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schillid
And how about him smoking a cig?
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schillid
And how about him smoking a cig?
Cigarettes quit him.
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marcovandereijk
Charlie is everybody's darling.
Rightfully so!
A question to the drummers around here: how challenging is an average Stones setlist
for a drummer?
Are there enough variations in rythm, figures and styles to keep yourself interested
as a drummer?
No there really isn't. Especially after you've played the tunes as many times as Charlie has and when your personal tastes are not the Stones style of music. I think obligated is more applicable to Charlie's playing than interested. The few times he can stretch a bit on breakdowns and improvs are few and far between. I suspect Charlie is mostly bored to death playing the warhorses but it's his job, he's well paid and he isn't going to rock the boat.
That being said, Charlie has a style which is not that easy to replicate, it's simple but it can be different, especially the way he pulls the hi hat beat when he hits the snare.
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obligated vs. interested /engaged..
when it comes to playing with Keith (and Darryl) I presume, since that's all I can do, that lots of history and ways of making this interesting for them exist between them.
I don't think for a minute that Charlie is bored or plays due to obligation. I think it might look that way..
there are so many ways to put unexpected and subtle shifts in tone and attitude, in music, especially in the way the Stones rely on feeling and that intangible telepathy they have..
I think you'd agree since you are a player too..
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marcovandereijk
Charlie is everybody's darling.
Rightfully so!
A question to the drummers around here: how challenging is an average Stones setlist
for a drummer?
Are there enough variations in rythm, figures and styles to keep yourself interested
as a drummer?
No there really isn't. Especially after you've played the tunes as many times as Charlie has and when your personal tastes are not the Stones style of music. I think obligated is more applicable to Charlie's playing than interested. The few times he can stretch a bit on breakdowns and improvs are few and far between. I suspect Charlie is mostly bored to death playing the warhorses but it's his job, he's well paid and he isn't going to rock the boat.
That being said, Charlie has a style which is not that easy to replicate, it's simple but it can be different, especially the way he pulls the hi hat beat when he hits the snare.
peace
obligated vs. interested /engaged..
when it comes to playing with Keith (and Darryl) I presume, since that's all I can do, that lots of history and ways of making this interesting for them exist between them.
I don't think for a minute that Charlie is bored or plays due to obligation. I think it might look that way..
there are so many ways to put unexpected and subtle shifts in tone and attitude, in music, especially in the way the Stones rely on feeling and that intangible telepathy they have..
I think you'd agree since you are a player too..
Yes I do agree. It's hard to understand or judge Charlie's playing. Sometimes it seems he's just going through the motions and then he'll surprise you with some inspired and perfect stuff. No doubt he is very good at what he does. His tone and energy in that Four Flicks jam recently posted is amazing.
I just imagine that a guy as deep as Charlie who has clearly expressed his feelings of how shallow pop/rock music is in general, must have to dig deep to be inspired playing JJF for the 1000th time. But basically these guys are such pro's in the performance theater it's hard to get anything but great from them. And upon further reflection, I imagine there are some very subtle push and pull things going on between Charlie and the other musicians that keep him somewhat interested. After playing together for so long that intangible telepathy you speak of is certainly amazing and of course Charlie is a big part of it.
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Charlie is the prototype for an anti-rock & roll drummer. An uninformed person who sees him walking down the sidewalk may mistake him for an impeccably dressed symphony conductor or entrepreneur. Not a musician who, for over 50 years, has played drums for one of the most notorious musical groups in history. He is yet another signature element of what was, and has remained, the Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World.
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Charlie is the prototype for an anti-rock & roll drummer. An uninformed person who sees him walking down the sidewalk may mistake him for an impeccably dressed symphony conductor or entrepreneur. Not a musician who, for over 50 years, has played drums for one of the most notorious musical groups in history. He is yet another signature element of what was, and has remained, the Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World.
I will go you one further: He is in no sense a rock & roll drummer, and has never considered himslef one. None of his influences are rock drummers (thank God), except perhaps (to a small degree) contemporaries like Ringo and Keith Moon. The Stones with a "normal" rock drummer would be the end of the Stones.
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1969Fan
Charlie is the prototype for an anti-rock & roll drummer. An uninformed person who sees him walking down the sidewalk may mistake him for an impeccably dressed symphony conductor or entrepreneur. Not a musician who, for over 50 years, has played drums for one of the most notorious musical groups in history. He is yet another signature element of what was, and has remained, the Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World.
