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I may as well quote your post as mine would be exactly the same and it would save me from typing all that out unnecessarily, therefore saving some time as well, so thanks.
Oh...damn.
Thanks for posting, that was cool!
I read somewhere (maybe in Barbara Charones book) that the band had planned to play five nights at the El Mocambo but had to cancel three shows because of Keith's "problems".
yeah,that's true.i'm not sure it was in her book but i do remember that being the story at the time.
if you go from the charone book and then read chet flippos articles in rolling stone magazine you can follow the entire saga,which is what i did.
it was pretty amazing thinking back on it-reading about the toronto saga and then love you live coming out months later and actually hearing the gigs you read about.
Led Zeppelin sold more records than the Stones but when the Stones toured in the seventies, it was a much bigger deal.
Led Zeppelin, though huge, for some reason did not capture the public's imagination like the Stones did. For some reason there is an interest in the Stones not only as a group, but as individuals. There has always been something compelling about each of them. The exception to this was Mick Taylor, not his excellent guitar playing, but his physical presence. He never seemed to fit the look of the band. And it didn't help that he was a 'Mick' too.
it seems as though Zep's blatant plagiarism is catching up with them a bit, certainly the Stones deserve to be remembered by history and Zep does not.
Not as a live act they weren't. I always notice when it comes to Led Zeppelin there is a lot of revisionist history.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-13 22:52 by stanlove.
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The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
mrpaulincanada
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Date: May 12, 2015 19:59
The hidden history of how the Rolling Stones pulled off their legendary secret El Mocambo show
This summer, the Rolling Stones will play selected dates in the U.S. and Canada, but long before they were a touring colossus grinding from stadium to stadium, they were nimble enough to surprise. In 1977 in Toronto they recorded a live album at the El Mocambo. They could have bolted the doors, drawn the curtains and mixed in the wild cries later. They could have played it, faked it, then left before anyone knew. But instead, they kept the event secret until right before it happened: the biggest rock and roll band on the planet playing a small club and recording a live album; shows unannounced, yet filled with fans who deserved to be there.
Mick Jagger and his manager, Peter Rudge, did some scouting, looking at this club here, that club there. Then, one afternoon in fall, 1976, they settled at a table in the Windsor Arms. Duff Roman happened to be there, too.
“I saw Mick and Peter Rudge walk in,” remembers Roman, the visionary behind CHUM FM, Canada’s first AOR (album-oriented rock) station. (Roman also has the distinction of producing the first ever sessions by Levon and the Hawks, who soon became The Band.) “I tried to play it cool, and wrote a message on my CHUM FM business card that said, ‘I’m here if you need anything.’ I called the waiter over and had him take it to Mick and Peter’s table. Rudge looked at it first and then Mick wanted to see. After awhile, they looked over and I nodded, smiled and pointed. Then they left. It was months before I heard from them again.”
Rudge called CHUM FM and told Roman what he was thinking: a secret, two-night engagement at the El Mocambo filled with diehard fans who would have to be directed there via ruse so that the club not become overrun by thousands.
“He asked me, ‘Do you think you can pull it off?’ ” remembers Roman. “I told him that we could and then started thinking about how we could actually do it without anyone knowing.” The Stones hadn’t performed in six months — the notorious, ragged, bloated spectacle of their 1975 tour (as well as some shows in ’76) had been finally been ashed — and the pop music world debated the band’s next move. Altamont, “@#$%& Blues” and riots in Vancouver had rolled under them, and Keith Richards, the band’s main guitarist, had been dogged by rumours of near-fatal drug abuse.
Dave “Blue” Bluestein was the El Mo’s booker. He staged a plan to book April Wine for March 4-5, 1977, as a smokescreen. “We had natural cover,” he says, “because if anything got out, we could say, ‘No, look, April Wine is playing. That’s the gig. It says so right here,’ ” he says, pointing to an imaginary calendar. “Another band was added to the April Wine shows called ‘The Cockroaches,’ which was The Stones’ alias. On the day of the first show, the band rehearsed upstairs and soundchecked for the live recording.”
