band chilling out.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
runaway
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Date: March 13, 2025 17:54
The album Aftermath is complet, is fine, is great!
I love Going Home
I love Going Home
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
1962
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Date: March 13, 2025 18:02
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runaway
The album Aftermath is complet, is fine, is great!
I love Going Home
+1
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: March 13, 2025 19:34
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frenki09Quote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Goin' Home is horrible filler. At least the US issue has it dead last. So many better songs could've gone on the album instead of that crap.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: March 13, 2025 20:14
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GasLightStreetQuote
frenki09Quote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Goin' Home is horrible filler. At least the US issue has it dead last. So many better songs could've gone on the album instead of that crap.
I hope you boys have some nice Beatles albums to find some nice catchy pop songs to fill up that space. If there aren't really enough of them already in the album. But we Stones fans really love our boys doing that blues, man. Like no else before and after. With that no hostages taken attitude of theirs. Bravity. Or pure middle finger. This piece of art is one of the historically most singnificant tracks in this fine album. It still stands out no matter how many long tracks we have heard ever since.
The beauty of the jam is the equal band effort - how they communicate - even breath - together, each contributing so strongly to the outcome. Like one organ. Although Bill Wyman is a star in my book here.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-13 20:16 by Doxa.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: March 13, 2025 20:30
Quote
DoxaQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
frenki09Quote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
Really? Goin' Home? Anyone? A song pretending to be a jam. Which it is not. What an utter bore. Imagine how they could have used this space for another 2-3 proper songs. This has got to be the worst song the Stones have ever recorded (Indian Girl [Where is your mama?] and Send It To Me [She could be Hungarian] come close). You listen to the separated vocals once and you never want to listen to this song ever again.
Aftermath is a great album, but to say that every song is "so damn good"... Brrr...
I have warmed up to Between The Buttons a lot in the last few years. A great one too.
Goin' Home is horrible filler. At least the US issue has it dead last. So many better songs could've gone on the album instead of that crap.
I hope you boys have some nice Beatles albums to find some nice catchy pop songs to fill up that space. If there aren't really enough of them already in the album. But we Stones fans really love our boys doing that blues, man. Like no else before and after. With that no hostages taken attitude of theirs. Bravity. Or pure middle finger. This piece of art is one of the historically most singnificant tracks in this fine album. It still stands out no matter how many long tracks we have heard ever since.
The beauty of the jam is the equal band effort - how they communicate - even breath - together, each contributing so strongly to the outcome. Like one organ. Although Bill Wyman is a star in my book here.
- Doxa
I concur, and also have to ask, who else in popular music of any significance was even doing that in 1966, an extended blues jam? Groundbreaking and fabulous.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: March 13, 2025 20:37
“Goin' Home” is more than just a track; it's an artistic statement. It's definitely not filler. There’s a ‘highlight’ within it, a mood. Try listening to it while you're on a plane, frozen mid-air somewhere over the Atlantic, flying from JFK to LHR. That’s the perfect setting for it. 
Like any true artistic statement, though, it’s not always well-received. I mean, let’s be honest—most of us have a hard time digesting 'Desolation Row,' 'Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands,' or 'Revolution 9' at first, right?
Like any true artistic statement, though, it’s not always well-received. I mean, let’s be honest—most of us have a hard time digesting 'Desolation Row,' 'Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands,' or 'Revolution 9' at first, right?Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: March 14, 2025 10:47
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ironbelly
“Goin' Home” is more than just a track; it's an artistic statement. It's definitely not filler. There’s a ‘highlight’ within it, a mood. Try listening to it while you're on a plane, frozen mid-air somewhere over the Atlantic, flying from JFK to LHR. That’s the perfect setting for it.
Spot on Ironbelly!
Though I gotta say that Desolation Row got me right from the start thanks to all the trouble and strife's one has had to deal with even before I heard it the first time.Mind you, I always heard Bob singing "Yeah I recieved your letter, about how the DONAU (Danube in english) broke" so I thought it was some LSD-induced reference to Mississippi delta blues
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-14 10:47 by MadMax.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
jp.M
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Date: March 14, 2025 11:05
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RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: March 14, 2025 20:19
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jp.MQuote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
Nope. "Take it or leave it" is also damn good.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: March 15, 2025 01:34
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matxilQuote
jp.MQuote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
Nope. "Take it or leave it" is also damn good.
It's not bad, but I can take or leave that one.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: March 15, 2025 02:07
So you are Sittin on the Fence about it.Quote
treaclefingersQuote
matxilQuote
jp.MQuote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
Nope. "Take it or leave it" is also damn good.