I will go you one further: He is in no sense a rock & roll drummer, and has never considered himslef one. None of his influences are rock drummers (thank God), except perhaps (to a small degree) contemporaries like Ringo and Keith Moon. The Stones with a "normal" rock drummer would be the end of the Stones.
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marcovandereijk
Charlie is everybody's darling.
Rightfully so!
A question to the drummers around here: how challenging is an average Stones setlist
for a drummer?
Are there enough variations in rythm, figures and styles to keep yourself interested
as a drummer?
No there really isn't. Especially after you've played the tunes as many times as Charlie has and when your personal tastes are not the Stones style of music. I think obligated is more applicable to Charlie's playing than interested. The few times he can stretch a bit on breakdowns and improvs are few and far between. I suspect Charlie is mostly bored to death playing the warhorses but it's his job, he's well paid and he isn't going to rock the boat.
That being said, Charlie has a style which is not that easy to replicate, it's simple but it can be different, especially the way he pulls the hi hat beat when he hits the snare.
peace
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NO ONE plays like Charlie. The highhat skip leaves room for the snare to sound huge. <-- provided the person mixing house sound doesn't make it sound like a tom with mid-range ringing. Charlie Watts is the man.
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marcovandereijk
Charlie is everybody's darling.
Rightfully so!
A question to the drummers around here: how challenging is an average Stones setlist
for a drummer?
Are there enough variations in rythm, figures and styles to keep yourself interested
as a drummer?
No there really isn't. Especially after you've played the tunes as many times as Charlie has and when your personal tastes are not the Stones style of music. I think obligated is more applicable to Charlie's playing than interested. The few times he can stretch a bit on breakdowns and improvs are few and far between. I suspect Charlie is mostly bored to death playing the warhorses but it's his job, he's well paid and he isn't going to rock the boat.
That being said, Charlie has a style which is not that easy to replicate, it's simple but it can be different, especially the way he pulls the hi hat beat when he hits the snare.
peace
Great discussion. Thank you. I don't think a musician's interest in the music is necessarily all intellectual. Regardless of the structure of the song and how fascinating it is or isn't, a lot of musicians, including drummers, get their joy and stay interested simply from trying to find a way to help make this song as beautiful, catchy or exciting (or whatever) as it can be.
Sometimes, music that interests me intellectually doesn't engage me emotionally, and vice-versa, but maybe that's another topic.
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Blueranger
Charlie is not a great rock drummer by any means. Put him together with any musician and he would stand out as the weak link. As a jazz-drummer, he is average.
However, there is no question that he is the best Rolling Stones drummer in the world.
That said, I sometimes can get a little tired over the fan-hype "Charlie-is-cool-and-the-world's-best-drummer-because-he-is-looking-bored"-thing. Any other band would have fired him decades ago, with the attitude he has showed over the years.
But I like him and he is an important part of the sound of the band. That's as far as I can go.
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Great discussion. Thank you. I don't think a musician's interest in the music is necessarily all intellectual. Regardless of the structure of the song and how fascinating it is or isn't, a lot of musicians, including drummers, get their joy and stay interested simply from trying to find a way to help make this song as beautiful, catchy or exciting (or whatever) as it can be.
Sometimes, music that interests me intellectually doesn't engage me emotionally, and vice-versa, but maybe that's another topic.
Well said!
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Blueranger
Charlie is not a great rock drummer by any means. Put him together with any musician and he would stand out as the weak link. As a jazz-drummer, he is average.
However, there is no question that he is the best Rolling Stones drummer in the world.
That said, I sometimes can get a little tired over the fan-hype "Charlie-is-cool-and-the-world's-best-drummer-because-he-is-looking-bored"-thing. Any other band would have fired him decades ago, with the attitude he has showed over the years.
But I like him and he is an important part of the sound of the band. That's as far as I can go.
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1969Fan
Charlie is the prototype for an anti-rock & roll drummer. An uninformed person who sees him walking down the sidewalk may mistake him for an impeccably dressed symphony conductor or entrepreneur. Not a musician who, for over 50 years, has played drums for one of the most notorious musical groups in history. He is yet another signature element of what was, and has remained, the Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World.
I will go you one further: He is in no sense a rock & roll drummer, and has never considered himslef one. None of his influences are rock drummers (thank God), except perhaps (to a small degree) contemporaries like Ringo and Keith Moon. The Stones with a "normal" rock drummer would be the end of the Stones.
He's more influenced by Jim Keltner than by Keith Moon.
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Blueranger
Charlie is not a great rock drummer by any means. Put him together with any musician and he would stand out as the weak link. As a jazz-drummer, he is average.