People who passed by on Spadina Avenue outside thought they were hearing a Stones cover band rehearsing their repertoire. It was preposterous to think it would be the actual band, in Toronto, playing in the middle of the day.
“The plan that we constructed,” says Roman, “was to have a contest: ‘What would you do to see the Rolling Stones play live?’ This way we could select the 300 top entries and guarantee that real fans would be there for the event. The prize would be a chance to see April Wine at the El Mocambo. People wrote in and we cherry-picked the best ones. As you might expect, there were lots of nude Polaroids. When the band came in to judge the winners, they slipped the photos into their pockets and took them home.”
It was preposterous to think it would be the actual band, in Toronto, playing in the middle of the day
After the winners were selected, CHUM FM hired a dozen TTC buses and instructed fans to meet at the radio station on Yonge Street, where they’d be shipped to the show. “I got on the mic on one of the buses and said, ‘I have some bad news. There’s a change to the show tonight.’ People were disappointed and started to boo. I continued: ‘Along with April Wine, you’ll also be seeing a band called the Rolling … yes, the Rolling … the Rolling Stones!’ For a moment, people sat in utter bewilderment. Then there was a lot of cheering and shouting when they realized where they’d be going.”
The Stones had been in town for most of the week staying at the Harbour Castle Hilton, a residency not without its own drama or complications. In his superb new e-book about the event, Before They Make Me Run, music writer Jason Schneider tells how Keith Richards was busted for 26 grams of heroin in his hotel room. Schneider says: “In his statement, Keith disclosed he had been a heavy heroin user for four years and that he purchased the large quantity to maintain his habit for the five to six weeks he expected to be in Toronto. He also stated he’d tried to kick his habit several times, but could never complete treatment programs due to the Stones’ touring commitments. He concluded by claiming [girlfriend Anita] Pallenberg had no knowledge of his heroin stash, saying: ‘This is supposed to be daddy’s little secret.’ ”
Duff Roman remembers how “at about 7:30 p.m., all of the buses rolled down Avenue Street, came across College and, somehow, navigated behind the El Mo, in the alleyway, so no one would notice, and we could just spirit the fans in through the back door without creating a commotion or scene of any kind.” (The hulking Fedco mobile recording truck, operated by producer Eddie Kramer, was also parked there and that it was unreported is another organizational dint of luck.) “It was remarkable that it was all kept under wraps. No one knew about the show until after it ended, and fans started calling their friends.”
Blue had been told to keep the whole first floor of the club as the band’s dressing room. “When people say, ‘Margaret Trudeau was in the dressing room’ — which she was — you get the wrong impression, because there were a hundred other people there, too. It was a zoo,” he says.
Perhaps Blue understates the impact Trudeau’s appearance had on international tabloids: the Prime Minister’s estranged wife partying with the most notorious of rock bands. When Pierre Trudeau was told about Maggie’s adventures, and how she’d emerged from the limo prior to the show alongside Mick Jagger, the PM sighed, “I hope that she doesn’t [also] start to see the Beatles.”
Roman and Blue remember that the shows were great, the band tight and the crowded excited, if respectful in the most Canadian way possible. But the legacy of the evening, and the next night, was how the city’s tastemakers, radio promo types, deejays, groupies, drug dealers, writers and fans who went to the show resisted telling others until the event had played itself out, a nearly unfathomable notion against our modern social media times, where first-mention and being on the inside is everything.
“There’s no way we could have pulled this off now,” says Roman. “But back then, there was almost a shared sense of being together, witnessing what people were witnessing — a concert by a stadium band to 300 people in a club — without having to share it, or tell others. History was happening, but that it was happening was enough. It didn’t have to be all immediately announced. It could just be lived and experienced, and, look, it’s an unbelievable thing that happened. In our city. In our time.”