It's not bad, but I can take or leave that one.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: March 15, 2025 14:05
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jp.MQuote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
I find its a great attempt of writing a soul balad like they used to cover on their earlier records. Its not world-shattering, but a nice album track.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-03-17 11:47 by Mathijs.
Re: Aftermath, the last 3 songs
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: March 16, 2025 19:14
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Taylor1So you are Sittin on the Fence about it.Quote
treaclefingersQuote
matxilQuote
jp.MQuote
RollingFreak
Every song on Aftermath is so damn good.
...except ” Take it or leave it ”...
Nope. "Take it or leave it" is also damn good.
It's not bad, but I can take or leave that one.
So what, are you saying I ain't got no sense?
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: October 16, 2025 21:17
Is there any kind soul around here, who will send me the wide open stereo mix of Aftermath from the early West-German CD?
rank_stranger@web.de
rank_stranger@web.de
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Witness
()
Date: October 16, 2025 22:22
I want to applaud the views on this page of the thread by Dandelion Powderman and Doxa on "Goin' Home"! A pleasure to read!
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: October 19, 2025 13:35
If you live in Germany, that is no rocket science.Quote
Rank Stranger
Is there any kind soul around here, who will send me the wide open stereo mix of Aftermath from the early West-German CD?
[email protected]
Just head to the nearest record store or flea market.
Otherwise, 5€ and free shipping within Germany
[www.ebay.de]
This is 1993 (or 1994) pressing but it still came with the very same mastering as the one that was issued in 1985.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: October 19, 2025 15:14
Quote
ironbellyIf you live in Germany, that is no rocket science.Quote
Rank Stranger
Is there any kind soul around here, who will send me the wide open stereo mix of Aftermath from the early West-German CD?
[email protected]
Just head to the nearest record store or flea market.
Otherwise, 5€ and free shipping within Germany
[www.ebay.de]
This is 1993 (or 1994) pressing but it still came with the very same mastering as the one that was issued in 1985.
Thanks ironbelly,
I'm also looking for the wide stereo version of "Between the Buttons" ,
can you please give me the the catalogue number of this too?
I'm not on ebay, maybe a friend will help me.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: October 19, 2025 16:46
You are welcome. Between The Buttons = London 820 138-2. You can look for any pressing of that one too. Digital material is identical for all discs, no matter year of edition or country of origin (Germany, France, Brazil).Quote
Rank StrangerQuote
ironbellyIf you live in Germany, that is no rocket science.Quote
Rank Stranger
Is there any kind soul around here, who will send me the wide open stereo mix of Aftermath from the early West-German CD?
[email protected]
Just head to the nearest record store or flea market.
Otherwise, 5€ and free shipping within Germany
[www.ebay.de]
This is 1993 (or 1994) pressing but it still came with the very same mastering as the one that was issued in 1985.
Thanks ironbelly,
I'm also looking for the wide stereo version of "Between the Buttons" ,
can you please give me the the catalogue number of this too?
I'm not on ebay, maybe a friend will help me.
This looks like the 1st pressing, although, I am not sure because there is no image of the CD (but those covers were used between 1985 and 1988, so it might be an early reissue).
[www.ebay.de]
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: October 19, 2025 21:00
Thank you very much ironbelly.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Ragnbert
()
Date: October 20, 2025 12:00
I think it is a good album overall but the sound is thin and to much stereo separation. It sounds a lot like Surrealistic Pillow by Jefferson Airplane. Same studio and same engineer could be the reason. Aftermath should benefit soundwise to get a new mix from the multis.
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 20, 2025 13:02
Quote
Ragnbert
I think it is a good album overall but the sound is thin and to much stereo separation. It sounds a lot like Surrealistic Pillow by Jefferson Airplane. Same studio and same engineer could be the reason. Aftermath should benefit soundwise to get a new mix from the multis.
Try the original mono mix. There are no 'multis'. They didn't have the equipment back then
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
Ragnbert
()
Date: October 20, 2025 13:29
I have just bought the "In mono" box and I think that Aftermath in mono is superior. I know there were no real multis then like today but at least four channels were available and if the Beatles first albums could get remixes I think that albums recorded at RCA in Hollywood cold be so as well
Re: ALBUM TALK: Aftermath UK
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 20, 2025 15:18
Quote
Ragnbert
I have just bought the "In mono" box and I think that Aftermath in mono is superior. I know there were no real multis then like today but at least four channels were available and if the Beatles first albums could get remixes I think that albums recorded at RCA in Hollywood cold be so as well
The Beatles mixes are still very 'panned' stereo-wise, so I think that would be the case with Aftermath as well.
However, The Beatles used several reel to reel recorders to get 'more tracks' to mix down. As far as I know the Stones didn't do that.
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