However, there is no question that he is the best Rolling Stones drummer in the world.
That said, I sometimes can get a little tired over the fan-hype "Charlie-is-cool-and-the-world's-best-drummer-because-he-is-looking-bored"-thing. Any other band would have fired him decades ago, with the attitude he has showed over the years.
But I like him and he is an important part of the sound of the band. That's as far as I can go.
You have to give the Stones credit, I don't think any of them have ever claimed to be great musicians. Indeed, i
think Keith and Charlie are the most modest of all about their skills. They know as well as we do that the magic is with how they play together as a band, and the songs they wrote.
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1969Fan
Charlie is the prototype for an anti-rock & roll drummer. An uninformed person who sees him walking down the sidewalk may mistake him for an impeccably dressed symphony conductor or entrepreneur. Not a musician who, for over 50 years, has played drums for one of the most notorious musical groups in history. He is yet another signature element of what was, and has remained, the Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World.
I will go you one further: He is in no sense a rock & roll drummer, and has never considered himslef one. None of his influences are rock drummers (thank God), except perhaps (to a small degree) contemporaries like Ringo and Keith Moon. The Stones with a "normal" rock drummer would be the end of the Stones.
Ummm. Except that he plays pretty straight back beat rock and roll drums with a rock and roll band..pretty sure that makes him a rock and roll drummer. Plenty of rock drummers have jazz influences, John Bonham, Mitch Mitchell, Simon Phillips, Stewart Copeland Bill Bruford to name just a few.
But whatever you want to call him, he's pretty damn awesome and one of the reasons I keep attending Stones shows. Check him out here.
[www.youtube.com]
peace
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1969Fan
Charlie is the prototype for an anti-rock & roll drummer. An uninformed person who sees him walking down the sidewalk may mistake him for an impeccably dressed symphony conductor or entrepreneur. Not a musician who, for over 50 years, has played drums for one of the most notorious musical groups in history. He is yet another signature element of what was, and has remained, the Greatest Rock & Roll Band in the World.
I will go you one further: He is in no sense a rock & roll drummer, and has never considered himslef one. None of his influences are rock drummers (thank God), except perhaps (to a small degree) contemporaries like Ringo and Keith Moon. The Stones with a "normal" rock drummer would be the end of the Stones.
Ummm. Except that he plays pretty straight back beat rock and roll drums with a rock and roll band..pretty sure that makes him a rock and roll drummer. Plenty of rock drummers have jazz influences, John Bonham, Mitch Mitchell, Simon Phillips, Stewart Copeland Bill Bruford to name just a few.
But whatever you want to call him, he's pretty damn awesome and one of the reasons I keep attending Stones shows. Check him out here.
[www.youtube.com]
peace
Yes, he does play a rock beat, but it has nuances that are not straight rock (thankfully), and none of his formative influences were rock. This (combined with Bill's odd playing) gave the Stones a very different feel, even within what superficially is "rock" music.
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Charlie is not a great rock drummer by any means. Put him together with any musician and he would stand out as the weak link. As a jazz-drummer, he is average.
However, there is no question that he is the best Rolling Stones drummer in the world.
That said, I sometimes can get a little tired over the fan-hype "Charlie-is-cool-and-the-world's-best-drummer-because-he-is-looking-bored"-thing. Any other band would have fired him decades ago, with the attitude he has showed over the years.
But I like him and he is an important part of the sound of the band. That's as far as I can go.
You have to give the Stones credit, I don't think any of them have ever claimed to be great musicians. Indeed, i
think Keith and Charlie are the most modest of all about their skills. They know as well as we do that the magic is with how they play together as a band, and the songs they wrote.
If Keith Richards was really modest about his skills he wouldn't butcher his songs and the band would have split up in the early 70's.
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duke richardson
the great, modest, tasteful, soulful drummer is the main reason the Rolling Stones still exist..
he could have retired, like Bill Wyman, long ago, but he didn't.
Imagine if he'd upped and quit, feeling that the Stones had peaked, say in..1974..?
he is still getting on the plane, still going out to play the music, with his friends.
Thanks, Charlie.
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duke richardson
the great, modest, tasteful, soulful drummer is the main reason the Rolling Stones still exist..
he could have retired, like Bill Wyman, long ago, but he didn't.
Imagine if he'd upped and quit, feeling that the Stones had peaked, say in..1974..?
he is still getting on the plane, still going out to play the music, with his friends.
Thanks, Charlie.