This summer, the Rolling Stones will play selected dates in the U.S. and Canada, but long before they were a touring colossus grinding from stadium to stadium, they were nimble enough to surprise. In 1977 in Toronto they recorded a live album at the El Mocambo. They could have bolted the doors, drawn the curtains and mixed in the wild cries later. They could have played it, faked it, then left before anyone knew. But instead, they kept the event secret until right before it happened: the biggest rock and roll band on the planet playing a small club and recording a live album; shows unannounced, yet filled with fans who deserved to be there.
Mick Jagger and his manager, Peter Rudge, did some scouting, looking at this club here, that club there. Then, one afternoon in fall, 1976, they settled at a table in the Windsor Arms. Duff Roman happened to be there, too.
“I saw Mick and Peter Rudge walk in,” remembers Roman, the visionary behind CHUM FM, Canada’s first AOR (album-oriented rock) station. (Roman also has the distinction of producing the first ever sessions by Levon and the Hawks, who soon became The Band.) “I tried to play it cool, and wrote a message on my CHUM FM business card that said, ‘I’m here if you need anything.’ I called the waiter over and had him take it to Mick and Peter’s table. Rudge looked at it first and then Mick wanted to see. After awhile, they looked over and I nodded, smiled and pointed. Then they left. It was months before I heard from them again.”
Rudge called CHUM FM and told Roman what he was thinking: a secret, two-night engagement at the El Mocambo filled with diehard fans who would have to be directed there via ruse so that the club not become overrun by thousands.
“He asked me, ‘Do you think you can pull it off?’ ” remembers Roman. “I told him that we could and then started thinking about how we could actually do it without anyone knowing.” The Stones hadn’t performed in six months — the notorious, ragged, bloated spectacle of their 1975 tour (as well as some shows in ’76) had been finally been ashed — and the pop music world debated the band’s next move. Altamont, “@#$%& Blues” and riots in Vancouver had rolled under them, and Keith Richards, the band’s main guitarist, had been dogged by rumours of near-fatal drug abuse.
Dave “Blue” Bluestein was the El Mo’s booker. He staged a plan to book April Wine for March 4-5, 1977, as a smokescreen. “We had natural cover,” he says, “because if anything got out, we could say, ‘No, look, April Wine is playing. That’s the gig. It says so right here,’ ” he says, pointing to an imaginary calendar. “Another band was added to the April Wine shows called ‘The Cockroaches,’ which was The Stones’ alias. On the day of the first show, the band rehearsed upstairs and soundchecked for the live recording.”
People who passed by on Spadina Avenue outside thought they were hearing a Stones cover band rehearsing their repertoire. It was preposterous to think it would be the actual band, in Toronto, playing in the middle of the day.
“The plan that we constructed,” says Roman, “was to have a contest: ‘What would you do to see the Rolling Stones play live?’ This way we could select the 300 top entries and guarantee that real fans would be there for the event. The prize would be a chance to see April Wine at the El Mocambo. People wrote in and we cherry-picked the best ones. As you might expect, there were lots of nude Polaroids. When the band came in to judge the winners, they slipped the photos into their pockets and took them home.”
It was preposterous to think it would be the actual band, in Toronto, playing in the middle of the day
After the winners were selected, CHUM FM hired a dozen TTC buses and instructed fans to meet at the radio station on Yonge Street, where they’d be shipped to the show. “I got on the mic on one of the buses and said, ‘I have some bad news. There’s a change to the show tonight.’ People were disappointed and started to boo. I continued: ‘Along with April Wine, you’ll also be seeing a band called the Rolling … yes, the Rolling … the Rolling Stones!’ For a moment, people sat in utter bewilderment. Then there was a lot of cheering and shouting when they realized where they’d be going.”
The Stones had been in town for most of the week staying at the Harbour Castle Hilton, a residency not without its own drama or complications. In his superb new e-book about the event, Before They Make Me Run, music writer Jason Schneider tells how Keith Richards was busted for 26 grams of heroin in his hotel room. Schneider says: “In his statement, Keith disclosed he had been a heavy heroin user for four years and that he purchased the large quantity to maintain his habit for the five to six weeks he expected to be in Toronto. He also stated he’d tried to kick his habit several times, but could never complete treatment programs due to the Stones’ touring commitments. He concluded by claiming [girlfriend Anita] Pallenberg had no knowledge of his heroin stash, saying: ‘This is supposed to be daddy’s little secret.’ ”
Duff Roman remembers how “at about 7:30 p.m., all of the buses rolled down Avenue Street, came across College and, somehow, navigated behind the El Mo, in the alleyway, so no one would notice, and we could just spirit the fans in through the back door without creating a commotion or scene of any kind.” (The hulking Fedco mobile recording truck, operated by producer Eddie Kramer, was also parked there and that it was unreported is another organizational dint of luck.) “It was remarkable that it was all kept under wraps. No one knew about the show until after it ended, and fans started calling their friends.”
Blue had been told to keep the whole first floor of the club as the band’s dressing room. “When people say, ‘Margaret Trudeau was in the dressing room’ — which she was — you get the wrong impression, because there were a hundred other people there, too. It was a zoo,” he says.
Perhaps Blue understates the impact Trudeau’s appearance had on international tabloids: the Prime Minister’s estranged wife partying with the most notorious of rock bands. When Pierre Trudeau was told about Maggie’s adventures, and how she’d emerged from the limo prior to the show alongside Mick Jagger, the PM sighed, “I hope that she doesn’t [also] start to see the Beatles.”
Roman and Blue remember that the shows were great, the band tight and the crowded excited, if respectful in the most Canadian way possible. But the legacy of the evening, and the next night, was how the city’s tastemakers, radio promo types, deejays, groupies, drug dealers, writers and fans who went to the show resisted telling others until the event had played itself out, a nearly unfathomable notion against our modern social media times, where first-mention and being on the inside is everything.
“There’s no way we could have pulled this off now,” says Roman. “But back then, there was almost a shared sense of being together, witnessing what people were witnessing — a concert by a stadium band to 300 people in a club — without having to share it, or tell others. History was happening, but that it was happening was enough. It didn’t have to be all immediately announced. It could just be lived and experienced, and, look, it’s an unbelievable thing that happened. In our city. In our time.”
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
David Neal
()
Date: May 12, 2015 20:05
AMAZING....i'm originally from Toronto and that would have been one exclusive concert to attend...love to SEE the recording of that (as does everyone else) Great story...Thanks for sharing
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Snoopy
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Date: May 12, 2015 20:58
Love it, thanks! Reminds me of how R n' r used to feel before days of super-social media.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
hot stuff
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Date: May 12, 2015 21:08
Very cool.. Thanks for posting.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 12, 2015 21:14
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hot stuff
Very cool.. Thanks for posting.
I may as well quote your post as mine would be exactly the same and it would save me from typing all that out unnecessarily, therefore saving some time as well, so thanks.
Oh...damn.
Thanks for posting, that was cool!
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Leonioid
()
Date: May 12, 2015 21:15
It was preposterous to think it would be the actual band, in Toronto, playing in the middle of the day
After the winners were selected, CHUM FM hired a dozen TTC buses and instructed fans to meet at the radio station on Yonge Street, where they’d be shipped to the show. “I got on the mic on one of the buses and said, ‘I have some bad news. There’s a change to the show tonight.’ People were disappointed and started to boo. I continued: ‘Along with April Wine, you’ll also be seeing a band called the Rolling … yes, the Rolling … the Rolling Stones!’ For a moment, people sat in utter bewilderment. Then there was a lot of cheering and shouting when they realized where they’d be going.”
BEST STORY EVER!!
After the winners were selected, CHUM FM hired a dozen TTC buses and instructed fans to meet at the radio station on Yonge Street, where they’d be shipped to the show. “I got on the mic on one of the buses and said, ‘I have some bad news. There’s a change to the show tonight.’ People were disappointed and started to boo. I continued: ‘Along with April Wine, you’ll also be seeing a band called the Rolling … yes, the Rolling … the Rolling Stones!’ For a moment, people sat in utter bewilderment. Then there was a lot of cheering and shouting when they realized where they’d be going.”
BEST STORY EVER!!
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Leonioid
()
Date: May 12, 2015 21:19
Does April Wine still play?
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Cocaine Eyes
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Date: May 12, 2015 21:27
SOME of the info in the opening post is just a bit incorrect. It's Avenue ROAD not Street. But that's being way too picky! Apologies.
The ONE response that I loved the best (for the contest) was from a person who said "Stairway To Heaven is my favourite tune". Keith said - "Oh, this guy's IN".
Those were the days. I often think of the person I met there with whom I had hot chocolate and he had coffee next door to the ElMo. I called him (respectfully) "Coke Spoon". A very kind guy.
Yep, those were two nights to never forget.......The police were also helpful to all of us. Nice.
Thanks for the sweet reminder.....
CE
PS. What ever happened to Little Ricky Ringer?
The ONE response that I loved the best (for the contest) was from a person who said "Stairway To Heaven is my favourite tune". Keith said - "Oh, this guy's IN".
Those were the days. I often think of the person I met there with whom I had hot chocolate and he had coffee next door to the ElMo. I called him (respectfully) "Coke Spoon". A very kind guy.
Yep, those were two nights to never forget.......The police were also helpful to all of us. Nice.
Thanks for the sweet reminder.....
CE
PS. What ever happened to Little Ricky Ringer?
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
lem motlow
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Date: May 12, 2015 21:35
barbara charones book,that i cant even remember the name of[keith richards?] is an amazing story because she's living with keith and anita at redlands when he's getting ready to leave for toronto.
keith was really wasted and kept missing the flights they booked for him-she even qouted the message they sent for him-"we're here,where are you?"
you can really follow his footsteps because they leave the writer in england and of course show up at the airport in toronto and...
its amazing how well they were playing after being off the road for a bit,that gig is some of the best rock and roll i've ever heard.
keith was really wasted and kept missing the flights they booked for him-she even qouted the message they sent for him-"we're here,where are you?"
you can really follow his footsteps because they leave the writer in england and of course show up at the airport in toronto and...
its amazing how well they were playing after being off the road for a bit,that gig is some of the best rock and roll i've ever heard.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
dcba
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Date: May 12, 2015 21:38
"When the band came in to judge the winners, they slipped the photos into their pockets and took them home"
Make that "Jagger and Wyman slipped the photos into their pockets and took them home".
Charlie was interested and H had certainly made Keith impotent.
Make that "Jagger and Wyman slipped the photos into their pockets and took them home".
Charlie was interested and H had certainly made Keith impotent.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Leonioid
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Date: May 12, 2015 21:42
I wonder if sending nudey pictures got the person in the door?
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
django
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Date: May 12, 2015 22:18
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mrpaulincanada
Rudge called CHUM FM and told Roman what he was thinking: a secret, two-night engagement at the El Mocambo ...
I read somewhere (maybe in Barbara Charones book) that the band had planned to play five nights at the El Mocambo but had to cancel three shows because of Keith's "problems".
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: May 12, 2015 22:29
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djangoQuote
mrpaulincanada
Rudge called CHUM FM and told Roman what he was thinking: a secret, two-night engagement at the El Mocambo ...
I read somewhere (maybe in Barbara Charones book) that the band had planned to play five nights at the El Mocambo but had to cancel three shows because of Keith's "problems".
yeah,that's true.i'm not sure it was in her book but i do remember that being the story at the time.
if you go from the charone book and then read chet flippos articles in rolling stone magazine you can follow the entire saga,which is what i did.
it was pretty amazing thinking back on it-reading about the toronto saga and then love you live coming out months later and actually hearing the gigs you read about.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
stewedandkeefed
()
Date: May 13, 2015 19:33
I once went to a party in Ingersoll, Ontario and there was a guy there who claimed to have done some publicity work for the Stones. I spoke to him suspecting he was full of it. He wasn't. He was hired as part of the damage control team after Keith's Harbour Castle Hilton bust. He mentioned going into an elevator in the Hilton with Keith and Barbara Charone (he supplied Charone's name, I did not prompt him) and he said they kept Keith's new stash (after the RCMP took the 26 grams) on the roof of the elevator.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: May 13, 2015 19:39
Nice story!
Now I know why Keef always said good things about Charone! ><
Her book is fantastic btw. The best written in the 70's along with Chet Flippo's.
Now I know why Keef always said good things about Charone! >
<Her book is fantastic btw. The best written in the 70's along with Chet Flippo's.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Boognish
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Date: May 13, 2015 20:19
Is there a source link to this story? Thanks.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Bsebastian
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Date: May 13, 2015 20:25
it's a great story.
led zeppelin was so much bigger than the stones in the 70's, i'm not sure why people ignore them on this board so much. in any case, i like keith's response to the fan who said stairway to heaven was his favorite song.
led zeppelin was so much bigger than the stones in the 70's, i'm not sure why people ignore them on this board so much. in any case, i like keith's response to the fan who said stairway to heaven was his favorite song.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
onlystones
()
Date: May 13, 2015 20:54
People ignore LZ on this website because it is a Rolling Stones web site.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
stewedandkeefed
()
Date: May 13, 2015 21:23
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Bsebastian
it's a great story.
led zeppelin was so much bigger than the stones in the 70's, i'm not sure why people ignore them on this board so much. in any case, i like keith's response to the fan who said stairway to heaven was his favorite song.
Led Zeppelin sold more records than the Stones but when the Stones toured in the seventies, it was a much bigger deal.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: May 13, 2015 21:54
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Bsebastian
it's a great story.
led zeppelin was so much bigger than the stones in the 70's, i'm not sure why people ignore them on this board so much. in any case, i like keith's response to the fan who said stairway to heaven was his favorite song.
Led Zeppelin, though huge, for some reason did not capture the public's imagination like the Stones did. For some reason there is an interest in the Stones not only as a group, but as individuals. There has always been something compelling about each of them. The exception to this was Mick Taylor, not his excellent guitar playing, but his physical presence. He never seemed to fit the look of the band. And it didn't help that he was a 'Mick' too.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
Bsebastian
()
Date: May 13, 2015 22:12
Quote
24FPSQuote
Bsebastian
it's a great story.
led zeppelin was so much bigger than the stones in the 70's, i'm not sure why people ignore them on this board so much. in any case, i like keith's response to the fan who said stairway to heaven was his favorite song.
Led Zeppelin, though huge, for some reason did not capture the public's imagination like the Stones did. For some reason there is an interest in the Stones not only as a group, but as individuals. There has always been something compelling about each of them. The exception to this was Mick Taylor, not his excellent guitar playing, but his physical presence. He never seemed to fit the look of the band. And it didn't help that he was a 'Mick' too.
it seems as though Zep's blatant plagiarism is catching up with them a bit, certainly the Stones deserve to be remembered by history and Zep does not.
Re: The story behind the el Mocambo gig
Posted by:
stanlove
()
Date: May 13, 2015 22:49
Quote
Bsebastian
it's a great story.
led zeppelin was so much bigger than the stones in the 70's,.
Not as a live act they weren't. I always notice when it comes to Led Zeppelin there is a lot of revisionist history.
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